Post Halloween/Welcome to the Consumed Holiday

[Tiberius]

Well, everyone had plans for Halloween. How did it go?

Cause mine freaking sucked. I went to my friends house for a little walking around and (unbelieveable how she looks innocent enough to still go trick or treating) all, two of her other friends come by and my god! I've seen probably the most sadistic people in my life. I swear to god they were trying to kick me out. My friend was the only reason I stayed.

As for the consumed holiday, does anyone remember Thanksgiving? It seems like its been eaten up by Christmas and turned into Holiday Season part 1. Thanks for causing more debt, marketers!

[The Shaper]

Canada's thanksgiving is already over. Anyway I had a paintball competition with 15 of my friends. My team won and I got the most "kills." I also went to a few parties as well. My Halloween was good this year.

[ThePointingMan]

Too bad about your halloween... Also what do you mean by Consumed holiday?

but mine was pretty awesome, I was the scout from tf2, whent trick or treating with mah friends(all of which are 16+ years old), and finally saw the scene where the kid says, I SEE DEAD PEOPLE that is quoted so much.

[Robert Monroe]

Cry some moar about consumerism, baby. And for the record market activity stimulates the economy.

Mine was uneventful. Played TF2 and World of Warcraft and Minecraft, and worked on a school paper.

[Milkyway64]

but mine was pretty awesome, I was the scout from tf2, whent trick or treating with mah friends

You better not have been running around taking all the masks. =(

[Tiberius]

If youre going to talk about economy, gtfo. 

I mean consume holiday as in Christmas season or the Holiday season being politically correct (if there is such thing) is slowly eating October. November has already been eaten.

[Robert Monroe]

If youre going to talk about economy, gtfo. 

I mean consume holiday as in Christmas season or the Holiday season being politically correct (if there is such thing) is slowly eating October. November has already been eaten.

Dunno where you've been, but for my entire life its always been that way. Hints of it in October with it coming into full bloom in November, paticularly post-Thanksgiving.

[ThePointingMan]

You better not have been running around taking all the masks. =(

There where only six trick or treators in my server, not enough for any gifts to appear  otherwise i totally would have :D

[Tiberius]

Dunno where you've been, but for my entire life its always been that way. Hints of it in October with it coming into full bloom in November, paticularly post-Thanksgiving.

I'm a guy that doesn't shop to much. I make my gifts from scratch. But recently I've noticed that people are even putting up Christmas decorations this year BEFORE Halloween. It's stupid and consumes twice as much energy.

[Robert Monroe]

I'm a guy that doesn't shop to much. I make my gifts from scratch. But recently I've noticed that people are even putting up Christmas decorations this year BEFORE Halloween. It's stupid and consumes twice as much energy.

Again, thats normal, if minority. Most people still put up Halloween stuff in October.

[Tiberius]

It's pointless and stupid.

[ThePointingMan]

Not to be rude or anything, but I'm goin to be.

Ah hem, About as pointless and stupid as saying it's pointless and stupid.

Who cares if people do the consumer thing or whatever, mebbe I got what your saying wrong, but it doesn't really matter what everyone else does, as long as you remember, you celebrate and you have fun on your special holidays, and all the people doing this consumed thing are having fun with what they are doing. Time for a quote, "One mans trash is another mans treasure", one man's pointless and stupid thing is another mans... not pointless and not stupid thing.

[Tiberius]

And a waste of electricity. Think of all of those electric bills.

["User"]

Wow, I'd never expect a topic about Halloween to get into the ecomony.

As for the consumed holiday, does anyone remember Thanksgiving? It seems like its been eaten up by Christmas and turned into Holiday Season part 1. Thanks for causing more debt, marketers!

How has the commercialization with regards to this "Holiday Season part 1" caused more debt?  Marketing is done with one ultimate end purpose in mind - to profit.  If you are referring to individual debt via consumer spending then maybe said individuals shouldn't spend more then they have?

And for the record market activity stimulates the economy.

Indeed it does, although this year it will be a sluggish pace since the economy right now is barely recovering.  If people's disposable incomes go down, they are more likely to save it which in turn doesn't-help the economy

I mean consume holiday as in Christmas season or the Holiday season being politically correct (if there is such thing) is slowly eating October. November has already been eaten.

