Greatist millitary unit of all (pregun powder) time

[Guest Para Astaroth]

Vikings.  'Nuff said.

[Robert Monroe]

Are you sure about that? I mean the Mongols had basically all of Asia under their grasp back then.

Britain owned more land as a whole all across the world.

But the Mongols, exactly, didn't use gunpowder. The British, on the oth'r hand, often archieved victor' over the'r enemi's due to the fact that they were the only on's with guns on the battlef'eld.

And many land wasn't even conquered by them. They were given as 'peace conditions' from other european nations.

That's still conquered in my book. Military might is but one face of making an empire. And whats more, Britain kept its empire under better control than the Mongols. But this is about military might alone, so that's all moot inb4BritishNavy

Vikings.  'Nuff said.

The vikings weren't even a military power.

[fox1235]

But the Mongols, exactly, didn't use gunpowder. The British, on the oth'r hand, often archieved victor' over the'r enemi's due to the fact that they were the only on's with guns on the battlef'eld.

And many land wasn't even conquered by them. They were given as 'peace conditions' from other european nations.

I was talking about the Mongols when I said the biggest country ever to be forged without guns.

Also the British Empire at one point controlled a quarter of the world and had territory on every contient, including Antarctica.

[Guest SCoatiH]

I was talking about the Mongols when I said the biggest country ever to be forged without guns.

Ok, sorry.

Also the British Empire at one point controlled a quarter of the world and had territory on every contient, including Antarctica.

That's true, but as I said most of thos' terrytori's weren't even colonized by them. Canada, India... were once part o' France colonies.

Britain owned more land as a whole all across the world.

Yo' right, but this is 'bout the one who didn't use gunpowder.

That's still conquered in my book. Military might is but one face of making an empire. And whats more, Britain kept its empire under better control than the Mongols. But this is about military might alone, so that's all moot inb4BritishNavy

Not in mine's. 'Cause conquest is sending yer guys and taking over a place. The Brits, and I sa'd, gain'd many colonies by peace agreements with other Europants. They didn't even send merchants or soldi'rs until much later to those places.

alsotheirnavycouldn'tsavetheirarsesintheFrenchwaragainstJoanD'Arc

[Robert Monroe]

Ok, sorry.That's true, but as I said most of thos' terrytori's weren't even colonized by them. Canada, India... were once part o' France colonies.Yo' right, but this is 'bout the one who didn't use gunpowder.Not in mine's. 'Cause conquest is sending yer guys and taking over a place. The Brits, and I sa'd, gain'd many colonies by peace agreements with other Europants. They didn't even send merchants or soldi'rs until much later to those places.

alsotheirnavycouldn'tsavetheirarsesintheFrenchwaragainstJoanD'Arc

Conquered means you win, they lose, and you're in control. Political conquest is every bit as viable (and often much more reliable) than physical conquest. Why do you think the other European powers gave shit to Britain? Because they didn't want Britain to wreck their shit up. They had the largest foot army and strongest navy of their time, and probably could have gone to war with the entire world and won if they really wanted too.

Also the British empire didn't exist in the 100 years war, and further more the British navy wasn't a superpower at the time because this was before they conquered the Spanish Armada and took the title from -them-. lrn2history.

anditsadamnshameJoanofArccouldn'tsaveherselffromherownfuckwitcountry

[The Shaper]

Well it's a tough stretch but I'm sticking with the Mongols on this one.

[Robert Monroe]

Well it's a tough stretch but I'm sticking with the Mongols on this one.

Its prepowder anyway, so the British Empire wouldn't qualify.

[Guest SCoatiH]

Conquered means you win, they lose, and you're in control. Political conquest is every bit as viable (and often much more reliable) than physical conquest. Why do you think the other European powers gave shit to Britain? Because they didn't want Britain to wreck their shit up. They had the largest foot army and strongest navy of their time, and probably could have gone to war with the entire world and won if they really wanted too.

Not ex'ctly. If you take colonies, that's not conquest. That's more like trade. "Peace for land." we coulda say. Conquest is coming with guns 'n cannons (or swords 'n catapults) and leveling the enemy fortresses if necesary. And there's no trade. You take, they don't give.

Also the British empire didn't exist in the 100 years war, and further more the British navy wasn't a superpower at the time because this was before they conquered the Spanish Armada and took the title from -them-.

Yo, but England was allways better at the sea.

Pure logic man. Island nation = surrounded by water = you get'cha better at ships o' die.

anditsadamnshameJoanofArccouldn'tsaveherselffromherownfuckwitcountry

Yo' right on that man. That frenchi king was a fat-ass.

