A letter from me

[Guest DRL]

Hello again. Before you ask why I made this post, (or why I am even here, for the matter) I am going to clarify. And with that, I mean that is the post’s purpose: To clarify. This is because during my time off here some events have occurred and I have been the subject of talk, or part of, so I thought I would come back and clarify a few things. (Note: I was not ‘watching’ you. I came here at another member’s request, who was involved in the discussions. I will not say names, however.)

The dual-account, quick-came-back, Xort. and the PM flamewar

First of all I thought I should clarify this. Because Xort and I flamed each other, and I thought I would explain the situation, completely.

When I came back as SCoatiH, my goal was to have some fun with my old friends here at SF-O. I came under the premise that, as long as I had fun (and time to be here) everything would be fine. This was, for the most part, the case. I mean – I would get in the bar, get drunk, start a barfight, and even if the cops came I would have already gone. What could I lose? Not to metion, the added bonus of me taking off my hat and everyone being “ WTH IT’S DRL!!!” that was a nice addition to the feeling of my ‘funny success’. Do not misunderstand me. I did not want to cause trouble – just to have some fun.

However, I had to leave eventually. Perhaps earlier than I thought – Mainly due to IRL stuff (some of which, I have mentioned on the Time Clock thread). But unlike what I expected originally, IRL cool down a bit. This left me with more time on my computer… and by proxy, with internet. Now this is where things start to get nasty. While on SF-O, I was able to pick-up a few MSNs, and I also started to get on Steam. This gave me a chance I had previously not been able to: To hear (or read, more properly) rumours about things going on SF-O. One of them made me really upset. Apparelty, the idea that I had left for “petty things”. Ie.: School homework, things like that. This made me really angry, because I was going through a crisis (which has over time become harder, even now), and people all the while made these speculations. And some things pointed towards some old friends. I felt I had to do something about it, so I rushed back. I did what I had intended to do: I challenged the position this – uknown number of people – with little or no results. Before anyone could make a reply, Xort jumped in. The reasons as to why are not clear to me. Perhaps to defend these people’s perspective? Or perhaps because he has no respect for my moral code? No offence, I think it is of the latter. But whatever the case, it degenerated into a flamewar which caused the thread to get locked. The discussion, however, moved on to PMs. I could not agree with Xort. In the end, I said a number of things to him, which can be resumed as follows:

- That I disliked his “jumping in” on the thread and that he was a “f***tard”.

- That while I was not a fascist, I would order the secret service to eliminate people like him.

Now, the last statement was REALLY BAD. Althrough not a “death threat”, it is like saying “I hope you die”. This is just plain wrong, and I do not wish this for anyone (another reason why I am saying it).

But, let it be know that such flames were not unprovoked.

As I have said, Xort seems to have no respect for my moral code. This is based partly on my experiences, choices, and from what I have been thaught. That the last word; this is one the things my father told me:

If you have nothing to hide' date=' then say things to the face. It is better to be honest and disliked than being loved and false.[/quote']

Hence, people speaking ‘behind my back’ really made me upset. Hence I came back to challenge such position. I came back to challenge their position, perhaps resolve things peacefully (I had hope that people would step forward, and we could clarify why they thought what they thought about me). Instead, Xort decided that my challenge was “stupid”. The why, to me, is not important. What is important here is that I had done wrong, and I had done something I should have not: Payed attention to his statements. That way, people whom I intended to speak will move forward, and those I would ignore, I would simply ignore.

That aside, sorry again Xort for saying that I would set up the secret service thing. I really would not do that to anyone. Whatever you take my apology or not, is up to you. But I have said the truth, that can not be denied.

Milky and him ‘knowing from months ago’

This became another issue I left unresolved. I need to clarify this, for all parties to understand the situation.

