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[Sabre]

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http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=9588.msg323652

A while ago I mentioned that the rec room had become a dumping ground where anything of value was burried beneath so much crap that it wasn't worth digging it out. The responce was as if I was an old man shouting at kids for there rave musics and stupid clothes.

While a bit early to say "I told you so" I will say it now so that we can fix this. I told you so!

Xort posted a video of some random spite flash cartoon thing I didn't watch due to me not liking those things. A kind of video normally in a rec room thread or the video thread. As predicted this has instead leaked into the main forum I assume due to the fact no one would watch or comment if in the rec room. While harmless now and little more then "Wrong section" my concern is that it will start a torrent of these crap video threads and then any attempt to control at that point will start drama. (Wah! Why can his video be posted but mine cant! Wah!)

Once again, I propose 2 sticky threads and maybe a posting limit. One thread for memes, sprite cartoons and 'random funny' videos and one for 'regular' and quality videos. Also limit posting to something like 1 or 2 videos a day. This way the dumb people who like memes can post their CDi, Gmod and Youtube poops without burrying everyone elses as well as making them think before they post every link they come across, and grump gusses smart people the rest of us get to have a proper video thread again. Everyone wins, the admin overhead is small, people can still post there crappy memes, people won't have their videos drowned out, it will prevent drama later and we can get the good vids and discussion again.

[Fluxy]

Continued from

http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=9588.msg323652

A while ago I mentioned that the rec room had become a dumping ground where anything of value was burried beneath so much crap that it wasn't worth digging it out. The responce was as if I was an old man shouting at kids for there rave musics and stupid clothes.

While a bit early to say "I told you so" I will say it now so that we can fix this. I told you so!

Xort posted a video of some random spite flash cartoon thing I didn't watch due to me not liking those things. A kind of video normally in a rec room thread or the video thread. As predicted this has instead leaked into the main forum I assume due to the fact no one would watch or comment if in the rec room. While harmless now and little more then "Wrong section" my concern is that it will start a torrent of these crap video threads and then any attempt to control at that point will start drama. (Wah! Why can his video be posted but mine cant! Wah!)

Once again, I propose 2 sticky threads and maybe a posting limit. One thread for memes, sprite cartoons and 'random funny' videos and one for 'regular' and quality videos. Also limit posting to something like 1 or 2 videos a day. This way the dumb people who like memes can post their CDi, Gmod and Youtube poops without burrying everyone elses as well as making them think before they post every link they come across, and grump gusses smart people the rest of us get to have a proper video thread again. Everyone wins, the admin overhead is small, people can still post there crappy memes, people won't have their videos drowned out, it will prevent drama later and we can get the good vids and discussion again.

You know, stating you made an assumption about the video, rather than watching it to at least say you did is not the best thing. Even if you assumed right, that is not the right thing to do.

And good, you told us so.... Feel accomplished? Really, I will state again like in the last thread, since you seem to be almost avoiding it and twisting it, "If you don't like it, don't post in it" referring to threads who you say belong to the "Dumb" people.

The Rec room is for games and little status updates. The lounge is for small things, and those threads usually last a lot less than the ones in the Rec room.

Sometimes people want to talk about funny youtube video's, and series stuff of clips, and that wouldn't make since to put it all in a sticky. At least, not in my mind. Some people really like them, and they have the right to talk about it just the same as others do with a thread about it. Not everyone has the same taste, Saber, and that is partially discriminating anyone who basically disagrees with your taste in you tube videos.

Not to say they should spam video threads, as plain old spamming threads is against the rule, but a small discussion about a video should be allowed to be in the lounge too.

[Sabre]

You know, stating you made an assumption about the video, rather than watching it to at least say you did is not the best thing. Even if you assumed right, that is not the right thing to do.

It's a spirte video, it has jackson in the title, and shows the sprite in a game that isn't moonwalker. I'd guess, having seen tons of this crap over the years, that it's MJ vs another game character that grows into an obsurd brawl? Even so, the content of the video is not the issue. The issue is that the video thread has become so meanless that "Hey look at this video!" is now it's own lounge thread.