[Robert Monroe]

Not ex'ctly. If you take colonies, that's not conquest. That's more like trade. "Peace for land." we coulda say. Conquest is coming with guns 'n cannons (or swords 'n catapults) and leveling the enemy fortresses if necesary. And there's no trade. You take, they don't give.Yo, but England was allways better at the sea.

Pure logic man. Island nation = surrounded by water = you get'cha better at ships o' die.

Yo' right on that man. That frenchi king was a fat-ass.

The definition of conquest:

1: the act or process of conquering

2a : something conquered; especially : territory appropriated in war b : a person whose favor or hand has been won

It is both war and favor. Different sides of the same coin.

And Britain didn't utilize a good navy until King Richard III and King John, and even then it wasn't -spectacular- compared to the other naval powers (Spain, Venice, Genoa).

Also do you have to type like that it is seriously annoying.

[Guest SCoatiH]

Also do you have to type like that it is seriously annoying.

Yo' right, it's annoyin' but me likes it. :trollface:

[The Shaper]

Yo' right, it's annoyin' but me likes it.

I would advise you to immediately stop trying to argue with Robert. It's not a good idea.

[Guest SCoatiH]

I would advise you to immediately stop trying to argue with Robert. It's not a good idea.

yo, imma argues with himsel'. There's no way 'round that.

[The Shaper]

yo, imma argues with himsel'. There's no way 'round that.

I don't know what you just said.

[King of the Shrooms]

the great roman empire!!!!!!!!of the old ages

[Guest SCoatiH]

I don't know what you just said.

A joke, in which I argue with even myself about that.

An' it isn't going ta' chang'.

[sniper]

either the spartans or the teutonic knights.  let's face it... the spartans were pretty much the coolest dudes ever  :lol:

[ballisticwaffles]

either the spartans or the teutonic knights.  let's face it... the spartans were pretty much the coolest dudes ever 

Besides the fact that at a young age they were expected to form a paedophilic relation ship with another man, routinly slaughtered innocents and were xenophobic child slaughtering jerkwads?

[Thu'um]

Also do you have to type like that it is seriously annoying.

I like it!  Defentaly...now don't argu couse you'll loose. The papel states! The could bring down THE HAMMER ON YOU.

[Conall Drest]

English Longbowmen hands down. They managed to defeat a force that was both better equipped and outnumbered them. The finest French knights actually had trouble taking them down, even though the French won in the end the English managed to be quite a thorn in their side, and I believe with equal numbers the English would have won the Hundred years war.

[Thu'um]

well..i thought the british were kicking ass for the first 90 years. then it went down hill...

[Robert Monroe]

I like it!  Defentaly...now don't argu couse you'll loose. The papel states! The could bring down THE HAMMER ON YOU.

The Papal states weren't even a military power, they hired mercenaries.

[Guest SCoatiH]

English Longbowmen hands down. They managed to defeat a force that was both better equipped and outnumbered them. The finest French knights actually had trouble taking them down, even though the French won in the end the English managed to be quite a thorn in their side, and I believe with equal numbers the English would have won the Hundred years war.

It wasn't about numbers alone. If we go by fact, actually the numbers were quite fair. The thing was the 'unity' of the nation's involv'd in da war. At the feudal time, both nations depended largely on armies maintained by lords, and we know how hard to keep a united nation und'r these situations is. This is also when Joan'D'Arc kicks in; by uniting the French people, giving them a common caus', their organization was better than the English at the time.

[Robert Monroe]

It wasn't about numbers alone. If we go by fact, actually the numbers were quite fair. The thing was the 'unity' of the nation's involv'd in da war. At the feudal time, both nations depended largely on armies maintained by lords, and we know how hard to keep a united nation und'r these situations is. This is also when Joan'D'Arc kicks in; by uniting the French people, giving them a common caus', their organization was better than the English at the time.

Perhaps, but several times the English managed to win against the odds, often at a disadvantage.

Not to mention Joan's unifying call didn't last very long.

[Guest SCoatiH]

Perhaps, but several times the English managed to win against the odds, often at a disadvantage.

Not to mention Joan's unifying call didn't last very long.

Yo, that's true.

But still, that was da first time someone tried to create some sense of national unity.

[Robert Monroe]

Yo, that's true.

But still, that was da first time someone tried to create some sense of national unity.

Not..... really. At all. There's been tons of national identity before that.