First of all, Milky DID remain in contact with me after I left SF-O. I did discuss with him a few personal things. However, they are not ‘exactly’ what he thinks we did. What we discussed togheter, back then, was me and the ‘inner furry being female’ thing (at the point, I still thought that me wanted to be a female was caused by me being a furry, which triggered the ‘I do not want to be a furry’ thing back then.) But furry and ‘inner furry’, are psychological and maybe spiritual/lifestyle issues. Sexual dysmorphism, which is what I probably have (I am not 100% certain, we are still trying to get me a therapist), is a BIOLOGICAL issue. In short, people are born with the neural functions of the other sex. And if you do not believe me, you do not have to; there are entire centres dedicated to the research of this type of  medical situations and similar ones.

Now this is another problem with Milky. He keep telling me to “shut up and forget it” and to “get over it”. Milky, people have DIED because of this… problem. I am not kidding. If you do not believe me, I have said so already: ask a professional. But dismissing it as ‘bullshit’ without proof, makes your logic flawed. No offence.

Another thing, is that Milky mentioned that I had already told my parents about it. I had not told them about the furry, let alone this ‘problem’ of mine. No offence intended either Milkyway, but saying that ‘I had already told my parents’ is no more than an assumption. (Now to say: I have told my mother at the beginning of this month. But neither did I tell my father, nor any of my parents knew any of this until recently).

I think I did deserve a smack for treating your brother like I did, Milky. But, the problem I had been into is a serious one. Like I said, if untreated, it can lead to death. Why then you say is it ‘not a big deal’, then? No offence intended, again, but you are being offensive without reason.

KLA people, attitude and people leaving

One thing I have to say about this is, it seems people think that, ever since the KLA group came here, the place has been becoming more and hostile. Unfortunately, this is, for the most part, true.

I am to clarify that I have nothing against “User”, nor against any of the staff. However, I have to say, that I am really disappointed with the other 3 of the “KLA group”.

One thing I have noticed about them, is that they make big deal of  REALLY petty things. There is the example, in a thread were I and SlyJedi were talking about pairing Miyu with Panther. Robert came once again to “debate” the issue, and tried to point out why my ‘logic was flawed’. I need to point out, however. Was that really necessary? In the end, we were talking about a videogame. And it is not even related to any ‘mature’ subjects (unless you count Arwings and videogame couples as “mature subject”). Was it really worth the effort, I mean, in ‘proving me wrong’? In the end, neither me or him control whatever Nintendo or it’s affiliated company do. Therefore, why create such a big deal out of an opinion? I do not understand.

But this kept repeating over, and over, and over. I told Robert once: “The subject of debating this… I do not find it ‘exciting’. It bores me.” Similary, I think other people have becomed bored (or worse) towards it. There was a mature section created. Feel like debating? Well, THAT was the place to do it. Not out there. And in any case, strong words were unnecessary (for example, when I and Robert were discussing about ‘space combat’ and he said I was ‘making up bullshit’. Once again I reiterate – neither him or me do know what is going to happen. So why start a bitter fight over it?)

Now eventually, the constant fighting, flames, and such, led to the place loosing it’s ‘prestige’. Once it was the most ‘friendly Starfox Community’, in matter of weeks, it turned into a deranged flame machine. A place were people once came to get away from troubles, started to give them troubles. Started to make them feel down… It inverted it’s purpose.

I tried copping with it, but over time it became too much. IRL was literally razing to the ground my self-esteem, and when I came here to boost it a little, it had the opposite effect: Indeed, I felt worse after I left.

The inevitable degradation of the RP section, which had become since apparent from some time, had taken it’s toll when the permanent RP’s had to be locked, the numbers of RPs reduced, and the activity on the section was drastically curved… down.

What is even worse – and REALLY shocking – is that Julius and some other members had left. Or even more worse, was when I heard that Julius had “wiped his account”.

It is obvious, to me, that the place’s stability and peace had been permanently damaged. Drastic measures for it’s repair are needed, and the answer, from my perspective, does not lies on bans, but rather on the attitudes of some people. Indeed, everyone has the right to say their voice, their opinion. But when others start trying to silence the rest, is it still ‘freedom’ untainted? I do not think so, but that is probably me.

