Shhhakespeare

[Sabre]

Someone mentioned a comparison to Shakespeare in the drama thread. Similar to the term "Busy as a bee" when bees are in fact fairly lazy compaired to what most think, I'm of the opinion that Shakespeare is overrated, outdated crap. To be fair this could because he was required studying in every level of education. When you spend 3 weeks deconstructing the line "Tomorrow you will find me a grave man" you gain a new level of hate for his work most dont find possable.

To be fair, Leonardo De Caprios version of romeo and juliet was hillarious in how bad it was. "Get me my longsword!" *reaches for a machine gun with 'long sword' written next to it.

For those wondering about the 'shhh' in the title. It's a British fad (like a meme, but not on the internet) of getting people to shut up. It comes the annoiying git in this advert.

[Fluxy]

I personally enjoy most of his plays. You mainly either like it, or you don't. *Shrug*

Many people hate how stupid some of the cheesy stuff is, and that is reasonable. But it also has purpose.

1] It inevitably gets the plot going.

2] IT IS A PLAY!!! If things aren't slightly un-realistic, it will not be too popular.

But in some cases [Romeo and Juliet; A Midsummer's Night Dream] Those factors can be WAY over used and make parts of them really enjoyably.

[Robert Monroe]

Shakespere's stuff is great because it set the foundation for modern literature. He invented so many tropes (as well as entire WORDS), that overrated or not you can not deny its importance. I personally enjoy most of his stuff. I find a few things to be garbage (Romeo and Juliet come to mind), but my biggest beef isn't with him, its his fanclub eternally sucking his Renaissance dick. News flash: Shakespere wrote a lot of crappy stuff to go with his good stuff, and when you become absorbed in the old, you can never really create anything new. People get way too caught up in his stuff. Almost like Star Wars fans, really.

And yeah, they study the hell out of him.

[Fluxy]

Shakespere's stuff is great because it set the foundation for modern literature. He invented so many tropes (as well as entire WORDS), that overrated or not you can not deny its importance. I personally enjoy most of his stuff. I find a few things to be garbage (Romeo and Juliet come to mind), but my biggest beef isn't with him, its his fanclub eternally sucking his Renaissance dick. News flash: Shakespere wrote a lot of crappy stuff to go with his good stuff, and when you become absorbed in the old, you can never really create anything new. People get way too caught up in his stuff. Almost like Star Wars fans, really.

And yeah, they study the hell out of him.

Yeah. Totally agree. I dislike a good amount of his work, but it was also what led to the great writers of this time. But, eh. Fanboys/girls will be who they are. *Shrug* I don't really like them too much either, for they try [in my cases] to tell us all his stuff is amazing. Which, not everything he did, right now, isn't, which is what they try putting on me.

But that is what I get for taking a class about Shakespeare at my school. Lol

[Kid_Cortet]

My favorite one is "The taming of the shrew".....why...idk

[Sabre]

Shakespere's stuff is great because it set the foundation for modern literature. He invented so many tropes (as well as entire WORDS), that overrated or not you can not deny its importance. I personally enjoy most of his stuff. I find a few things to be garbage (Romeo and Juliet come to mind), but my biggest beef isn't with him, its his fanclub eternally sucking his Renaissance dick. News flash: Shakespere wrote a lot of crappy stuff to go with his good stuff, and when you become absorbed in the old, you can never really create anything new. People get way too caught up in his stuff. Almost like Star Wars fans, really.

And yeah, they study the hell out of him.

I disagree for 2 reasons. 1. His 'modern english' is incomperhencable. Any influence he had has worn off. A good example of this is "wherefore art thou Romeo?" which in fact means why, not where.

2. He didn't make up the language. He was in someones english class right? He had to learn to write somewhere, and the words were how people spoke at the time. Just because he wrote it down doesn't mean he invented it. It's like if Steve King (I can't think of any other american authors) wrote a story where somebody is described as "A total n00b". Being the first one to write it down isn't good enough to have claimed to have invented it imo.

Yeah. Totally agree. I dislike a good amount of his work, but it was also what led to the great writers of this time. But, eh. Fanboys/girls will be who they are. *Shrug* I don't really like them too much either, for they try [in my cases] to tell us all his stuff is amazing. Which, not everything he did, right now, isn't, which is what they try putting on me.

But that is what I get for taking a class about Shakespeare at my school. Lol

Try doing it for the best part of a decade. Nightmare.

[Robert Monroe]

I disagree for 2 reasons. 1. His 'modern english' is incomperhencable. Any influence he had has worn off. A good example of this is "wherefore art thou Romeo?" which in fact means why, not where.