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The only way I can see political correctness coming into this is when people refer to a Christmas tree as a Holiday tree or saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.  The commercialization eating into October isn't a politically correct concept.

I'm a guy that doesn't shop to much. I make my gifts from scratch. But recently I've noticed that people are even putting up Christmas decorations this year BEFORE Halloween. It's stupid and consumes twice as much energy.

I personally have never seen this, but I'll agree with you it's kind of silly.

Not to be rude or anything, but I'm goin to be.

Ah hem, About as pointless and stupid as saying it's pointless and stupid.

Who cares if people do the consumer thing or whatever, mebbe I got what your saying wrong, but it doesn't really matter what everyone else does, as long as you remember, you celebrate and you have fun on your special holidays, and all the people doing this consumed thing are having fun with what they are doing. Time for a quote, "One mans trash is another mans treasure", one man's pointless and stupid thing is another mans... not pointless and not stupid thing.

And this, my friends, is all that should matter in the end.

[Tiberius]

At the very least its commercialization, marketing, blindness and stupidity at its best. Heck, Halloween isnt even a holiday anymore. Its an excuse to screw around.

Thanksgiving has lost all meaning.

The December holidays have turned into gift day.

As far as Im concerned the only holidays in America that are still celebrated are the 4th of July with a goid ol fashion BBQ and Revolutionary War reenactment, Memorial day with a trip to Arlington National Cemetary, and Veterens day with ANOTHER BBQ and prayer for the US Military.

Government patriotism at its best.

[Robert Monroe]

At the very least its commercialization, marketing, blindness and stupidity at its best. Heck, Halloween isnt even a holiday anymore. Its an excuse to screw around.

Thanksgiving has lost all meaning.

The December holidays have turned into gift day.

As far as Im concerned the only holidays in America that are still celebrated are the 4th of July with a goid ol fashion BBQ and Revolutionary War reenactment, Memorial day with a trip to Arlington National Cemetary, and Veterens day with ANOTHER BBQ and prayer for the US Military.

Government patriotism at its best.

oooh, you're so edgy and counter-cultural.

News flash: Thanksgiving never had meaning. The actual event never transpired like its taught in your high school history books with Pilgrims and Indians. Secondly, Halloween was never really a holiday either in that 1: people don't get time off for it and really, 2: what else do you do on Halloween but screw around? You eat candy, you dress up stupid, you watch scary movies. Its what I do every year. Thirdly: all the December holidays have always been gift giving. there is a fvkcing Canadian holiday called BOXING DAY for crying out loud.

BUT WAIT A MINUTE. YOU DON'T GIFTS FOR YOURSELF. YOU BUY THEM FOR.... SHOCK AND AWE! OTHER PEOPLE! WHY, YOU SPEND -YOUR- MONEY ON -OTHER- PEOPLE. WHY.... THAT'S NOT SELFISH AND STUPID AT ALL. IN FACT.... ITS QUITE SELFLESS AND GOOD NATURED. JUST LIKE WHAT CHRISTMAS IS "SUPPOSED" TO BE LIKE.

IMAGINE FREAKIN THAT.

Quit being so butthurt and just enjoy the holidays, son. If you let how other people celebrate them bother you then you are missing the whole point.

[Tiberius]

Oh stop being a troll. The least you can do is stop exaggerating and get a life.

1: I don't care if it didn't happen. But it's in the history books and said as an actual holiday. It's a time to rejoin with your family and have a good feast, thanking for all of the good things in your life.

2: I consider that screwing around.

3: Yeah, but since the wish list thing has been about, it's (for little kids and greedy adults at least) gift getting. You spend a massive amount of money on someone with a chance of getting back nothing. Especially if it's on a girl you know nothing about.

The original holiday is like a mega thanksgiving with the gift exchange. Big get together, lots of hugs and love all around. Gives you that warm feeling inside. But it's degrading into people freaking out over getting something that sucks or just not what they wanted and wanting revenge on that person. Trust me, I've seen it happen.

This is because our society is becoming more chaotic.

