why do you hate kursed? (fans beware!)

[Robert Monroe]

I can agree with that. A canon "Kursed" game would be cool, though. One specifically about her, one that's more dark and violent (C'mon! BLOOD!). And, since it could be separate from StarFox itself, it would satisfy both the Krystal/Kursed haters and the Krystal/Kursed lovers.

Grimdark does not belong in Starfox. Blood does not belong in Starfox. If you want a stupidly violent game, go play Fallout, or GTA, or Resident Evil, or Team Fortress 2.

This notion that "dark is better" is bullcrap.

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

This notion that "dark is better" is bullcrap.

I do agree with what you are saying there Rob, but the point I think they are trying to get across is that a "darker" SF game would at least get rid of some of those people who complain that it (or pretty much all nintendo games) is a "kiddie" game.

That's what really makes my blood boil. I just can't stand it when someone complains about a lack of blood and they jump to the conclusion that the game is meant for children. I'm sorry, but in terms of realism, blood flying out of someone's neck like a fountain is overly exagerated, and I don't know why this attracts more gamers. What ever happened to just plain old extreme explosions??? Is it absolutely necessary for someone to be playing a video game and have to sit there watching someone bleed out a F-ing pool of blood? Seriously, go back to the old days where they just collapsed.

[Thu'um]

I like the fact that star fox games arn't littered with swearing, and painted with blood.

[Robert Monroe]

I do agree with what you are saying there Rob, but the point I think they are trying to get across is that a "darker" SF game would at least get rid of some of those people who complain that it (or pretty much all nintendo games) is a "kiddie" game.

That's what really makes my blood boil. I just can't stand it when someone complains about a lack of blood and they jump to the conclusion that the game is meant for children. I'm sorry, but in terms of realism, blood flying out of someone's neck like a fountain is overly exagerated, and I don't know why this attracts more gamers. What ever happened to just plain old extreme explosions??? Is it absolutely necessary for someone to be playing a video game and have to sit there watching someone bleed out a F-ing pool of blood? Seriously, go back to the old days where they just collapsed.

You will never, EVER win over the "boo kiddie game" crowd. They have made up their minds on superficial judgements about a game, opting to dislike it for being family friendly. The Legend of Zelda shows this off more than any other franchise: the games since Majora's Mask have been dark, epc adventures while still maintaining child accessibility.Wind Waker was a tragedy of a story detailing the fall of a blessed kingdom, but noone gives two damns for that because of the "kiddie" art style that in practice actually accentuates the mood. Beyond that, the core gameplay is just as good as you'd expect from Zelda, but the grimdark wanters won't even touch it.

[LoneWolf]

I didn't mean a bloody mess like Resident Evil, or Half-Life. I meant something more along the lines of Metroid Prime. Kursed in a Metroid Prime-esque game would be pretty awesome. I wouldn't mind a few curses either, a few "Damn"s and "Hell"s would probably add to the series. I also meant more on-foot missions, like Assault (Except less crappy).

Think Star Wars Episode III.

I also meant Kursed could go off to become it's own franchise, set in the StarFox universe, but not directly related to the regular StarFox games, which would have the same clean-ness as the older ones.

This notion that "dark is better" is bullcrap.

Opinion.

[Milkyway64]

I also meant Kursed could go off to become it's own franchise, set in the StarFox universe, but not directly related to the regular StarFox games, which would have the same clean-ness as the older ones.

Kursed has a picture and 2 lines of description. Why does this deserve it's own spinoff? And since it's basically Shadow the Hedgehog to StarFox, it has a high probability of freakin' blowing. (even worse than the recent main entries)

Also, Prime was SUPPOSED to be dark because Metroid has always been one of Nintie's darker franchises. (Crocomire's FLESH MELTING ON CAMERA) Starfox, on the otherhand, was always bright and goofy. Introducing a "dark" version would just be weird, and if it retains the same horrible writing it's had so far, it'd be very much narm.

[Hatsworth III]

Kursed has a picture and 2 lines of description. Why does this deserve it's own spinoff? And since it's basically Shadow the Hedgehog to StarFox, it has a high probability of freakin' blowing. (even worse than the recent main entries)

Also, Prime was SUPPOSED to be dark because Metroid has always been one of Nintie's darker franchises. (Crocomire's FLESH MELTING ON CAMERA) Starfox, on the otherhand, was always bright and goofy. Introducing a "dark" version would just be weird, and if it retains the same horrible writing it's had so far, it'd be very much narm.

so true.