But then again, I could not stay in a place where only frustration, endless ranting and such continued. No offence Milky, but just because I wanted to pack my bags and leave, does not means I ‘do not have balls’ (you may think about my ‘situation’, but hey, I am still a male dangit).

This post, and my last thougts on the issue

I think I already covered what I needed to say. Regardless, I thought I should add a few more words.

I jonted this place as of late 2009. Late Novemeber to be precise. Nice coincidence that I am here again, mid-November of the next year, is not it?

But that is not the main point. What I am trying to say, is that I have seen the place rise-and-fall. When it was in it’s greatest moment, I was there. And know what? It was awecool. I remember when I and the others (will not say names, they are too many to write them down now) had a great deal of fun togheter, be it on the random threads or on some RPs, or even in would-a-be serious discussion threads.

There were fights every now and then, I can not deny it. I did, to, my share of the mess when things got heat-ed-up. But then we would apologize, try to not do it again, improve, and continue. This was the case when back then when I and Kursed had an argument on the ‘Star fox Mods’ thread, or when I, Steve, and Asper had an argument about global warming. But then again, we could reach an agreement. I said ‘sorry for saying that’, and we moved on. The fun and pun continued. Even when Matt was still around, I would have fun with that (ie…: “Matt, do you want to shatter reality by being a Panther fan?”) And although Julius and I did not agree on politics, I always praised his writing skill and his fanfiction(s).

But as time went on (coincidentally, with event such as my initial departure from the site) the site became less funny, and increasingly hostile. I am starting to repeat myself, so I think I am just going to end this…

Oh well. I will thank you all for the good moments we have been throught and I will tell you that I will not forget it. It really saddens me to see the community shattering up because of recent events… Like I said, I understand the staff’s position but I do think some sort of solution has to be found. Perhaps, it is already to late. The heat has now died down, and there is nobody to party with.

Regards, my friends. Perhaps, if things start to straighten and the place becomes once again what it was, someday we may meet again here. And if not, some of you have my MSN and Steam…

Take care.

[Kid_Cortet]

I'm glad to hear you are ok DRL. Or at least still with us in this world.

You are right, the site has taken some hits over the last few months, but things will eventually be resolved....I am sure everyone can get along when they set their hearts to it.

I know I have been out of touch lately with you, recently got back and have not even checked a % of my sites. So I apologize for that. But I pray that everything turns out alright for you my friend.

You do have several members here who miss ya (and the Hyper lol)

Good Luck, my friend :)

[Xortberg]

That aside, sorry again Xort for saying that I would set up the secret service thing. I really would not do that to anyone. Whatever you take my apology or not, is up to you. But I have said the truth, that can not be denied.

If nothing else, I can respect the fact that you've owned up and taken part of the blame. I could have worked to derail the conflict myself, so I think we can agree to just move on, yes? In the case of your moral code, I can't have no respect for it because I don't even know it. I simply called you out on something, similarly to when I do it in any other topic, and it degenerated from there. Until the PMs, it was nothing personal at all.

So yeah, I'll accept your apology and offer my own. If you do come back, I'll try my hardest not to be such an ass again :P

[Fureox]

You do have several members here who miss ya (and the Hyper lol)

This is true.

I do not think the site is past the point of repair, it's

just going through a tough time. Everyone does. It'll

get back on track.

[fox1235]

Please come back, we really miss you.

[Redeemer]

I don't think Milky would ever say something as harsh as the quotes you put there, DRL. Are those direct quotes or summaries of your interpretation?

Your condition sounds like a difficult one, and I hope you are able to get an understanding of it and cope with it. It would be really great if you could come back, but maybe at a later date. You're clearly going through something big right now and I think you need to take some quality time away and relax before you some back to SFO. SFO can be really intense sometimes and it can be enough to upset someone greatly, especially if they're already feeling fragile.

I hope you get a therapist/psychologist soon. That will really help, and you deserve to be happy. Take care of yourself, and I hope you come back to SFO soon. :)

[Guest DRL]

Considering I made this post to clarify stuff,

I thought I could not deny the need to reply

to replies made to it....

I'm glad to hear you are ok DRL. Or at least still with us in this world.

