NOT AGAIN!

[Thu'um]

Well, today north Korea fired on south Korea for the first time in 20 or so years! South Korea(SK) is talking about retaliting massively, This  puts to play alot of things such as North Korea's Nuclear capablity, China side on the conflict and much more! Sorta scary, huh?

[Kursed]

Naa we here at the usa just use our  b-2's  f-22's and Uav's to BOMB THE  FRIGGEN HECK OUT OF THE BADGUYS!

But seriously i'm not worried there's a reason the Ocean is between us and them.

[Star Fox Runner]

I don't know, all we would need is for citizens from one of the NATO treaty countries to get caught in the crossfire, and then the rest of the world would be dragged into the conflict.

I really don't like the sound of this. The last thing the US or any of the other countries need is to be dragged into another conflict, the economy is in shambles, we couldn't afford it.

[Kursed]

I don't know, all we would need is for citizens from one of the NATO treaty countries to get caught in the crossfire, and then the rest of the world would be dragged into the conflict.

I really don't like the sound of this. The last thing the US or any of the other countries need is to be dragged into another conflict, the economy is in shambles, we couldn't afford it.

Good point.

Throw out your anchors a US carrier group is moving to Korean waters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL3E6MN0SQ20101124?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29

[Robert Monroe]

North Korea seems to pull some dumbass stunt at least once a year. Remember the missle fired into the Pacific? or the sinking of the warship? yeah.

[Sabre]

Good point.

Throw out your anchors a US carrier group is moving to Korean waters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL3E6MN0SQ20101124?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29

America, sticking it's nose in once again.

This stuff happens all the time. I wouldn't worry about it. If there is a war, we will just get a team of 3 highly trained mercs to save the day for about a billion pounds. (is a game reference to Mercenires on PS2, where this exact scenerio happens)

[Robert Monroe]

America, sticking it's nose in once again.

That would be because South Korea is a valuble American ally.

[Guest DRL]

North Korea seems to pull some dumbass stunt at least once a year. Remember the missle fired into the Pacific? or the sinking of the warship? yeah.

Exactly. It is just a way of saying:

"Hey, look at us, we are the bad guys."

Not like anyone really cares.

That would be because South Korea is a valuble American ally.

Actually, yeah. Japan has long abandoned NATO, at least de-facto.

Thus in case a Chino-American conflict arises, South Korea is the only effective

ally on US side... On the Entire Asia theater.

[fox1235]

Does anyone else think theres going to be a Second Cold War.

Yeah U.S. shouldn't go there unless nukes start rainin'.

[Kursed]

Does anyone else think theres going to be a Second Cold War.

Yeah U.S. shouldn't go there unless nukes start rainin'.

little late for that f-35's and super hornets are already  headed tehre.

[fox1235]

little late for that f-35's and super hornets are already  headed tehre.

I'm off to get a nuke shelter.

[Sabre]

Does anyone else think theres going to be a Second Cold War.

Yeah U.S. shouldn't go there unless nukes start rainin'.

As long as it doesnt turn hot it is not a problem. Have you never seen wargames? Or to be more fancy sounding, ever heard the idea that nukes prevent war rather then cause it.

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

As long as it doesnt turn hot it is not a problem. Have you never seen wargames? Or to be more fancy sounding, ever heard the idea that nukes prevent war rather then cause it.

^^^This is exactly why I believe the worst thing that the worst thing that happened during the Cold War was the "ending" of the Cold War. It kept everyone from making the first move, only because they were afraid of there own well being. Honestly, North Korea knows if they don't touch anyone, no one will touch them. Though a game of "chicken" isn't exactly an ideal situation IMO.

[Thu'um]

That would be because South Korea is a valuble American ally.

That and we have a significant amount of troops over there.

North Korea seems to pull some dumbass stunt at least once a year. Remember the missle fired into the Pacific? or the sinking of the warship? yeah.

Ya, the ship was on a island that both North and South claim.

Should i mention that North Korea has nuclear weapon cablities. What I'm worried about is not North Korea its self, because the US and SK forces combind Would crush them in a few days. I worried that China Will back them up again. But the chances of that are less then in the First part of the war.