[Samantha Weltzin]

Also, Prime was SUPPOSED to be dark because Metroid has always been one of Nintie's darker franchises. (Crocomire's FLESH MELTING ON CAMERA) Starfox, on the otherhand, was always bright and goofy. Introducing a "dark" version would just be weird, and if it retains the same horrible writing it's had so far, it'd be very much narm.

To be fair, there are some dark elements to the StarFox franchise. Fox's dad was betrayed and may be dead. Krystal's entire homeworld was destroyed. Pigma was assimilated by the Borg...er...Aparoids, and turned into a hideous monster that was then killed, and the remnants of his soul were placed into some weird cube puzzle thing. General Pepper was half-assimilated and asked the team to kill him. Peppy nearly sacrificed himself (they totally should have gone through with that and the General Pepper thing, but they were wusses) trying to open a road to the Aparoid Queen. Krystal betrays StarFox in the Kursed ending. Marcus was born. Not to mention all the living beings who either burn to a crisp in an explosion or suffocate in space.

So yeah. Plenty of dark and potentially horrifying things. The series -could- go that direction if it wanted to. Whether it should or not? I don't know, but whatever they're doing now just isn't working.

[Xortberg]

Marcus was born.

[The Shaper]

Marcus was born.

Indeed.

[Milkyway64]

To be fair, there are some dark elements to the StarFox franchise. Fox's dad was betrayed and may be dead. Krystal's entire homeworld was destroyed. Pigma was assimilated by the Borg...er...Aparoids, and turned into a hideous monster that was then killed, and the remnants of his soul were placed into some weird cube puzzle thing. General Pepper was half-assimilated and asked the team to kill him. Peppy nearly sacrificed himself (they totally should have gone through with that and the General Pepper thing, but they were wusses) trying to open a road to the Aparoid Queen. Krystal betrays StarFox in the Kursed ending. Marcus was born. Not to mention all the living beings who either burn to a crisp in an explosion or suffocate in space.

So yeah. Plenty of dark and potentially horrifying things. The series -could- go that direction if it wanted to. Whether it should or not? I don't know, but whatever they're doing now just isn't working.

Very nice point, but still. Mario's had darkness too, but he's not gone all emo with his series. It really just depends on how far they take it. Would it be BLOOD AND BETRAYAL grimdark, or more like Majora's Mask was to the Zelda franchise? That (and the writing) would determine everything.

[LoneWolf]

My point is, the only reason I would like Kursed is if she created a darker game. That's it. Otherwise, she's just kind of an idiot. And, if they don't decide to make her own game, than I can guess she'll run back to Fox, in tears, crying like a burning, drowning snail about how she's so sorry. The Kursed ending is almost no-win.

Besides, dark is the only way you can do drama right. I guess the people at q-games didn't know that when they made Command  :facepalm:

[Xortberg]

Besides, dark is the only way you can do drama right. I guess the people at q-games didn't know that when they made Command 

I'd be willing to debate that, actually. Drama can exist without going all dark and gritty and such.

[DZComposer]

Star Fox isn't "dark." And it doesn't need to be. Star Fox was originally about blowing shit up and kicking some mad-scientist-ape ass while flying a bad-ass spaceship. I really wish the series would go back in that direction instead of trying to be a dark-story or whatever.

Sure, I'd love to see more depth to the story, but not at the expense of blowing shit up and kicking some serious ass. SFAd deviated too far from that. SFAs tried, but was mediocre. SFC let story get in the way of the ass kicking.

I know I'm gonna get some flak for saying this, but if your love of Star Fox revolves around one character, you're in it for the wrong reason. Especially with how underdeveloped the characters are. I may have a big "Slippy Fan" seal in my sig, but Slippy isn't why I'm here. I'm here for the blowing shit up and the ass kicking.

[Thu'um]

Star Fox isn't "dark." And it doesn't need to be. Star Fox was originally about blowing shit up and kicking some mad-scientist-ape ass. I really wish the series would go back in that direction instead of trying to be a dark-story or whatever.

