Lies and misinformation.

[Kursed]

with the democrates in power and a couple things my dad had said about certain people it's come to my attention that someone has a very effective way of using Lies and misinformation. Your thoughts?

[Guest Julius Quasar]

with the democrates in power and a couple things my dad had said about certain people it's come to my attention that someone has a very effective way of using Lies and misinformation. Your thoughts?

Totally agree.  Both parties lie and spread misinformation.  Most politicians are scum nowadays. 

[EazyIN]

Which sometimes make me wish Bush was still president...

[Kursed]

Unfortunaly he can't be presidents have a maximium of terms to run they can no longer run any more terms than 2 thanks to theradore rosevelt who was the last president to serve more than 2 terms.

[EazyIN]

Unfortunaly he can't be presidents have a maximium of terms to run they can no longer run any more terms than 2 thanks to theradore rosevelt who was the last president to serve more than 2 terms.

I already knew that... >_>

But, 'McPain' wouldn't have done any better than osama Obama

[Kursed]

And I have to ask how do you know that?

["User"]

with the democrates in power and a couple things my dad had said about certain people it's come to my attention that someone has a very effective way of using Lies and misinformation. Your thoughts?

Politicians lie to get elected/reelected, if they told the truth as it was no one would vote for them.

Totally agree.  Both parties lie and spread misinformation.  Most politicians are scum nowadays. 

There needs to be more then two main political parties in the states.  Canada for example has 5 of them and each one gets at least 10% popular support every year.  American's should not have to deal with the "lesser of two evils."  Makes me wish libertarians were more popular as a whole.

[Sabre]

Im of the opinion that they are all corrupt, or at very least all so similar to make it pointless. They try all these different schemes to increase the turnout, but the core problem is that there is no one to vote for.

[fox1235]

Politicians lie to get elected/reelected, if they told the truth as it was no one would vote for them.

There needs to be more then two main political parties in the states.  Canada for example has 5 of them and each one gets at least 10% popular support every year.  American's should not have to deal with the "lesser of two evils."  Makes me wish libertarians were more popular as a whole.

We have more, its just that no one cares for them and ignores them.

["User"]

We have more, its just that no one cares for them and ignores them.

I know you guys have more but yeah...it sucks they aren't getting nearly enough attention these days.  Just another thing wrong with American politics as a whole - it's very difficult for someone who isn't pro left or right winged to make it.

[Kursed]

I know you guys have more but yeah...it sucks they aren't getting nearly enough attention these days.  Just another thing wrong with American politics as a whole - it's very difficult for someone who isn't pro left or right winged to make it.

it's all over simplified.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I already knew that... >_>

But, 'McPain' wouldn't have done any better than osama Obama

heh heh...good one.  yeah I agree.

["User"]

They should just...kick everyone out of Congress and the Senate and start from scratch heh.

[Kursed]

They should just...kick everyone out of Congress and the Senate and start from scratch heh.

wish that would happen.

[EazyIN]

And I have to ask how do you know that?

History class maybe? >_>

["User"]

History class maybe? >_>

I'm sure Kursed was referring to your 'McPain' comment and not the two term thing.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

They should just...kick everyone out of Congress and the Senate and start from scratch heh.

I been saying that for years!

["User"]

I been saying that for years!

And reform the Senate to give more seats to states with a bigger population.  No reason why each state should get two.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

And reform the Senate to give more seats to states with a bigger population.  No reason why each state should get two.

What do we even need the senate for anymore?  Do these chumps even do anything anymore, except collect their big assed paychecks and make us miserable?

[DZComposer]

While lies and misinformation come from both sides, there is quite a lot coming from, the right lately.

The whole "mosque" controversy is a prime example. It's a Sufi community center. People claim that it is an Al-Qaeda "Victory Mosque," but in reality it is not. Al-Qaeda are Sunni. Al-Qaeda has bombed many Sufi sites over the years, considering them to be just as much of infidels as non-muslims.

There is also the whole "Obama isn't an American" thing. The state of Hawaii has shown his birth certificate so many times that they had to pass a law to allow them to not have to process all of the requests for it. The courts have also laughed this out of court.

Then, there is "Obama is Muslim." That's funny, because these same people where criticizing him for being a member of Jeremiah Wright's Christian church because of Wright's unflattering words about the treatment of blacks in today's society.

And then there are Republicans who will decry that the stimulus bill didn't create any jobs, and then return home and attend a groundbreaking or ribbon-cutting ceremony for a project funded by that money, while talking up the jobs said-project brought to his/her constituency, giving themselves credit for "bringing the money in" when they rally against the very bill that funded it. Now that's just straight-up hypocrisy. :facepalm:

["User"]

While lies and misinformation come from both sides, there is quite a lot coming from, the right lately.

I'll have to agree, but it depends on who's in power. In Canada for example all the other political parties gain up on the current government, same goes for any front runners in any campaign at all levels of government.

The whole "mosque" controversy is a prime example. It's a Sufi community center. People claim that it is an Al-Qaeda "Victory Mosque," but in reality it is not. Al-Qaeda are Sunni. Al-Qaeda has bombed many Sufi sites over the years, considering them to be just as much of infidels as non-muslims.

I consider Sufism to be "old school Islam".

There is also the whole "Obama isn't an American" thing. The state of Hawaii has shown his birth certificate so many times that they had to pass a law to allow them to not have to process all of the requests for it. The courts have also laughed this out of court.

Lol yeah, I had fun following that.

And then there are Republicans who will decry that the stimulus bill didn't create any jobs, and then return home and attend a groundbreaking or ribbon-cutting ceremony for a project funded by that money, while talking up the jobs said-project brought to his/her constituency, giving themselves credit for "bringing the money in" when they rally against the very bill that funded it. Now that's just straight-up hypocrisy.

To be fair though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was passed in February of that year, shortly after Obama took power.  The national unemployment rate was 8.9% at that time.  Fast forward to July 2010 and it's at 9.5%.  It actually shot up to 10.6% in January of this year, then went back down to 9.3% and recently creeped back up to 9.5 which is where the country stands now.  I don't see that much improve in job creation and coupled with vastly increasing the country's debt while seeing little ROI (so far) I have mixed feelings on it.   Ontario is going through somewhat of the same thing and the liberals in power don't want to cut services and stop their gravy train even with their record deficit.  There are always going to be questions at how much "spending to get out of debt" is acceptable given the circumstances.

What I want to know is why most every developed country on Earth is already well on their way out of this recession if not out of it completely except America. Canada for example is America's biggest trading partner and vice versa and we are already well out of this recession and the only thing that is holding us back from extending our lead among the fastest economically growing G8 countries is lack of growth in America lol.

Also, there's a general rule of thumb among economists that you need two consecutive quarters of positive GDP growth to be out of a recession.

[Kursed]

And reform the Senate to give more seats to states with a bigger population.  No reason why each state should get two.

That's the house.... and that would make  congress even more corrupt as now with your saying the senate would favor the larger states.

["User"]

That's the house.... and that would make  congress even more corrupt as now with your saying the senate would favor the larger states.

It's called representation by population for a reason...

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Here's a serious Lie and Misinformation:

Equal Opportunity Employment. 

Out here in Cali it's anything but equal, let alone an opportunity.  Nepotism and discrimination of all kinds are prevalent here.

[Sarita]

It's called representation by population for a reason...

What Kursed means is that our House of Representatives is based on population. We have a bipartisan Congress, of that I'm sure you're aware. The reason Congress is like that is to please both the large states (the House), and the smaller states (the Senate).

Seems reasonable to me. :P