Alright, you furries. This is it. Prove that Krystal isn't a cardboard character

[Milkyway64]

I do not belive that 'hate' is a very strongly used word, and not the right one to use in this case.

He dislikes [Again, if this is like me kinda] how people say many things/obsess about her that she has yet proven to be. Such as self reliant, powerful, and has a great personality.

Exactly. I don't hate Krystal or her fans really. However, it's annoying to see her get way, way more credit than she deserves just for simply introducing them to puberty. Krystal COULD be a good character with unrealized potential. It's just as it stands she's not (nor will she likely be, seeing the series she is in.)

[SuperGamecube64]

Actually, even as a furry, I gotta say she is pretty damn flat, But she just has a certain charm to her.

HOW CAN YOU NOT D'AAAWWW?!?!

[Sabre]

mabye this thing should be locked down; it seems you are just venting your frustration here, rather than actually making a "debate topic"

I called it from the start. Glad you are finally catching up. :3

[Milkyway64]

And yet there is no clear reason why it should be shut down. SFO has this really bad problem with not explaining anything, you know that?

[FoxMcCloud]

Guys Milky has a point, This is the board to explain said frustration and prove why you believe that your said side is the one, and why you think that it is right.

Sure sometimes that Ranting can go on, but every human has self control, and we can all argue here as logical human beings. We finally have a chance to have said debate drama's that were in all the other topics out of there, and finally put in a board where they belong, let's not ruin this chance.

[Kursed]

Exactly. I don't hate Krystal or her fans really. However, it's annoying to see her get way, way more credit than she deserves just for simply introducing them to puberty. Krystal COULD be a good character with unrealized potential. It's just as it stands she's not (nor will she likely be, seeing the series she is in.)

I'm sorry but I have to agree with MIlky on this point (Specailly the stupid series issue)

First of all I'd like to point out that Fan-Fics and Roleplays Do not make any character better heck they don't matter at all.

The problem with the starfox series is  for some reason the developers are leaving alot of key details about their characters out.

Where did falco come from? Why does wolf seem to hate starfox? What happened to Krystal's staff. Why did she change so drastically in  command..... I could go on and on with quesytions that need to be answered so moving on.

Why is Krystal so great a character? Well for me she's the only darn Girl in the starfox team a team which was previously boys only (since starfox2 was cut) Her staff is cool (Although seemly cut from existance) she has a interesting backstory(Which still needs expanded)  And besdies telepathy it's possible she may have  some other small power(Note why andross trapped her in the crystal to 'channel' the Krazoa energy) so does this make her the greatest charater ever? No I still have a few other favorites who could probaly rank the same as her. Is she the best on starfox? No just my favorite character.

And if you want to Know why I like Kursed. Well it's simply because previously it was thought that Krystal needed Fox or another man well Kursed proves that wrong and shows clearly she can handle herself  on her Own without a MAn.

And yet there is no clear reason why it should be shut down. SFO has this really bad problem with not explaining anything, you know that?

ONce again Agreed you guys really need to learn to Forgive and Forget or perhaps actually read though everything I haven't seen anything bad from Milky in this topic yet.

[DZComposer]

Is there any character in Star Fox that isn't cardboard?

[Milkyway64]

Is there any character in Star Fox that isn't cardboard?

Andross, possibly, but the point is well understood. Krystal is a cardboard character, in a cardboard cast. She's a supporting character in a game about PEW PEW and explosions tempered by narm-tastic dialogue. This, however, goes over so many people's heads and suddenly she's a deep and award winning character. Wat.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with MIlky on this point (Specailly the stupid series issue)

First of all I'd like to point out that Fan-Fics and Roleplays Do not make any character better heck they don't matter at all.

The problem with the starfox series is  for some reason the developers are leaving alot of key details about their characters out.

Where did falco come from? Why does wolf seem to hate starfox? What happened to Krystal's staff. Why did she change so drastically in  command..... I could go on and on with quesytions that need to be answered so moving on.