"If you don't like it, don't post in it"

Then in that case the forum becomes a group of yes men where any threads that aren't about that get hyjacked. I could put it this way "Why ask a question you don't want the answer to"? Why say something on a public forum you don't want anyone to talk about?

Not everyone has the same taste, Saber, and that is partially discriminating anyone who basically disagrees with your taste in you tube videos.

I can throw this point right back at you. Not everyone likes memes, but they are drowning out all the other videos. I'm not saying take away all memes, but they are causing problems. If you read my op, you will see my concern is that good stuff has to break out to get noticed, and then the tide of memes will follow. How is it fair that a niche group should stop the rest, but fencing off a designated area for the people who don't like that stuff discrimination?

but a small discussion about a video should be allowed to be in the lounge too.

And there's the problem. There is no discussion. "This video is cool" is not disscussion. When someone says they have no interest then 'banning' them from the thread isn't disscussion. Using the video to demonstrate a point or as an example is fine. It's "Dude, check out this sweet vid!" and then posting some meme is the problem.

[Fluxy]

Yes, we get it by now, that what was said by Nova was not needed.

Please, just stay on the topic, as we don't need every member giving a post without much substance, or not even pertaining to the topic at hand.

It's a spirte video, it has jackson in the title, and shows the sprite in a game that isn't moonwalker. I'd guess, having seen tons of this crap over the years, that it's MJ vs another game character that grows into an obsurd brawl? Even so, the content of the video is not the issue. The issue is that the video thread has become so meanless that "Hey look at this video!" is now it's own lounge thread.

Not from what you said earlier.

This way the dumb people who like memes can post their CDi, Gmod and Youtube poops without burrying everyone elses as well as making them think before they post every link they come across, and grump gusses smart people the rest of us get to have a proper video thread again

The content you said did matter. If you haven't noticed, some things become meaningless in time, and is only a sign of change. If you haven't noticed, you are the only one around here that is having a huge problem with it, and not accepting that not every single soul can be pleased.

Then in that case the forum becomes a group of yes men where any threads that aren't about that get hyjacked. I could put it this way "Why ask a question you don't want the answer to"? Why say something on a public forum you don't want anyone to talk about?

That is not what I am saying at all. You make the thread to have a discussion on it, yes? You are not discussing said topics, but merely stating that you find it either to be crap, or completely stupid. That, is not discussion. Expanding on why you feel that way, and being more mature about it is a discussion.

That said, let me expand. If you don't like it, and are just gonna call it crap with no good reason,then don't post in it. I have the feeling you completely missed what I was saying in the first place though.

I can throw this point right back at you. Not everyone likes memes, but they are drowning out all the other videos. I'm not saying take away all memes, but they are causing problems. If you read my op, you will see my concern is that good stuff has to break out to get noticed, and then the tide of memes will follow. How is it fair that a niche group should stop the rest, but fencing off a designated area for the people who don't like that stuff discrimination?

Actually, they are not stopping whatsoever. If you take one moment to look at the unread thread button at the top, you can easily side out all the so called "crap", and things you call "proper". Fencing them off is discrimination, that is out of the question. But they are not stopping you from easily filtering it through. It is really quite simple.

And there's the problem. There is no discussion. "This video is cool" is not discussion. When someone says they have no interest then 'banning' them from the thread isn't disscussion. Using the video to demonstrate a point or as an example is fine. It's "Dude, check out this sweet vid!" and then posting some meme is the problem.

Correct, that isn't discussion, and that is right. On the other hand, I will state again here, you going in and stating something is crap is not discussion either. This is yet again another case of you seem to be the only one who has problems with it. Sure, I would like more input than, "Neat!" and "Cool!" as I get a little upset from when that is all I see for my responses sometimes for my fanfic chapters. But, we keep the thread open, such as my fanfic for example, because some people do try to have a discussion, and go into more detail.

This thread for example. People are just making small snear comments, rather than trying to move this issue along. But because this thread stayed open, you are getting a discussion from someone; the overall purpose of the thread. Although, in this case, you want a change at the end, but discussion comes before that.