2. He didn't make up the language. He was in someones english class right? He had to learn to write somewhere, and the words were how people spoke at the time. Just because he wrote it down doesn't mean he invented it. It's like if Steve King (I can't think of any other american authors) wrote a story where somebody is described as "A total n00b". Being the first one to write it down isn't good enough to have claimed to have invented it imo.

1: I never said his English was modern. It is quite standard for his time. His influence has not worn off, because he has created entire legions of stock characters and tropes that are still used to this day. Shakespere's influence is immortal, like Commedia del'Arte.

2: I didn't say he made up the language either. I said he invented a dickton of words. Which he did. And many of them have become part of the standard English vernacular, still used to this day. So yeah, he's influential there too. Being the first might as well make you the invetor, because how can you dispove it? And no, Stephen King wouldn't fly here because "total n00b" has existed on the internet in concrete form.

[Sabre]

1: I never said his English was modern. It is quite standard for his time. His influence has not worn off, because he has created entire legions of stock characters and tropes that are still used to this day. Shakespere's influence is immortal, like Commedia del'Arte.

2: I didn't say he made up the language either. I said he invented a dickton of words. Which he did. And many of them have become part of the standard English vernacular, still used to this day. So yeah, he's influential there too. Being the first might as well make you the invetor, because how can you dispove it? And no, Stephen King wouldn't fly here because "total n00b" has existed on the internet in concrete form.

1- I disagree.

2- You didn't even read my last post did you? The 'made up words' were in common use back in the day. So yes, my total n00b idea does 'fly'.

[Robert Monroe]

1- I disagree.

2- You didn't even read my last post did you? The 'made up words' were in common use back in the day. So yes, my total n00b idea does 'fly'.

I did read your post. But as Shakespere was the one to bring it to modern vernacular and immortalize it, he gets credit for their creation, because you can't procure evidence that says otherwise.

Also, you may disagree, but you'd be a hilarious minority who is being quite ignorant to the impact his works had on English literautre or centuries to come.

[Sabre]

Still doesnt class as invention. His plays are still quoted. Does that mean happy days is cullturally important as it 'invented' jumping the shark?

His works probley did inspire others. But his insperation I doubt is still going more then current works. I've known more artists inspired by Robocop and Aliens then Shakespeare.

[Fluxy]

Still doesnt class as invention. His plays are still quoted. Does that mean happy days is cullturally important as it 'invented' jumping the shark?

His works probley did inspire others. But his insperation I doubt is still going more then current works. I've known more artists inspired by Robocop and Aliens then Shakespeare.

His invention and ideas live on in other plays, theater performances, -and- especially in poets. He was a base foundation in making our language what it is, and that is what makes him remembered and such. It doesn't matter if people find inspiration from him exactly, but a lot of work can be traced down to him through inspiration.

[Sabre]

His invention and ideas live on in other plays, theater performances, -and- especially in poets. He was a base foundation in making our language what it is, and that is what makes him remembered and such. It doesn't matter if people find inspiration from him exactly, but a lot of work can be traced down to him through inspiration.

No. The language was common during the time. See n00b example.

[Robert Monroe]

Still doesnt class as invention. His plays are still quoted. Does that mean happy days is cullturally important as it 'invented' jumping the shark?

His works probley did inspire others. But his insperation I doubt is still going more then current works. I've known more artists inspired by Robocop and Aliens then Shakespeare.

Happy Days probably is culturally significant for that, as well as being one of the biggest prime time TV shows of its era.

No. The language was common during the time. See n00b example.

And without Shakespere, it would have been largely undocumented and noone would really know about it. And he did invent SOME words, words that have no recorded use before his plays. The difference between ehre and the noob example is we have documents of noob being used on the internet, we don't have anything other than Shakespere to document the first uses of the words his supposedly created.

[Fluxy]

And without Shakespere, it would have been largely undocumented and noone would really know about it. And he did invent SOME words, words that have no recorded use before his plays.

Some good examples. The words "Stuff" and "Assassination"

[Vy'drach]

If you over-analyze anything it gets annoying. Because H.R. Giger is a surrealist artist, and the designer of the kainde amedha in the Aliens movies, art fanatics started over-analyzing the movies and the use of, oh how did they put it, "The switching of bright, sterile space-ship interiors to dark, dank, disgusting alien hives." Something along those lines, anyway. It's pointless, as that's done more for the point of the movie being better than any deep artistic endeavors. Giger designed the creature, not directed the entire film. Giger designed the creature, Stan Winston made the costumes, Dan O'Bannon wrote the screenplay (for Alien), and Ridley Scott directed the first, James Cameron the second, David Fincher the third, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet for the fourth. But because Giger was a part of the movies, it became incredibly over analyzed, and art fanatics started looking for deeper meaning in everything.

Point is, over-analyze something that shouldn't be, and it gets annoying. I've read Shakespeare, I've enjoyed Shakespeare, but I don't look past it being entertaining stories or so.