Why is Krystal so great a character? Well for me she's the only darn Girl in the starfox team a team which was previously boys only (since starfox2 was cut) Her staff is cool (Although seemly cut from existance) she has a interesting backstory(Which still needs expanded)  And besdies telepathy it's possible she may have  some other small power(Note why andross trapped her in the crystal to 'channel' the Krazoa energy) so does this make her the greatest charater ever? No I still have a few other favorites who could probaly rank the same as her. Is she the best on starfox? No just my favorite character.

And if you want to Know why I like Kursed. Well it's simply because previously it was thought that Krystal needed Fox or another man well Kursed proves that wrong and shows clearly she can handle herself  on her Own without a MAn.

This is mostly true and represents as far as the fandom should go. Krystal is in no way the best character in her series let alone all time, but don't let that stop you from liking her for whatever reason. Just don't LIE about her in the process.

Oh. and kursed barely proves anything seeing the potential noncanon-ness and the fact that nothing is known about her.

[Vindr]

Reading topics from a mobile phone really makes you read each post more, but after like the 6th page the fanboys started using her looks and features like telepathy and the staff and so forth as a crutch in some way or another until the whole thing turned from its original topic. The posts soon blended together to a point where everyone was shouting the same thing and nobody was listening, gads I love the internet!

To be honest, I don't see how anyone can get depth of character from only 2 games and only about 30 minutes of screen time, tops. I myself don't find anything deep about the actual character.

To be really honest, Krystal maybe should get her own damn game, since the fanboys want to see her more and the hardcore fans want less of her. Its the obvious solution .

But seriously, the only thing that's made her character deep in anyway is the fanfiction and fandom written and fantasized about her.

[Kursed]

Reading topics from a mobile phone really makes you read each post more, but after like the 6th page the fanboys started using her looks and features like telepathy and the staff and so forth as a crutch in some way or another until the whole thing turned from its original topic. The posts soon blended together to a point where everyone was shouting the same thing and nobody as listening, gads I love the internet!

To be honest, I don't see how anyone can get depth of character from only 2 games and only about 30 minutes of screen time, tops. I myself don't find anything deep about the actual character.

To be really honest, Krystal maybe should get her own damn game, since the fanboys want to see her more and the hardcore fans want less of her. Its the obvious solution .

But seriously, the only thing that's made her character deep in anyway is the fanfiction.

Well some fans would be happy if the dang development team would get their butts into gear.

http://papetoonscafe.wetpaint.com/

and just for the record I'll say this for th 2nd or 3rd time Fan-fiction does not define a charater.

[Vindr]

I know fanfiction doesn't define the character, but everyone makes assumptions in writing it and sometimes many lose who she actually is amongst all the fan drool.

[Kursed]

well your point is  kinda...illogical for the current subject...

[Vindr]

Maybe I should add that I feel that I see her as an open slate and unpredictable, in a sense. I feel as if the fanbase is making her, not the studios.

[Milkyway64]

well your point is  kinda...illogical for the current subject...

How so? As I understand it, Vindr's opinion matches mine in that Krystal isn't deep in any way and most reasons fanboys come up with are paper thin excuses, then proceeded to add that fanfiction is the only media that even comes close to making something out of her albeit unofficial.

[Kursed]

How so? As I understand it, Vindr's opinion matches mine in that Krystal isn't deep in any way and most reasons fanboys come up with are paper thin excuses, then proceeded to add that fanfiction is the only media that even comes close to making something out of her albeit unofficial.

I ment on the fan-fiction point perhaps I'm just misunderstanding.

[Thu'um]

When i played assualt i became attached to krystal, don't get me wrong. All the other characters are great to, but there was somthing about her...I can't explain it. When she was in danger i get pissed at the enemy! She seems to mean alot to me. Sorta like a daughter in the fact i care about her well being and image, Infact if she was real i wouldn't hessitate in fighting to deffend her. But i also see strength from her, and a great deal of emotion. Command made me cry when she became kursed, because i cared about her, and that was the last place i wanted to see her. This may seem dumb, but i have emotions and compasion for  krystal, and a strong ones at that. If a character can do that to me, I could never she her as cardboard.