I'd also like to point out that the Korean war never ended. No Cease fire was ever signed 

[Sabre]

^^^This is exactly why I believe the worst thing that the worst thing that happened during the Cold War was the "ending" of the Cold War. It kept everyone from making the first move, only because they were afraid of there own well being. Honestly, North Korea knows if they don't touch anyone, no one will touch them. Though a game of "chicken" isn't exactly an ideal situation IMO.

As long as no one is killing each other everything is fine.

[Guest DRL]

That and we have a significant amount of troops over there. Ya, the ship was on a island that both North and South claim.

That is because South Korea needs the help to prevent the

North from uber-trololololing them.

Should i mention that North Korea has nuclear weapon cablities. What I'm worried about is not North Korea its self, because the US and SK forces combind Would crush them in a few days. I worried that China Will back them up again. But the chances of that are less then in the First part of the war.

It depends on whatever it is really benefical to China or not.

Eliminating South Korea would mean, effectively, that the US is

left without allies in Asia...

...HOWEVER, it is also the cost that matters. If there are too much

losses in term of prestige, diplomacy, and economy to China,

then they will not back them.

I'd also like to point out that the Korean war never ended. No Cease fire was ever signed 

Already pointed that out.

North Korea are IRL trolls.

["User"]

That is because South Korea needs the help to prevent the

North from uber-trololololing them.

NK will troll regardless, all this is is yet another "oh oh, notice me notice me! I need attention!" from the North which, again, will probably result in concessions.  Some countries need to take a harder stance on the issue and just realize that diplomacy doesn't always work.  Repeating the same thing over and over again with the same results and expecting something different is the definition of insanity. 

Even though South Korea has only have the number of men in their armed forces compared to North Korea they have like...decades more advanced technology.  SK doesn't really need Americas help if it were just those two countries fighting.  America is just there as an additional deterrent.

It depends on whatever it is really benefical to China or not.

Eliminating South Korea would mean, effectively, that the US is

left without allies in Asia...

North Korea is to China what Israel is to America.  Countries get pissed off at America in the Middle East for being the only country to really actively support Israel in that area and it's the same way with China being the only major power in that area to support North Korea.  China doesn't want a war and they will do everything they can to try and prevent a conflict because it will brutalize their economy.  China's economic growth is not sustainable at current levels and if it even slightly drops off markets around the world will feel it.  It's like an economic bubble of sorts.

And without allies in Asian?  Really?  You're forgetting countries like Japan, Australia, Russia....heck most countries in Asia are wanting North Korea to topple.

[Guest DRL]

NK will troll regardless, all this is is yet another "oh oh, notice me notice me! I need attention!" from the North which, again, will probably result in concessions.  Some countries need to take a harder stance on the issue and just realize that diplomacy doesn't always work.  Repeating the same thing over and over again with the same results and expecting something different is the definition of insanity. 

Even though South Korea has only have the number of men in their armed forces compared to North Korea they have like...decades more advanced technology.  SK doesn't really need Americas help if it were just those two countries fighting.  America is just there as an additional deterrent.

Agreed.

North Korea is to China what Israel is to America.  Countries get pissed off at America in the Middle East for being the only country to really actively support Israel in that area and it's the same way with China being the only major power in that area to support North Korea.  China doesn't want a war and they will do everything they can to try and prevent a conflict because it will brutalize their economy.  China's economic growth is not sustainable at current levels and if it even slightly drops off markets around the world will feel it.  It's like an economic bubble of sorts.

Knew it, partly. China is the only provider of military equipment and machinery to North Korea.

As for the war, the Chinesse economy is based on cheap, large-quanity exports. It will not

risk a war against major nations... However it can easily knock-off the map a regime they

do not like (that is aligned with them, that is).

And without allies in Asian?  Really?  You're forgetting countries like Japan, Australia, Russia....heck most countries in Asia are wanting North Korea to topple.

Russia is an USA ally? in what sense?

It will only help the US as long as it furthers it's own agenda.

Japan... It de-facto left NATO. It is not contributing troops or aid.

Frankly the only reason to get Japan to move a finger is to make

something that would affect their economy.

Otherwise, it just does not cares.

Australia... Seriously? Well they can provide bases and such, but

not manpower as they do not have much.

Also do not take the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" statment

too seriously. Basically that was what happened with the Allies and Soviets,

and yet after Germany's fall, they enganged in the Cold War.

["User"]

Russia is an USA ally? in what sense?