Sure, I'd love to see more depth to the story, but not at the expense of blowing shit up and kicking some serious ass. SFAd deviated too far from that. SFAs tried, but was mediocre. SFC let story get in the way of the ass kicking.

I know I'm gonna get some flak for saying this, but if your love of Star Fox revolves around one character, you're in it for the wrong reason. Especially with how underdeveloped the characters are.

that...well...you hit it right on the 'ead mate. *nod*

[LoneWolf]

I know I'm gonna get some flak for saying this, but if your love of Star Fox revolves around one character, you're in it for the wrong reason. Especially with how underdeveloped the characters are. I may have a big "Slippy Fan" seal in my sig, but Slippy isn't why I'm here. I'm here for the blowing shit up and the ass kicking.

Luckily I'm not a Krystal/Kursed freak as some are. I just think it'd be interesting. I'm not really seriously wanting the series to do what I said. It would be cool, but overall, it would screw the series.

[Samantha Weltzin]

Very nice point, but still. Mario's had darkness too, but he's not gone all emo with his series. It really just depends on how far they take it. Would it be BLOOD AND BETRAYAL grimdark, or more like Majora's Mask was to the Zelda franchise? That (and the writing) would determine everything.

Right. Honestly, I think this series doesn't know what it is right now, so almost everything depends on the writing. It -could- go dark, but should it? Dunno'! I wouldn't mind a bit of it, but to make it, like, Sin City or something would probably be going too far, and it would edge out characters like Panther, Andrew, and Slippy.

[Xortberg]

We should just get a game that centers on the Star Wolf team. They're sort of on the darker side of everything, so Nintendo could possibly get something good out of that.

[Robert Monroe]

Opinion.

Actually, saying something is inherently better -is- bullcrap. I did not say dark things are bad, I said that beleiving that dark things are always better than lighter things is a bullcrap thing to beleive. Its biased, and its wrong, because there is equal mounts of greatness and suckage in both light and dark departments.

Star Fox isn't "dark." And it doesn't need to be. Star Fox was originally about blowing shit up and kicking some mad-scientist-ape ass while flying a bad-ass spaceship. I really wish the series would go back in that direction instead of trying to be a dark-story or whatever.

Sure, I'd love to see more depth to the story, but not at the expense of blowing shit up and kicking some serious ass. SFAd deviated too far from that. SFAs tried, but was mediocre. SFC let story get in the way of the ass kicking.

I know I'm gonna get some flak for saying this, but if your love of Star Fox revolves around one character, you're in it for the wrong reason. Especially with how underdeveloped the characters are. I may have a big "Slippy Fan" seal in my sig, but Slippy isn't why I'm here. I'm here for the blowing shit up and the ass kicking.

Everyone listen to this man.

[DZComposer]

We should just get a game that centers on the Star Wolf team. They're sort of on the darker side of everything, so Nintendo could possibly get something good out of that.

Star Fox doesn't need spin-off's, it needs a couple of decent Arwing Ass-kicking and blowing shit up games.

Spin-off's only add confusion to the canon, and with how fragmented the SF canon is, that is far from a good thing.

[LoneWolf]

Alright everybody, calm down. I was only thinking of ways to keep the Kursed storyline without effing up the regular plot of SF. I can't really think of another way to keep her without another SFC-like plot.

[The Shaper]

Alright everybody, calm down. I was only thinking of ways to keep the Kursed storyline without effing up the regular plot of SF. I can't really think of another way to keep her without another SFC-like plot.

This topic is about why you hate Kursed, not how you can keep her on the story or if star fox should or should not make a dark turn along the storyline.

[Milkyway64]

This topic is about why you hate Kursed, not how you can keep her on the story or if star fox should or should not make a dark turn along the storyline.

Which are, get this, legit sub discussions of the main subject! Why do you hate Kursed -> I don't hate Kursed -> reason -> contesting of reason. That's called DISCUSSION.

[Samantha Weltzin]

I love how the same points about how the board works keep getting brought up time and again, and it's always because some people don't like the slightest bit of conflict.

Just makes me chuckle.

[The Shaper]

I love how the same points about how the board works keep getting brought up time and again, and it's always because some people don't like the slightest bit of conflict.

Just makes me chuckle.

No they just don't like the conflict between the same people over and over and over again. Like how this sub forum usually works.