You are right, the site has taken some hits over the last few months, but things will eventually be resolved....I am sure everyone can get along when they set their hearts to it.

I know I have been out of touch lately with you, recently got back and have not even checked a % of my sites. So I apologize for that. But I pray that everything turns out alright for you my friend.

You do have several members here who miss ya (and the Hyper lol)

Good Luck, my friend

Thank you.

If nothing else, I can respect the fact that you've owned up and taken part of the blame. I could have worked to derail the conflict myself, so I think we can agree to just move on, yes? In the case of your moral code, I can't have no respect for it because I don't even know it. I simply called you out on something, similarly to when I do it in any other topic, and it degenerated from there. Until the PMs, it was nothing personal at all.

So yeah, I'll accept your apology and offer my own. If you do come back, I'll try my hardest not to be such an ass again

Thank you too. Sorry for saying that again.

This is true.

I do not think the site is past the point of repair, it's

just going through a tough time. Everyone does. It'll

get back on track.

Thank you. I miss being Hyper, actually.

Please come back, we really miss you.

Thank you but that is not possibly at the moment...

I am already making an effort being here now.

I don't think Milky would ever say something as harsh as the quotes you put there, DRL. Are those direct quotes or summaries of your interpretation?

I have tried to be as honest as possible. I confessed to have

said something horrible to Xort. Similary, I have said that perhaps

Milky made assumptions and/or confused things, because we had

been talking about my 'furry' problems on MSN for a few months.

Your condition sounds like a difficult one, and I hope you are able to get an understanding of it and cope with it. It would be really great if you could come back, but maybe at a later date. You're clearly going through something big right now and I think you need to take some quality time away and relax before you some back to SFO. SFO can be really intense sometimes and it can be enough to upset someone greatly, especially if they're already feeling fragile.

I hope you get a therapist/psychologist soon. That will really help, and you deserve to be happy. Take care of yourself, and I hope you come back to SFO soon.

Thank you still.

[Arashikage]

Well it's good to see that you're willing to clear everything up, I'm glad you wrote this letter, even though I have nothing to do with it.  It shows great character and I respect that.  Although there is one thing, when you said it made you angry that people thought you were leaving for petty reasons, while you have every right to feel angry about this, what else was there to believe?  You never told anyone about your issue, hence people thinking differently.  Now that I for one, know your issue, I see that you had every reason to take that break, I'm sure that everyone else thinks so also. 

Best regards to you, take care

[Guest DRL]

Well it's good to see that you're willing to clear everything up, I'm glad you wrote this letter, even though I have nothing to do with it.  It shows great character and I respect that.  Although there is one thing, when you said it made you angry that people thought you were leaving for petty reasons, while you have every right to feel angry about this, what else was there to believe?

I understand, this is why I am made this letter. To clarify any confusions

that might have been caused by me or to me.

Although there is one thing, when you said it made you angry that people thought you were leaving for petty reasons, while you have every right to feel angry about this, what else was there to believe?  You never told anyone about your issue, hence people thinking differently.  Now that I for one, know your issue, I see that you had every reason to take that break, I'm sure that everyone else thinks so also. 

Best regards to you, take care

Thank you, and one thing: You are also my friend, which

means it does include you. Regards to you too.

[Robert Monroe]

I'm only going to address the parts that were in turn addressed to me because otherwise the rest of this post is none of my buisness:

1: Yes, he debate is necessary. The subject matter may be silly, but that doesn't give it an excuse, imo, to play up logical fallacies. A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter what. Now how serious you take the actual debate is your own deal, personally, I don't take the actual subject matter at hand seriously (herpderp its justn Starfox), but when people say something silly, I'm gonna tackle it.

2: Mature section is for mature debates that would cause flame wars in other parts. Sexuality, politics, whatever. We can still debate and be reasonable thinkers outside of the pub. And if you found debate boring, then -don't debate with me-. Noone forces you to reply.

