Possible Star Fox movie. Spread the word.

[Xortberg]

the point, is that there isn't to much of a point in arguing about Heavily about something thats likely going to Become just a movie Styled Fanfiction. That's my point in the response anyway. The term used in the quote points that Putting alot of effort into and Argument on something like a forum is going to result in nothing....

In that vein, there's no reason to post about it at all, since it won't change anything.

And for the Record, I wasn't in the argument to begin with. So I'm pretty sure i'm not losing at anything.

And if you'd so kindly read my damned post,

or has some condescending attitude towards a simple debate.

See, I also gave a second reason. One which seems to fit your actions here quite nicely, although in hindsight I should replace debate in this segment with discussion.

And Why I'm even saying this? is so none of us get the Banhammer and Dz Doesn't get to stressed out again within a 24 hour period of time...

DZ doesn't ban without warning first, so that's not a worry. And I don't think discussion in a topic is grounds for banning, or stress, for that matter. An appreciable effort, but overall a pointless one, and the way you worded it just made you sound like you think you're better than us. Which is douchey.

[DZComposer]

Guys, there will ALWAYS be differences between film adaptations and their original stories.

Take Jurassic Park, for instance. In the original book, Dr. Hammond, the creator of the park, tries to move on and continues with his plans to open the park after the incident. That is until he falls and is injured, and subsequently eaten by Procompsognathus dinosaurs. In the movie, he leaves the park with Dr. Grant and co and lives on, fighting to keep the park secret and left to the dinosaurs alone. That's a pretty big change. Did that ruin the move? No.

The changes Rathore has proposed to the SF story are MUCH less than that one. And they're not off-the-wall, nonsensical changes like the one Milky mentioned.

Also, Katt is a very minor character in the series. This movie could be done without her. I think Rathore wants to use her and Falco as the love story instead of wading into the Fox and Krystal or Fox and Fara shitstorm.

Seeing how some of you reacted to Katt and Falco, makes me dearly concerned about how you would have reacted if this project picked sides in the Krystal debate.

[Falcory]

Katt only said that as a reward if you saved her, and she always was a little flirty with boys, this isn't something new. Just because she said that to Fox doesn't mean that she had an eye for him, she always looked out for Falco and no one else, that's why she wants to join StarFox - To be near him.

You know, the MANGA of StarFox "Farewell, beloved Falco" nearly showed the true personalities of the characters, even Katt's personality got deeper into the act. A MANGA is an official comic that was hired by a company with a strict storyboard concept, a DOUJINSHI was created by a fan without the storyboard from an official company. So in fact "Farewell, beloved Falco" was created by Nintendo and shows the real relationship about Katt and Falco, it's an official plot and not created by a fan.

In the Flashback part Katt told Falco that she has a crush on him, and he told her that he isn't her "lovebird". Katt is sassy, likes to flirt with guys and also can be really serious - those are reactions/behaviours that weren't very much seen in the games before, but it all was shown in the MANGA. Didn't she said that she found someone who is really important to her in the MANGA? Yes, but it wasn't Falco anymore, it was a blue cat boy that got called COOL by some fans.

The MANGA brought depth into Katt's and Falco's personalities AND into their relationship. Just because this event never happened in a game doesn't mean that this is "just a story", as long as NINTENDO had something to do with the storyboard of this MANGA it's an OFFICIAL fact. Otherwise you couldn't see a "© NINTENDO" on the cover of the MANGA.

So NINTENDO was seriously trying to place the relationship between Falco and Katt into the spotlight to make people understand that they do care about each other as friends (though Katt is trying to catch his attention in COMMAND again). Fact is both characters got very much into the spotlight in this MANGA adaption and their personalities got worked over, so we don't need a drama-llama-love-story between those two in a "movie".

That's all I have to say about this Falco/Katt dilemma here. Nuff said.

Okay. I officially love you. lol

And if there isn't enough material to decide whether or not the movie will be good then there's most definitely not enough info to tell if the characters are going to be portrayed accurately. Production and actors and other such things aside and focusing only on plot, characters are extremely important to the quality of a literary work, and if there's enough information to tell if the characters are going to be good or not then it's pretty safe to make a rough guess of how good the movie's going to be.

