Is it worse to be cynical or jaded?

[Sabre]

What if they aren't stupid or ignorant? I agree that this shouldn't turn into a cryptography thread, but unless you can provide definitive proof that it's BS, then there is a possibility that there's some truth to it. If there's a possibility of truth, then there's nothing wrong with believing in it.

The problem there is that it's a personal belief that discriminates. It's no different then only hiring christians, or not hiring blacks. Only this time it's handwriting. Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. I've used the example in the past of "the dragon in my garage", or a more realistic example, a person I met claimed to have a perpetual motion powered lawn mower.

I do believe Konchaski here means that being cynical might apply to "magical thinking," but more often it will apply to your relations with other people and other such things, meaning that you're focusing on only one aspect of the argument.

Still doesn't make sence.

I'm pretty sure it was explained well enough in this post.

I don't get it. It's harmful because they make mistakes sometimes?

That I agree with, but just because you're idealistic and optimistic doesn't mean you want to create changes too. I don't accept things as just a part of life, I believe I can motivate some people to change. Cynics are just easily able to fall into "That's just the way things are" as well, in fact I know a lot more cynics that say than idealists. However, on the otherhand of the coin, idealists can get comfortable and satisfied with their thinking while cynics may get so fed up they want to create changes because they are so pissed off. So both sides are capable of action and it's not fair to give credit to either view.

Fair enough. I gave up on love for example, although there were various other factors in the decision. Also optimists have a "can do" attitude.

[Xortberg]

The problem there is that it's a personal belief that discriminates. It's no different then only hiring christians, or not hiring blacks. Only this time it's handwriting. Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. I've used the example in the past of "the dragon in my garage", or a more realistic example, a person I met claimed to have a perpetual motion powered lawn mower.

I can easily disprove the existence of a dragon in your garage, though. I simply have to enter your garage.

Still doesn't make sence.

I have no idea how to make it any plainer.

I don't get it. It's harmful because they make mistakes sometimes?

Yes, in the same sense that being overly optimistic can be harmful. Cynicism is an extreme point of view. Healthy skepticism is fine. Cynicism is just going to make you look like an ass.

Fair enough. I gave up on love for example, although there were various other factors in the decision. Also optimists have a "can do" attitude.

Not always. In being optomistic, I could be content in the way things are by looking at the positive in each situation. Since I would be content, I would desire no change. In the same vein, a cynic could either want change in order to right what s/he views as wrong or figure that it's just not worth it to try, since s/he probably wouldn't be able to change much.

The same problem lies in both extreme optimism and extreme skepticism. Ideally, one would find a middle point and not reside on the far end of either spectrum.

[Sabre]

I can easily disprove the existence of a dragon in your garage, though. I simply have to enter your garage.

Ah. I see you don't remember it. Long story short, it's an example of burden of proof and special pleading. "Why can't I see it"

"It's invisable"

"So I'll put flower on the floor and see it's footprints"

"It floats"

ect.

Also, I was agreeing with Konchaski because her argument made sence.

[Vulvokunvrii]

...Jaded....mabye becasue at least you some experience...just dont be mean when you want to say "told you so"

[Sabre]

Impossable, the simple act of saying that is enough to annoy everyone.

[Vulvokunvrii]

well i mean liek if they are curious about something and you already know about it, you can just say, see i told you (in a nice gentlmanly tone, not a mean one)