If you're dissapointed in me or don't like me, thats fine by me. I really don't care, to be honest. it was never my intent to chase people away, and I have not actively tried to do so, and their leaving is in part their own fault for not bringing their problems up (example: Julius. I didn't even know he hated me until after he left. A lot of good that did, right?).

[Guest DRL]

I'm only going to address the parts that were in turn addressed to me because otherwise the rest of this post is none of my buisness:

1: Yes, he debate is necessary. The subject matter may be silly, but that doesn't give it an excuse, imo, to play up logical fallacies. A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter what. Now how serious you take the actual debate is your own deal, personally, I don't take the actual subject matter at hand seriously (herpderp its justn Starfox), but when people say something silly, I'm gonna tackle it.

I am not going to deny that, but there are ways and ways of saying things.

2: Mature section is for mature debates that would cause flame wars in other parts. Sexuality, politics, whatever. We can still debate and be reasonable thinkers outside of the pub. And if you found debate boring, then -don't debate with me-. Noone forces you to reply.

The trouble is, again, not much in why you do it

but rather in 'how' you do it. In the past, we could come to an agreement.

I told you eventually that debate bored me, but that after we had long,

in-the-end-unecesary discussing of an issue that did not matter.

Remember the Miyu and Panther thing? You kept saying that 'throwing

Miyu as a cardboard love interest to Panther is stupid', but in the end,

did it really matter?

If you're dissapointed in me or don't like me, thats fine by me. I really don't care, to be honest. it was never my intent to chase people away, and I have not actively tried to do so, and their leaving is in part their own fault for not bringing their problems up (example: Julius. I didn't even know he hated me until after he left. A lot of good that did, right?).

It is not that 'I do not like you', it is that I am indeed disapointed

when I look back at the discussions that took place. I have to say,

you know how to make a logical dicussion. But one thing is discussing

about, say, economics or politics (which are serious, deep subjects) - and

where logical reasoning is the key to the sucessfull understanding of the

subject at hand - and another thing is trying to logically prove, and bitterly

fight, about a fanon couple of videogame characters being 'stupid' (subject which is

shallow, simple). In the end it does not matters, again, because in the end

neither of us have any say in how the series progresses. Hence, why make such

a big deal about it?

As for Julius, it is a shame that he left, but I am blaming no-one for that.

[Robert Monroe]

The fanon pairing thing wasn't a big deal, my entire point about it was that simply throwing in Miyu (or whoever) does noting to address the actual problems people have with Panther: its just a decoy. You aren't addressing the problem.

And from a writing point of view, it -is- stupid, and commonly frowned upon trope.

[Guest DRL]

The fanon pairing thing wasn't a big deal, my entire point about it was that simply throwing in Miyu (or whoever) does noting to address the actual problems people have with Panther: its just a decoy. You aren't addressing the problem.

And from a writing point of view, it -is- stupid, and commonly frowned upon trope.

Again, I am not going to deny it.

But then again, it was a petty thing to argue for.

[Robert Monroe]

Again, I am not going to deny it.

But then again, it was a petty thing to argue for.

Like I've said: debating is serious, taking the subject as such though, is not needed.

[Guest DRL]

Like I've said: debating is serious, taking the subject as such though, is not needed.

To me how serious a discussion is, and therefore how serious the debate is,

depends on the subject at hand. I guess we can just agree that we have each

one a different perspective.

...

As for everyone, this may be well my last time here in a long time. If you want to

say or do something (MSN exchange or whatever), you should do it now.

[Robert Monroe]

To me how serious a discussion is, and therefore how serious the debate is,

depends on the subject at hand. I guess we can just agree that we have each

one a different perspective.

...

As for everyone, this may be well my last time here in a long time. If you want to

say or do something (MSN exchange or whatever), you should do it now.

Well thats you then. For me, I can have a sense of humor, but it won't lower my debating any. Good day.

[Milkyway64]

Milky and him ‘knowing from months ago’

This became another issue I left unresolved. I need to clarify this, for all parties to understand the situation.