Actually no. He already told the story in the summary of some of the characters, so we know what direction he's taking them in. So there is enough. What there isn't enough of is the other aspects of the movie that would tell us if the movie would be good as a whole.

Maybe so, but we're talking SF:64 here, and unless you provide sources for a person who knows absolutely nothing about these other media then you can just stop that argument right there. Evidence, bro. You needs it.

.....What? What evidence for what? Falco and Katt have been in other media such as the FbF manga and Starfox Command. Why in the world would I have to present this as evidence?

No. No no no. Tell me, is it good to make an RP character whose only selling point is that he's a jerk? What about one who only works with machines and that's it? Characters in any media - books, television, movies, whatever - need to be more than just one dimensional. I know I'm dipping into personal preference here, but for an oft-repeated example of mine, I love Digimon, with one exception: season 4. The characters were just a stereotype given an avatar and badly written dialogue. In a game, like SF, that's okay, since gameplay is the main selling point of games. This is literary, though. This needs depth.

Again......what? Dude we're not even talking about this. As a matter of fact I'm gonna just start ignoring posts that start sending this topic into nonsense because it's getting no one nowhere and I'm really getting tired of even discussing it when it's not even in harmony with the topic at hand.

The source material is coming from the entire SF canon, hopefully. SF:64 alone has nowhere near enough personality development for a movie. The events are based on the events in 64, but the characters existed, in-universe, of course, before that. There was more to them than what is seen in the games, like - and you might think I'm a bit crazy for even suggesting this - a PAST. You know, those things everyone has? Events that happened to them in the past tense and helped to define who that person is? Like how a boy who is orphaned by an evil warlord is shaped by that event into a vengeance-fueled killing machine? Yeah, Katt and Falco have those. They might even be a bit different than what you envisioned them to be, too! And they need one to be believable in their interaction. That means using more than just SF:64. Hell, it even means claiming artistic license and using a little bit of interpretation. Just because Falco and Katt have a past you don't like doesn't mean it's badly portraying their personalities; it's making their personalities more believable by giving them past experience to draw on to determine their actions.

This is slightly more on topic.

of course Falco and Katt have a past. the problem with the past that Irwin came up with is inconsistent with the actual SF64 game. To put it shortly, if Katt thought Falco murdered her brother and he "FELT" he had to win her back, she would not have been flirtatious and he would have readily been more anxious to get attention from her. It's not the idea of giving them a past that's the problem, it's the PAST he gave them.

What does this prove? Wasn't it ME on the side arguing the two had a potential relationship?

You were. But if you had read her posts she says it "didn't" mean she had an eye for Fox because she was "flirty". Meanwhile your theory was that if she flirted with Falco and liked him that she must have liked Fox with a follow up of dull sarcasm.

And? You know what else is official? Katt's fur color going from pink to grey in command, and that is more official than MANGAs. Her personality was a bit different too, so I guess Command Katt retcons that Manga adaptation right out of here.

This was later on, and fur color change isn't an inconsistency seeing as it could have been easily dyed. But what's more, I really didn't see a difference in her personality from her 64 and comic version so I'm thinking that's your personal interpretation again. (now if you wanna talk about Krystal..... ) 

The point is, there was never any debate about how canon this fan film is, only that the interpretation it brings is interesting and not too damaging to the source material. I don't particularly care if you know the words describing the two, it was never in doubt.

You're right. There wasn't. We were talking about how the character's personalities were being thrown off track. But thanks again for de-railing us.

And THIS is what I've been arguing this whole time. THERE IS MORE TO KATT THAN BEING FLIRTY, and this fanfilm NEEDS to explore on that to not have her character bomb. If it's not strictly, 100% compatible with every little line she's said, only you care. Mangas are often retconned to hell anyway by visual media adaptations for entertainment's sake. As it seems, the only difference between this always emphasized, all caps MANGA and this fanfilm is it doesn't have the nintendo liscense on it, are you saying that if it gets greenlighted that will change?