I could go on for ages about this, but there would probably be only one being that can change my mind... THE HYPNOTOAD.

[Xortberg]

Oh stop being a troll. The least you can do is stop exaggerating and get a life.

1: I don't care if it didn't happen. But it's in the history books and said as an actual holiday. It's a time to rejoin with your family and have a good feast, thanking for all of the good things in your life.

2: I consider that screwing around.

3: Yeah, but since the wish list thing has been about, it's (for little kids and greedy adults at least) gift getting. You spend a massive amount of money on someone with a chance of getting back nothing. Especially if it's on a girl you know nothing about.

The original holiday is like a mega thanksgiving with the gift exchange. Big get together, lots of hugs and love all around. Gives you that warm feeling inside. But it's degrading into people freaking out over getting something that sucks or just not what they wanted and wanting revenge on that person. Trust me, I've seen it happen.

This is because our society is becoming more chaotic.

I could go on for ages about this, but there would probably be only one being that can change my mind... THE HYPNOTOAD.

So you're saying that facts don't matter to you and people should just accept that the history books lie to us and tell us we had a big happy get together with the Indians, so Thanksgiving started? If anything, all that does is teach hypocrisy, since later we learn that the horrible white man turns on the friendly Indians who taught them to plant corn and relocates them, Trail of Tears, etc. In any case, your refusal to accept the facts is on par with everyone else ignoring your 'true holiday spirit' you've been babbling about.

Yes, it is screwing around. Just as he said.

People make wish lists so that people will know what to get them. It's there specifically to avoid these supposed situations where people get the wrong gift and want revenge. As for kids, yeah, it is pretty much about them being greedy and getting what they want. Parents like to spoil their kids occasionally, and Christmas is a good way of doing it.

Now, you say the original holiday was all about 'mega Thanksgiving with the gift exchange'? Okay, so what? The times, they are a-changing, bro. Yes, Christmas is pretty much all about getting a bunch of crap you wanted now as compared to the supposed 'good old days' where everyone only liked it because it was Christmas. Why does that matter, though? You say all this like you need Christmas in order to be a good person, and the consumerist mindset is taking that chance away from you.

Here's an idea: quit bitching about how horrible our society has become because of a stupid holiday that never really mattered in the first place, stop letting what other people do dictate how you feel about something, and maybe you can go out in the middle of June and get someone you care about a gift or something. Be a good person because you want to, not because the time of year dictates it.

[Sabre]

I made a blog post about this subject. Shame this thread quickly devolved into troll wars.

Anyway, here's the post

http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=8861.msg297694#msg297694

[Tiberius]

Well, I can argue and say that pushing the Indians out was a bad idea and wiped out many cultures, but there's nothing we can do about that. And I never mentioned a true holiday spirit. I'm simply making my view and how I think it skewed from the original intention.

Thank you! Someone finally says Halloween is now a waste of time. Not saying it's bad, it's just a waste.

I never said someone needed Christmas. Far from it. As a matter of fact I think Christmas today is starting to corrupt people. Well... It's been doing that for quite some time, but you get the point.

Also, I believe I never mentioned getting someone a gift in general isn't a good thing, but how it seems like everyone HAS to get a Christmas present for people they know or they go to hell(which is bulllcrap, I know) is starting to become one

Great. Now my train of thought has been screwed up and I need to take this elsewhere. Can someone lock this topic before it turns into the Internet Warz?

[Robert Monroe]

Oh stop being a troll. The least you can do is stop exaggerating and get a life.

1: I don't care if it didn't happen. But it's in the history books and said as an actual holiday. It's a time to rejoin with your family and have a good feast, thanking for all of the good things in your life.

2: I consider that screwing around.

3: Yeah, but since the wish list thing has been about, it's (for little kids and greedy adults at least) gift getting. You spend a massive amount of money on someone with a chance of getting back nothing. Especially if it's on a girl you know nothing about.

The original holiday is like a mega thanksgiving with the gift exchange. Big get together, lots of hugs and love all around. Gives you that warm feeling inside. But it's degrading into people freaking out over getting something that sucks or just not what they wanted and wanting revenge on that person. Trust me, I've seen it happen.