First of all, Milky DID remain in contact with me after I left SF-O. I did discuss with him a few personal things. However, they are not ‘exactly’ what he thinks we did. What we discussed togheter, back then, was me and the ‘inner furry being female’ thing (at the point, I still thought that me wanted to be a female was caused by me being a furry, which triggered the ‘I do not want to be a furry’ thing back then.) But furry and ‘inner furry’, are psychological and maybe spiritual/lifestyle issues. Sexual dysmorphism, which is what I probably have (I am not 100% certain, we are still trying to get me a therapist), is a BIOLOGICAL issue. In short, people are born with the neural functions of the other sex. And if you do not believe me, you do not have to; there are entire centres dedicated to the research of this type of  medical situations and similar ones.

Now this is another problem with Milky. He keep telling me to “shut up and forget it” and to “get over it”. Milky, people have DIED because of this… problem. I am not kidding. If you do not believe me, I have said so already: ask a professional. But dismissing it as ‘bullshit’ without proof, makes your logic flawed. No offence.

Another thing, is that Milky mentioned that I had already told my parents about it. I had not told them about the furry, let alone this ‘problem’ of mine. No offence intended either Milkyway, but saying that ‘I had already told my parents’ is no more than an assumption. (Now to say: I have told my mother at the beginning of this month. But neither did I tell my father, nor any of my parents knew any of this until recently).

I think I did deserve a smack for treating your brother like I did, Milky. But, the problem I had been into is a serious one. Like I said, if untreated, it can lead to death. Why then you say is it ‘not a big deal’, then? No offence intended, again, but you are being offensive without reason.

DRL, I'd like to open by saying I have not abandoned you. Sure, I got upset, but we're not over. Nowm onto the subject matter:

Yes. I did say a lot of these things, but not in this context. I told you to "get over it" in the context of your depression, not the issue. You are a man in control of your own fate, you won't die just because studies say there is a 50/50 suicide rate for people with your "condition." All I said is that still means there's a 50% chance for you to not kill yourself over gender confusion, so bring up the man and boldly march through that positive gate. Anything I said further was to enhance this, until you got me angry by blatantly giving up and going all emo.

As for your parents, I was mistaken. I thought you told me they knew. And yes, your badmouthing and repeated calling my best friend a "fucktard" got under my skin too a little bit, but not enough to really change much of the core subject.

[Guest DRL]

Well thats you then. For me, I can have a sense of humor, but it won't lower my debating any. Good day.

As I have said, we agree that our viewpoints are different.

It is okay.

DRL, I'd like to open by saying I have not abandoned you. Sure, I got upset, but we're not over. Nowm onto the subject matter:

Yes. I did say a lot of these things, but not in this context. I told you to "get over it" in the context of your depression, not the issue. You are a man in control of your own fate, you won't die just because studies say there is a 50/50 suicide rate for people with your "condition." All I said is that still means there's a 50% chance for you to not kill yourself over gender confusion, so bring up the man and boldly march through that positive gate. Anything I said further was to enhance this, until you got me angry by blatantly giving up and going all emo.

What I said was that there is a 50% chance of people 'like me' killing off

themselves before reaching 30. And the 50% other led an unhappy life.

You said this 'was bullshit'; but I repeat it was not me 'being emo' (that was

the job part), it was/is an statistic. Now, I was a little exagerated perhaps, in my

reactions (I was depressed, after all), but that does not changes facts. They are

still facts too.

As for your parents, I was mistaken. I thought you told me they knew. And yes, your badmouthing and repeated calling my best friend a "fucktard" got under my skin too a little bit, but not enough to really change much of the core subject.

I already openly apologized for this, but then again

I am sorry for what I said.

[Guest DRL]

Mmm... *Adds MSN & AIM to profile*...

...

I honestly doubt the site will ever be the same again. A shame,

but as Shakespeare wrote: "What is done, cannot be undone.".

I will probably be checking every-now-and-then, but I doubt I will

ever want to be active here again.

The good ol' days are gone for, sadly...

Hope everyone fares well and my kind regards to you all.

[LoneWolf]

Wow...

I appreciate how well thought out that was.

As for the degradation of SF-O, I have one thing to say.