In this particular "conflict" that's been going on for decades now.  America and Russia may be arch rivals on other matters but when it comes to North and South Korea Russia has the same interests as the United States in this matter.  They have strongly condemned NK on several occasions and would lean towards the side of South Korea/America should conflict erupt.

It will only help the US as long as it furthers it's own agenda.

This goes without saying but they both have a vested interest in trying to stop North Korea.

Japan... It de-facto left NATO. It is not contributing troops or aid.

Frankly the only reason to get Japan to move a finger is to make

something that would affect their economy.

Otherwise, it just does not cares.

They are a major political player in Asia and in this scenario nonetheless.  They don't need to contribute troops or aid to have a major say in the way things go down in Asia.

Australia... Seriously? Well they can provide bases and such, but

not manpower as they do not have much.

Their ecomony is doing very well compared to most other OECD nations and again, technology is proving to be more and more important in war than just sheer manpower.  In any war in this postmodernist world, I'd take technology over numbers unless, of course, it was ridiculously lopsided which, in this case it isn't.

Also do not take the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" statment

too seriously. Basically that was what happened with the Allies and Soviets,

and yet after Germany's fall, they enganged in the Cold War.

I'm not taking that statement seriously in this case.

[Guest DRL]

In this particular "conflict" that's been going on for decades now.  America and Russia may be arch rivals on other matters but when it comes to North and South Korea Russia has the same interests as the United States in this matter.  They have strongly condemned NK on several occasions and would lean towards the side of South Korea/America should conflict erupt.

This goes without saying but they both have a vested interest in trying to stop North Korea.

Ah, then I misunderstood your statement. I thought you really

called Russia an US ally.

They are a major political player in Asia and in this scenario nonetheless.  They don't need to contribute troops or aid to have a major say in the way things go down in Asia.

I agree, but they will still do so as long as it actually

affects them.

Their ecomony is doing very well compared to most other OECD nations and again, technology is proving to be more and more important in war than just sheer manpower.  In any war in this postmodernist world, I'd take technology over numbers unless, of course, it was ridiculously lopsided which, in this case it isn't.

I am not going to deny it. Australia IS a major player in the

Oceania economic sphere. Heck, we could say "The" major

player of Oceania.

Yet, the problem also lies in how warfare is conducted.

The US has loads of tech. But see how that is helping them

VS. guerrillas... or worse, terrorists ala Taliban.

I'm not taking that statement seriously in this case.

Again I misunderstood your statement. But ok.

["User"]

Yet, the problem also lies in how warfare is conducted.

The US has loads of tech. But see how that is helping them

VS. guerrillas... or worse, terrorists ala Taliban.Again I misunderstood your statement. But ok.

Yeah, tech doesn't help as much against terrorists or other styles of guerrilla warfare.  In contrast they managed to own Iraq pretty quickly/easily back in 2003 using more "traditional" warfare.

[Guest DRL]

Yeah, tech doesn't help as much against terrorists or other styles of guerrilla warfare.  In contrast they managed to own Iraq pretty quickly/easily back in 2003 using more "traditional" warfare.

I have to agree on that one.

[CrypticQuery]

As long as the missiles don't start flying, the rest of the world should be alright.  One day though, I honestly do hope that North Korea leaves its "Cold War" like state, and join with the rest of the world instead of staying isolated and more or less causing hell for the rest of us. 

Honestly though, many of these countries, including allies, simply cannot afford wartime at this moment  O_o

[Star Fox Runner]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101127/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash

Now North Korea are blaming the U.S., saying that we somehow orchestrated their attack so we could move our ships in there.

Seriously? They're blaming us for an attack that they themselves launched? Yes, the wargame was planned for a while, but what do we have to do with this?

We don't want another war, we're already in the middle of one, and our economy is in shambles, we'd be ruined if we were to start another fight, so why would we?

[Guest DRL]

As long as the missiles don't start flying, the rest of the world should be alright.  One day though, I honestly do hope that North Korea leaves its "Cold War" like state, and join with the rest of the world instead of staying isolated and more or less causing hell for the rest of us. 

It could easily do as Cuba. But noooo,

they have to have a Stalinist in power.

Honestly though, many of these countries, including allies, simply cannot afford wartime at this moment 

*Sings*

...If the external debts, stole, our springs,

to-heck with Geography, the borders are over!

*Finishes singing*