This is because our society is becoming more chaotic.

I could go on for ages about this, but there would probably be only one being that can change my mind... THE HYPNOTOAD.

1: It still fullfills that purpse. Despite being swamped in December-madness a month early, Thanksgiving you know, is still -widely- celebrated and all that.

2: And that's what Halloween has always been, unless you want to go back about 1000 years where it involved warding off evil spirits and shit, so what's your poin? Halloween being a screw around day is also not new.

3: A massive amount of money on someone with a chance of getting back nothing. I seriously hope you are listening to yourself. BECAUSE TO ME, that sounds a lot like BEING SELFLESS. Who the -hell- cares if you may not get something back in return? THAT IS NOT EVEN THE POINT OF GIVING SOMEONE A GIFT. That is the entire point of charity organizations like "Operation Christmas Child". Sounds to me you probably have some deep-found inner problems involving bad Christmas's, or something, if you think giving a gift without a chance of getting anything in return is "bad".

Times change. And between you and me, you sound like you're letting your personal, minute experiences completely paint your mental images of the holidays. I've seen people driven up the damn wall by them too, but I've also seen some of the most generous acts of kindness too. If anything, I woud bitch about why we can't be that generous ALL YEAR ROUND instead of just when prompted to by a holiday.

[Guest FoXXX]

cool thread.

[ThePointingMan]

cool thread.

I think it has something to do with hipnotoads eyes...

[Vulvokunvrii]

It was...okay i guess. I went out for about twenty minutes and then i decided to go home...i think ive out grown the Trick-Or-Treat thing. It just doesnt feel right anymore...i was the only tall guy out there; ad to the fact it was embarrassing, your teenager going up to a person's house and asking them for candy..."i think not!"

i still got a small haul of "loot", but next year i think ill still dress up, but ill just hang out the candy instead.

[Tiberius]

1: It still fullfills that purpse. Despite being swamped in December-madness a month early, Thanksgiving you know, is still -widely- celebrated and all that.

2: And that's what Halloween has always been, unless you want to go back about 1000 years where it involved warding off evil spirits and shit, so what's your poin? Halloween being a screw around day is also not new.

3: A massive amount of money on someone with a chance of getting back nothing. I seriously hope you are listening to yourself. BECAUSE TO ME, that sounds a lot like BEING SELFLESS. Who the -hell- cares if you may not get something back in return? THAT IS NOT EVEN THE POINT OF GIVING SOMEONE A GIFT. That is the entire point of charity organizations like "Operation Christmas Child". Sounds to me you probably have some deep-found inner problems involving bad Christmas's, or something, if you think giving a gift without a chance of getting anything in return is "bad".

Times change. And between you and me, you sound like you're letting your personal, minute experiences completely paint your mental images of the holidays. I've seen people driven up the damn wall by them too, but I've also seen some of the most generous acts of kindness too. If anything, I woud bitch about why we can't be that generous ALL YEAR ROUND instead of just when prompted to by a holiday.

1 agreed

2 agreed

3 Yes, I have had problems. Some friends of mine asked me something for Christmas which i bought them that stuff. It was relatively expensive items and it was hard earned money from hard work. All of that went down the toilet when they sold it saying it wasn't what they wanted even when they specifically told me it was the item the wanted. Hell, some people used it to give to their girlfriends. FREELOADERS. If they told me they needed cash to get the stuff I would've invited them to work with me for decent pay. It's treachery and deceit. I hate, hate, hatity hate it when a friend asks something from me and blows it off, soon becoming a douchebag. You know what I do to those people?

I tell their families and friends that if they give them anything, they wont get anything back. These former friends of mine were freeloaders, as before mentioned and wasted everything that was given to them on worthless crap. They are also liars.

This is why I like to keep Christmas in the family and with close friends. I swear, if this happens to me one more time I will simply avoid all commercialization and celebrate it by myself with a Christmas tree and an open fire. No friends, no family, no nothing, because apparently suffering loneliness is better than being betrayed and or used.

This is why I hate commercialization. I just wished I didn't have to remember that just to make my point. I donate to charities and all. I do my part to help the world, but when it comes to specified people, it's a small list.