Not Sure

[Ris Grestar]

Alright, so here it goes.

First things first.  I want to say to the moderation team that you know how I feel about you.  If you don't, then you haven't dealt with me yet.  My general view on positions of power is a bad one, and I'll give my reasons as to why below.

For most people, my first opinion of them is a neutral one.  If they do something good, I view them as good people.  If they do something bad, I view them as bad people.  You know, they either work to earn or lose my respect, and, of course, they can move from being good to being bad and vice versa.

With moderation teams, I figure that they were put in the positions that they're in because they're known to be good people.  However, from past experiences (not just on SF-O) I've known them to be stuck-up and snobbish.  It just always seems to happen, like positions of power at school and such.  In their cases, I view them as bad--and not horribly so, mind you--because I figure if they were brought to their positions as they should have been, for being good and helpful to the community and all, that they should easily be able to earn my respect and change my view of them to a good one.  I mean, even if I feel a way about someone or a particular group of people, I try to treat them the same and give them the same chances as I do for others, so it wasn't like I was trying to ever egg on any of the staff members to try to make them slip up and lose my respect.

Also, I want to add here that I respect the staff members of SF-O in the sense that I'm grateful they take the time to run this forum.  I wouldn't be able to do it, I know that, so I respect the fact that they do.  I don't always agree with their methods, however, and if something really stands out I try to make note of it.

That hasn't always worked out in the best way for me, and I'll admit that I'm kinda one to hold grudges.  I'm not at all saying this is a good thing, but I know it's true about me.

Anyway, with a fairly recent event I promised to start off on a clean slate and give them, the staff, another chance.  I did.  Then yesterday the Hotel incident sparked that flame of hatred within me again.  It seemed like all the staff ever did was crack down on the stupidest of things and then justify their actions with something just as stupid.

And being perfectly honest, I hate when the staff adds a smiley face thinking it makes everything better.  Bugs me.  Really badly.

Now, this thread isn't supposed to make anyone apologize to me or anything.  I don't want that.  I'm just in one of those moods where I can't seem to make any decisions and I have to type a lot, so please, bear with me.  Or I guess you don't have to read this, either one works.

But anyway, I said that whole chunk above was part one, so I guess this is part two.  It'll most likely be shorter, but I can't say for sure.  Again, I'm just in one of those moods after a stressful night.

I'd like to apologize.  I still feel the same way towards the moderation team and last night's situation, but I still shouldn't have handled it the way that I did.  I like keeping a cool head, staying calm, and helping to make things better.  Last night, however, as soon as the situation began I just kinda snapped.  I didn't really try to make anything better.  All I did was leave sarcastic remarks on the thread until I realized how much I had failed myself in doing so.  So with that in mind, I'm sorry.  Sorry to the moderation team, my friends, those whom I may have offended, and I'll even be cheesy enough to say myself.  I'll try to handle things better in the future, and I do hope that both the staff and regular board members work with me when our interaction comes about.

So there's my thread.  Not sure what to call it, whether an apology letter or a rant.  It's kinda both, I guess, and maybe there's a more suitable term for it but nothing's coming to mind.  Either way, if didn't read it, you won't be reading this line either so I have nothing to say at the moment concerning you.  If you did read it through, thanks for your time.

[Milkyway64]

What did they even do last night? They shut down a few topics only to have them reborn again as they should have been. Looks like a win/win to me.

As for the other instance, I have no comment to make.

[Kid_Cortet]

What did they even do last night? They shut down a few topics only to have them reborn again as they should have been. Looks like a win/win to me.

As for the other instance, I have no comment to make.

The thing is he had issues with those in power because his experience with those in power has never been a good one. And the sudden shock of the RPs being locked was got a lot of us to rant about it.

[Scott7]

Looks like a win/win to me.

Exact oppisite...

Anyway, with a fairly recent event I promised to start off on a clean slate and give them, the staff, another chance.  I did.  Then yesterday the Hotel incident sparked that flame of hatred within me again.  It seemed like all the staff ever did was crack down on the stupidest of things and then justify their actions with something just as stupid.

I like keeping a cool head, staying calm, and helping to make things better.  Last night, however, as soon as the situation began I just kinda snapped.

Ditto...

[Kid_Cortet]

Exact oppisite...

here is the thing....the hotel was made loooong ago....So I think a change was needed....only thing I can say against DZ...would be a little warning might have softened the blow...but then again, he made the right choice  (those of the hotel rp are actually communicating on how the future one will be set up. somewhat forcing us to implement the rules)

[Steve]

I simply can't see how the staff went wrong on this one, oh well  . Like Milky said, at the end it was a win/win situation.

Everyone have different opinions about the subject, specially those extremely focused on RP here. Like DZ said, we're just trying to do the right thing, and for what I read, an agreement was reached.

[Fluxy]

They shut down a few topics only to have them reborn again as they should have been. Looks like a win/win to me.

Now, you have to remember, to -you- it looks like a win/win. Everyone has their own opinions.