'Tis the nature of the internet.

Usually web site start ups such as this go through a phase full of drama, flames, and quitters.

I also watched the rise and fall of this: http://scratch.mit.edu/ site. But now it's community thrives, only because the users dedicated to the site INCLUDING MYSELF really pulled it together, and lifted Scratch out from the hole it had been thrown down deep into. Many users of that site were quitting, flaming, and frequently "I QUIT!" videos/projects made "Top Viewed".

Some users there just gave up.

Some said the damage was permanent.

Some said it was the end of Scratch.

Moderators quit.

Users that were as famous as Fred or FreddieW quit out of shame.

Don't let that happen to you.

Please.

We can work to fix this.

It's really possible.

I'm asking other users here to help, too. You guys need to pull it together. I've argued with many users before, including you, DRL, but after a while I figured that arguing about religion, or sexual oreintation is pointless.

And as, I believe it was Vydrach once posted,

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded."

So, why bother arguing, except when the point of the thread, or comments, or WHATEVER is actually to argue.

We shouldn't have such a dedicated user as yourself quitting, DRL, don't give up hope.

...

EDIT: You say you aren't proud of the way the site has gone, but you're still in the Steam group? That has to mean something.

[Milkyway64]

I just love love love the repeated implications that Robert and I are the apocalypse of this site and how everyone is pretending that we've done damage by pointing out how stupid Krystal worship is.

I also love the utter shunning of discussion around here and how it's gotta be "everyone agrees with everything" or it's a flamefest and banning is warranted.

SFO is nowhere near ruin. It's nowhere near Scratch. To even compare it is unthinkable. Hardly anyone's even left, Kursed and OWA came back and DRL's been consistently present, so it's only Julius and Z!FF. Nick will be back too, I recon, because the friends he said were gone are still here save Julius, who left over a few PMs with content as strong as AJC gets in public. Talk about over reacting.

I'm sick of this constant, repeated blame placed on Robert and I. I'm sick of everytopic I enter now just dripping with scorn for us two. And -I- am the problem? Let things go ffs.

[LoneWolf]

I'm not blaming anyone here. Nor am I saying that the site is doomed, or even CLOSE to Scratch. I'm just trying to prove to you, DRL, because I know that you're reading this, that this site isn't a bad place. We are just a bit sensitive about flame wars here on SF-O (Much like Scratch) and just need to stop flaming and blaming and get along.

So, there you go.

This thread is going to become a flame war, I know it.

[Fureox]

What about that guy Trace? Did he leave too because of all

the hate you two are getting, Milky?

Saying that this site is beyond repair is so far from the truth.

like LoneWolf said, people here are just a bit sensitive about

all this drama and should find a way to cooperate

instead of pointing the finger.

Just a troubling time we're experiencing, but we'll all be fine.

Especially if everyone does their part to just relax and enjoy

the forum as forums should be enjoyed.

[Robert Monroe]

This thread is going to become a flame war, I know it.

Do you even know what a flame war is? its a series of cheap insults and dumbass things like " *runs you over with a tank* NEVER SAY X ABOUT Y AGAIN". NONE of the topics that everyone always says "FLAME WAR INCOMING" has become a flame war. I don't think anyone here even knows what a real flame war is, or at least has experieced them, at this rate.

And while Milk wasn't accusing anyone directly of blaming us, he is right to a degree. There is a lot of none-too-subtle implications that he and I are these harbingers of destruction, when in actuality we have done very little "true" damage to the board as a whole. You can be offended and dislike us all you want, but we have feelings just like you, and we don't appreciate being given the evil eye everywhere.

[TheRedFox8]

I'm fine with this so-called "Krystal worship" just as long as it doesn't get taken to such extreme measures.

A perfect example are the "Avatards." They are into that movie so much that it's like their minds are permanently altered. An example is painting themselves blue and thinking their backyard is Pandora. Wait a minute. I'm saying this about the "Avatards" while I'm perfectly okay with furries doing pretty much the same thing.

Sometimes I worry about the human race. My brain hurts.