["User"]

This topic doesn't belong here.  *Moving*  (also deleted posts that were not constructive)

A while ago I mentioned that the rec room had become a dumping ground where anything of value was burried beneath so much crap that it wasn't worth digging it out. The responce was as if I was an old man shouting at kids for there rave musics and stupid clothes.

Even if this was unanimously true (it's subjective depending who you ask with regard to being "crap") I don't see how exactly this is a problem if it's entirely confined to the Rec Room. 

Xort posted a video of some random spite flash cartoon thing I didn't watch due to me not liking those things. A kind of video normally in a rec room thread or the video thread. As predicted this has instead leaked into the main forum I assume due to the fact no one would watch or comment if in the rec room.

I'd probably make this same assumption as well.

While harmless now and little more then "Wrong section" my concern is that it will start a torrent of these crap video threads and then any attempt to control at that point will start drama. (Wah! Why can his video be posted but mine cant! Wah!)

The rules need to be more clear cut.  The problem is that there are people who think their videos or links might "one up" everyone else's.  However, I don't believe that all videos should be posted in the video thread(s) and that some videos actually have enough merit depending on certain circumstances to justify having an entirely new topic made for them.  What videos would constitute this "right" however would be very subjective as well and it might be in the best interest to have more black and white rules to simplify matters.

Once again, I propose 2 sticky threads and maybe a posting limit. One thread for memes, sprite cartoons and 'random funny' videos and one for 'regular' and quality videos. Also limit posting to something like 1 or 2 videos a day.

This way the dumb people who like memes can post their CDi, Gmod and Youtube poops without burrying everyone elses as well as making them think before they post every link they come across, and grump gusses smart people the rest of us get to have a proper video thread again. Everyone wins, the admin overhead is small, people can still post there crappy memes, people won't have their videos drowned out, it will prevent drama later and we can get the good vids and discussion again.

Sounds feasible, it will be discussed.

In the case of Sabre and Nick's discussion, Sabre has some very valid points that need to be looked into and while I definitely see Nick's POV I still think there should be some more organization when it comes to videos.  Personally, I don't like viewing spammy or more "cheapskate" videos and would much prefer watching something "that adds more value".

[Steve]

EDIT: Well, actually, it's something meant to get a discussion, soo I guess it's fine where it was

Also, Sabre, you don't need to be an ass. Point taken tho.

[Fluxy]

(also deleted posts that were not constructive)

Thank you for that, User.

Sounds feasible, it will be discussed.

In the case of Sabre and Nick's discussion, Sabre has some very valid points that need to be looked into and while I definitely see Nick's POV I still think there should be some more organization when it comes to videos.  Personally, I don't like viewing spammy or more "cheapskate" videos and would much prefer watching something "that adds more value".

I don't mind organization, that is plenty fine; I am all for that. I just don't think all the little meme's and such need to be in a Sticky, rather that and just let them stay in at least the rec room with their own threads, if people wish to make one for a particular one. That is much more organized than all the videos jammed into one or two threads.

[Steve]

Also Sabre, in case you have a forum suggestion and you fear it's going to be overlooked by the community, by all means, pm your ideas to me.

[DZComposer]

Just because you don't like YTPs doesn't mean we should censor them. 

If those that frequent the rec room wish to consolidate the YTPs, fine, but you don't get to tell them to do so. They are not violating any rules nor are the off topic in the thread they are currently in.

Of course you are also more than welcome to create your own "Funny vids that aren't YTPs" thread.

[Sabre]

There seems to be a slight confusion I will clear up now.

I am NOT asking meme videos to be banned.

What I am CONCERNED about is said memes overflowing into other boards.

I am SUGGESTING an idea (and possable discussion and alturnitives) that SOME segrogation and/or restriction be put on them to stop that from happening.

Back to the topic

Actually, they are not stopping whatsoever. If you take one moment to look at the unread thread button at the top, you can easily side out all the so called "crap", and things you call "proper".

I disagree. As I said, the flood of memes has gotten to the point where anything of value require to much filtering. Should anything of worth appear it would be impossable to hold a discussion about it because it would be burried under more memes.