[Vindr]

^twilight-esque fanboyism, tell me good sir, do you know what a Mary-Sue is?

[Thu'um]

no, i don't. Infact i have never even read i twilight. But sir can u guess why some many people taunt me about it?

[Vindr]

No, but Mary-sue is a term for a character type, not a good thing, look it up, research, etc.

In the mean time, read some books, good ones, observe how many great authors make a puppet into someone tangible and real. Not human real but like a full personality full with every emotion and connection that makes a full character, complete with quirks and flaws.

[Thu'um]

No, but Mary-sue is a term for a character type, not a good thing, look it up, research, etc.

In the mean time, read some books, good ones, observe how many great authors make a puppet into someone tangible and real. Not human real but like a full personality full with every emotion and connection that makes a full character, complete with quirks and flaws.

I know. Girls tell me all about it all the time, due to my last name being Cullen.

You will probley never read as many books as i have! I just finished The Talsimin! And guess what? My Avatar is from a book! Actualy a few books. like 20 so...

[Vindr]

Stay on topic kiddo.

As much as I would like to talk about books were not here to discuss that are we?

[Milkyway64]

When i played assualt i became attached to krystal, don't get me wrong. All the other characters are great to, but there was somthing about her...I can't explain it. When she was in danger i get pissed at the enemy! She seems to mean alot to me. Sorta like a daughter in the fact i care about her well being and image, Infact if she was real i wouldn't hessitate in fighting to deffend her. But i also see strength from her, and a great deal of emotion. Command made me cry when she became kursed, because i cared about her, and that was the last place i wanted to see her. This may seem dumb, but i have emotions and compasion for  krystal, and a strong ones at that. If a character can do that to me, I could never she her as cardboard.

To repeat Vindr, this is twilight esque fanboyism. It's an attraction you have to her fueled by sweet feelings and nothing objectively deep or interesting of the character herself. Again, from Vindr:

In the mean time, read some books, good ones, observe how many great authors make a puppet into someone tangible and real. Not human real but like a full personality full with every emotion and connection that makes a full character, complete with quirks and flaws.

Do this. And then honestly compare to Krystal. Krystal is not well developed andfleshed out character. She resembles a person in no way. All she really has is her attractive appearance and suiting voice.

[Thu'um]

Stay on topic kiddo

right becauase that rule hasn't been broken in a million years.

Ok well i have nothing more to state, *Braces for impact of Milkways coment*

Oh, shoot he cut me off!

To repeat Vindr, this is twilight esque fanboyism. It's an attraction you have to her fueled by sweet feelings and nothing objectively deep or interesting of the character herself. Again, from Vindr:

Do this. And then honestly compare to Krystal. Krystal is not well developed andfleshed out character. She resembles a person in no way. All she really has is her attractive appearance and suiting voice.

I am far from attracted to krystal. Infact I tend to shun thoas who are( unless i know them already)

I already posted a respnse to this. I have read a slew of books. I find few character more interesting then krystal.

[Milkyway64]

You are very attracted to Krystal. Saying otherwise is utter denial. Even if it's not to her sexually alluring design, it's your own subjective hero mentality toward her helplessness or something.

And I very much doubt you have, Krystal is objectively unremarkable. Your "interest" in Krystal is pure bias.

[Thu'um]

You are very attracted to Krystal. Saying otherwise is utter denial. Even if it's not to her sexually alluring design, it's your own subjective hero mentality toward her helplessness or something.

And I very much doubt you have, Krystal is objectively unremarkable. Your "interest" in Krystal is pure bias.

Then so be it! But i am not attractid to her.

I think not. I enjoy her responses to things in assualt. Such as "They will never get away with this!" prehaps she doesn't act like a real person. But does leon Kenedey or Many other video game Characters? And this is not reason for being a bad video game character.