[Scott7]

here is the thing....the hotel was made loooong ago....So I think a change was needed....only thing I can say against DZ...would be a little warning might have softened the blow...but then again, he made the right choice  (those of the hotel rp are actually communicating on how the future one will be set up. somewhat forcing us to implement the rules)

what comes afterwords does not matter. Both sides took heavy loss's on Reputation, Good impressions, and Trust. and the New Implemented rules are not going to change any of that. (if not, make things worse)

[Kid_Cortet]

I simply can't see how the staff went wrong on this one, oh well  . Like Milky said, at the end it was a win/win situation.

Everyone have different opinions about the subject, specially those extremely focused on RP here. Like DZ said, we're just trying to do the right thing, and for what I read, an agreement was reached.

it was...and things are getting better

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what comes afterwords does not matter. Both sides took heavy loss's on Reputation, Good impressions, and Trust. and the New Implemented rules are not going to change any of that. (if not, make things worse)

How can it be worse when if all we do is follow a few new rules....all DZ was basically asking for was that the rules that were already in place be stepped up and a few more in place...I see now problem with a GM to help things along.....and an outside source is not a bad idea....

[Fluxy]

i hate to say it Nick....but he is right....it is forcing us to start our own thing...and put certain rules into place so that a Lock does not happen again...Like the GM rule.

1st of all] Don't hate to say it.

2nd of all] Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. The statement was an opinion. What is actually right and wrong can easily vary to peoples mental state and such. And I didn't even say whether I disagreed or not; don't know why you aimed this at me. =/

[Milkyway64]

I love how everyone just says it WAS a bad move without explaining anything. Objectively, or from the perspective that treats everyone fairly, this WAS the best outcome possible. I understand that some people may be upset about the Hotel, but a new one is being made, and BETTER. Those of you who disagree can go look at all the people who had problems with it, I have many personal accounts of people saying they didn't like it/left because it went to hell. And for the record, DZ DID warn you. As a matter of fact, it's right there in the discussion topic. If anything this proves just how disconnected and structureless the RP was, if nobody can even bother to read anything pertaining to it.

Anyhow, it still looks like most everyone except one or two people are still upset. Again, it looks to be like a win/win to everyone except these few. We needed change. The Hotel overlived it's life. A new beginning is in order, if for nothing else then to keep things FRESH.

[Kid_Cortet]

1st of all] Don't hate to say it.

2nd of all] Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. The statement was an opinion. What is actually right and wrong can easily vary to peoples mental state and such. And I didn't even say whether I disagreed or not; don't know why you aimed this at me. =/

I read it wrong....I apologize :(

[Scott7]

And for the record, DZ DID warn you. As a matter of fact, it's right there in the discussion topic.

Which happened a WEEK Before They were locked, and there wasn't been a single problem that wasn't quickly between that time period.

[Milkyway64]

Which happened a WEEK Before They were locked, and there wasn't been a single problem that wasn't quickly between that time period.

So you admit that you indeed see and heed the heads-up.

[Kid_Cortet]

Which happened a WEEK Before They were locked, and there wasn't been a single problem that wasn't quickly between that time period.

So you admit that you indeed see and heed the heads-up.

the reason ( As I saw it): DZ noticed the argument happening in that discussion, and felt it needed to be locked, whether or not there was an actual problem in the rp does not matter...there was a problem with it being open in the first place and what it was about, and it was causing an outbreak.

[Milkyway64]

the reason ( As I saw it): DZ noticed the argument happening in that discussion, and felt it needed to be locked, whether or not there was an actual problem in the rp does not matter...there was a problem with it being open in the first place and what it was about, and it was causing an outbreak.

Incorrect. The argument in there was about the rules and how the place was run. The actual RP was a very big problem, not only in people sending complaints, but in them being allowed to slip the rules. He stated it was over, and then later allowed us to start anew, which we are doing. It's shaping up wonderfully, surpassing the Hotel in structure and player involvement/fairness.

[DZComposer]

I'm a bit peeved that no one had a problem with rules that had been in plain view on the board for over a year until I said that they will be enforced, which they should have been from the beginning. The fact that they weren't is a staff failure, but correcting it was not. You guys knew the rules.

Also, I am offended at being called "stuck-up and snobbish." I've been on boards where the admins were like that, and I vowed that it would never happen on anything I run. Since Mr. K and I took over SFO, we have banned maybe 5 people that weren't spambots or obvious trolls, and it was only after repeated attempts to get them to follow the rules. We like to give people a chance. A few of the posts made the past couple of days would have gotten people banned on many of the forums I have been on, but I will NEVER ban someone because they have a disagreement with me. I also let the community have some input on the RP restructuring. Hell, I'm always open to suggestions. Have we been perfect? Of course not. It is also impossible to please everybody But we try our best. If that's not good enough, then I'm sorry.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Ris, I agree with you, in many of those factors.  There's definitely, at the very least, a grain of truth to what you're saying.

[Ris Grestar]

DZ, I'm not trying to rally any forces against you or anything, but I wanted to state my various opinions.