Even if this was unanimously true (it's subjective depending who you ask with regard to being "crap") I don't see how exactly this is a problem if it's entirely confined to the Rec Room. 

Agreed. I can live without a video thread. My concern is that these things will spill over and infect the rest of the forum much like the RP drama back in the day. By the time it becomes a problem it would be hard to undo.

I don't mind organization, that is plenty fine; I am all for that. I just don't think all the little meme's and such need to be in a Sticky, rather that and just let them stay in at least the rec room with their own threads, if people wish to make one for a particular one. That is much more organized than all the videos jammed into one or two threads.

That's why I suggested 2. One sticky for memes like the current video topic, and one that is not memes. People can start their own threads no problem.

[Xortberg]

There seems to be a slight confusion I will clear up now.

I am NOT asking meme videos to be banned.

What I am CONCERNED about is said memes overflowing into other boards.

I am SUGGESTING an idea (and possable discussion and alturnitives) that SOME segrogation and/or restriction be put on them to stop that from happening.

Whether that's the case or not, you're being quite... abrasive about it, and your previous posts at least make it seem like you were, if you'll forgive the insult, douching it up pretty hard. Perhaps being a bit more tactful would get more members to take your suggestions seriously.

Back to the topic

I disagree. As I said, the flood of memes has gotten to the point where anything of value require to much filtering. Should anything of worth appear it would be impossable to hold a discussion about it because it would be burried under more memes.

Quite the contrary. I rarely, if ever, see memes popping up where they don't belong. One or two of the members at least used to have a bad habit of derailing topics with them, but a few scoldings and they stopped, as far as I'm aware.

Agreed. I can live without a video thread. My concern is that these things will spill over and infect the rest of the forum much like the RP drama back in the day. By the time it becomes a problem it would be hard to undo.

That's why I suggested 2. One sticky for memes like the current video topic, and one that is not memes. People can start their own threads no problem.

I think we can all agree we need to avoid another incident like the RP issue, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. As I said, there's really very few instances when meme videos and references are an issue, and trying to segregate something like this could cause more problems than just letting it run its course. We would need to draw a line between what was allowed where, and that would really just cause tension.

[Sabre]

I think we can all agree we need to avoid another incident like the RP issue, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. As I said, there's really very few instances when meme videos and references are an issue, and trying to segregate something like this could cause more problems than just letting it run its course. We would need to draw a line between what was allowed where, and that would really just cause tension.

I disagree. At present, it's possable to stop this problem before it get's started while keeping things friendly. A simple "Keep your memes in the rec room or threads where they are relivent" and maybe a couple of sticky threads. 1 thread consisting of 2 videos has been allowed through of (what I assume is) the old crossover sprite battle meme that got a fair few views and attention.

If this opens the floodgates the forum will become clogged with meme threads trying to get attention. It might not, but if it does shutting it down will not be friendly. My suggestion imo is a win-win situation. No action leads to a possiblity of memes flooding other areas in a desperate bid for attention and drama over what is and isn't allowed. Taking action now, worst case scenario is a couple of posts by staff that serve little purpose.

EDIT: I should point out that expecting self control didn't work for the RP board, or the art board.

[Fluxy]

EDIT: I should point out that expecting self control didn't work for the RP board, or the art board.

Yeah yeah, Saber, you have pointed the such out enough. We don't need it repeated again.

At one point though, we will have to just rely on self control, because that is the only way sometimes that things can grow. Not now, but at one point.

[Milkyway64]

EDIT: I should point out that expecting self control didn't work for the RP board, or the art board.

It... didn't?

[Fluxy]

It... didn't?

He means the first time, Milky. This time there just aren't a lot of RP'ing going on. Which, doesn't make it crap, Saber. The RP section is fine now, and even has plenty of room to improve.

[Milkyway64]

I also mean the art section, too. Anything that goes on there stayed, and that's not even drama. Only what belongs there.

And don't bring up the past, because if it's fine now, expecting self control DID help, quite obviously.

[Steve]

This topic has rage mode all written over it, so unless another staff member wants to take responsibility for the well being of this topic, I'm going to lock it out to save us some drama