The eyes are windows...

[Robert Monroe]

I don't even have to reply to that, you just proved my point. Also, since you're getting the mods involved, then you clearly have no lagitimate come back. We are done here.

I'm getting the mods involved? Judgemental much? I haven't proven any point. In fact, I don't even know what sort of point you are trying to prove. But go ahead. Throw in the towel, I give no shit, because my job is finished, and thats getting you to stop being a dick.

[Sabre]

In this post: "Waaaahhh I lost so I'm going to retreat feigning victory and blaming the moderation on my opponent, who CLEARLY called them in!"

Seriously Sabre.

If only that were true. I wouldn't say I was victorious. I'm right in the eyes of logic and science and I stand by that 100%, but I don't think I've helped anyone unless they simply haven't commented. Although given a mod contacted me by MSN to give me off the books warning to stop picking on robert and that I am automatically wrong in all things is not lagitimate moderation imo. It's trying to muscle me into silence which is definatly dodgy.

[Milkyway64]

If only that were true. I wouldn't say I was victorious. I'm right in the eyes of logic and science and I stand by that 100%, but I don't think I've helped anyone unless they simply haven't commented.

You've still yet to say anything or show anything at all proving you're right. You know what logic and science is? Objective information. Where IS it?

Although given a mod contacted me by MSN to give me off the books warning to stop picking on robert and that I am automatically wrong in all things is not lagitimate moderation imo. It's trying to muscle me into silence which is definatly dodgy.

Tell us a little more about this. It certainly doesn't sound good.

[Sabre]

I'm sick of repeating myself. Read this if you really care.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russell%27s_Teapot

and the garage dragon link for before.

Tell us a little more about this. It certainly doesn't sound good.

Not yet. I'm getting the opinion of someone more social and knowlagable on these matters. There's no point in kicking a hornets nest unless you have to.

[Robert Monroe]

Sabre, you're points on logic hold little water because you can not seem to comprehend the difference between an accepted philosophy and making up strawmen. And you have not given ANY scientific support for your claims at all.

[Milkyway64]

I'm sick of repeating myself. Read this if you really care.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russell%27s_Teapot

and the garage dragon link for before.

I already have read them, and they are still by no means any backup to your claims, only that you don't have to prove it. However, you keep using strong words like "logic" and "science" to say you are right, so if that's really true, you should have evidence that isn't counter-philosophy.

Not yet. I'm getting the opinion of someone more social and knowlagable on these matters. There's no point in kicking a hornets nest unless you have to.

Pfft. Well then.

[Sabre]

I already have read them, and they are still by no means any backup to your claims, only that you don't have to prove it. However, you keep using strong words like "logic" and "science" to say you are right, so if that's really true, you should have evidence that isn't counter-philosophy.

That's the point. It is impossable to prove because they will keep making excuses. As such, since they are making the claim that the soul exsists, it is up to them to prove it. You don't arrest someone and lock them in prison until they prove they didn't do it, and what proof they do provide is hand waved away as not counting. That is not how science works. You make a claim, you test that claim, you show your results.

Let's apply this to the soul argument.

Claim- Every living creature has a soul that is invisable, but can be 'senced'.

Test- Detect it using the various tools that go beyond human sences. Over the years, we have exhaused every method.

Result- Nothing. Therefore the soul doesn't exsist.

That's it. There is nothing more we can do. If the soul exsists it's up to the people making a claim to prove it. Give me that. That's it. That's all it takes. Even if it's not great I will accept that it's at least possable.

["User"]

I don't even have to reply to that, you just proved my point. Also, since you're getting the mods involved, then you clearly have no lagitimate come back. We are done here.

Um...okay?  He didn't get any mods involved.  Stop sprouting shit you know nothing about.

If only that were true. I wouldn't say I was victorious. I'm right in the eyes of logic and science and I stand by that 100%, but I don't think I've helped anyone unless they simply haven't commented. Although given a mod contacted me by MSN to give me off the books warning to stop picking on robert and that I am automatically wrong in all things is not lagitimate moderation imo. It's trying to muscle me into silence which is definatly dodgy.

What in the flying f*ck are you talking about?  That is not all of what I said and once you again you hear only what you want to hear.  For the record this is what I said to you via msn after I posted telling you and Robert to play nice:

"User" says:

What I meant by following the rules was don't risk doing anything that would cause you to step out of line. I should have phrased that better in my post.

"User" says:

Anyways I more or less told both you and Robert to lay off to an extent and make sure that the argument is "productive" and not "repetitive", which is rule 3 lol

"User" says:

and not just for same arguments, but for same train of logic as well.

"User" says:

Anyways, you may continue your debate.

YOU then replied with:

Bradley says:

You are wrong, completly.

I then followed with being slightly sarcastic:

"User" said:

Expected result is expected from you

You're right and everyone else is wrong...

I then had to leave the house because I meeting up with 4 other people at a friends trailer and couldn't spend anymore time on this matter.

First off you will NOT post a partial truth of our chat log and make me out to be a "bad guy" when you didn't take into consideration the posts I made in this thread.  Secondly, there is not one person in this thread who is backing up your opinions and it's YOU who simply does not get it.  You have been arrogant, extremely opinionated, and ironically claiming things of people that you yourself are clearly guilty of - so you're a hypocrite as well.  Thirdly, I tried to escape for the evening at an all night event and when people are sending me PM's and text messages on my Blackberry telling me that you are acting up and being a drama whore it kind of pisses me off.

This topic has gotten nowhere, neither side will obviously back down (given the people involved) and since my prior postings about playing nice were ignored I'm going to lock this topic.  Good job guys.