None of us would have a problem with this. The only thing that's a bother, is the inconsistency.

And actually with remakes some things do change. Such as the Tomb Raider series. But even then I hardly see character personalities change.

And just out of curiosity, why has this debate escalated to this? The whole thing started with me just giving my opinion which I might add, hasn't changed. So if any of you are carrying this on, in some attempt to  change my mind, you might as well stop wasting your time.

*clear's throat...*

'Argueing on the internet, is like playing in the Special Olympic's.

Even if you win... You're still retarded..

Well said.

[Milkyway64]

You were. But if you had read her posts she says it "didn't" mean she had an eye for Fox because she was "flirty". Meanwhile your theory was that if she flirted with Falco and liked him that she must have liked Fox with a follow up of dull sarcasm.

That isn't what I mean. A while ago, you were all screaming "THEY ARE LIKE BROTHER AND SISTER" while NOW youpoint out that she has a specific interest in Falco.

This was later on, and fur color change isn't an inconsistency seeing as it could have been easily dyed. But what's more, I really didn't see a difference in her personality from her 64 and comic version so I'm thinking that's your personal interpretation again. (now if you wanna talk about Krystal..... ) 

"It could have been dyed" is a weak arguement and is more fan speculation in the same vein as her past. There is a bit of a change, especially if Ohedge up there just mentioned that she changed her disposition toward Falco again.

You're right. There wasn't. We were talking about how the character's personalities were being thrown off track. But thanks again for de-railing us.

It wasn't a derailment. It was a specific address to Ohedge's concern of canon. If it was a derailment, she's the one that bended the track.

None of us would have a problem with this. The only thing that's a bother, is the inconsistency.

And actually with remakes some things do change. Such as the Tomb Raider series. But even then I hardly see character personalities change.

Which again, there IS NO INCONSISTENCY. Katt and Falco are very scarcely explored. We know nothing besides a few quirks. Falco's past especially is hinted at being dark and unexplained for a reason. It all fits, it just doesn't EXACTLY as you want it to, as it'd have to bend one or two things that were mentioned maybe once. Also, see DZ's post.

And just out of curiosity, why has this debate escalated to this? The whole thing started with me just giving my opinion which I might add, hasn't changed. So if any of you are carrying this on, in some attempt to  change my mind, you might as well stop wasting your time.

Because that's what happens when you discuss things, and it's ESPECIALLY what happens when some people go off ranting and yelling and berating the movie over minimal problems like they have the authority on what does and doesn't work in a work of fiction that does not belong to them.

[Xortberg]

Okay. I officially love you. lol

Actually no. He already told the story in the summary of some of the characters, so we know what direction he's taking them in. So there is enough. What there isn't enough of is the other aspects of the movie that would tell us if the movie would be good as a whole.

When deciding if a movie will be good - especially if it's still in its infancy - we look at premise and plot and other such literary things. It isn't until the production is greenlighted that we start worrying about production aspects, so at this point, if we know where this guy's going plotwise, then we have a pretty good idea of whether or not the movie will be good.

.....What? What evidence for what? Falco and Katt have been in other media such as the FbF manga and Starfox Command. Why in the world would I have to present this as evidence?

The manga is relatively obscure material, since one would have to be pretty deeply entrenched in the fanbase for something to care about something like that. Likewise, whether it's common knowledge or not, examples are given when making a statement, so as to back your point up and make you more believable. You would present evidence in the form of examples.

Again......what? Dude we're not even talking about this. As a matter of fact I'm gonna just start ignoring posts that start sending this topic into nonsense because it's getting no one nowhere and I'm really getting tired of even discussing it when it's not even in harmony with the topic at hand.

Only it's very relevant to the topic. Again, if people would start reading my God damned posts in their entirety instead of just skimming them and saying "Lol, he's dumb" we wouldn't have these kinds of problems. The RP character example was just that: an example. It was meant to prove to you that, contrary to your claim that:

But really this one-sided thing you're bringing up, isn't something that's worth talking about. That's something you bring up if you're talking about someone in reality.

Having deep, multifaceted characters is fucking important in literature, unless you are deliberately going for a flat character. This, of course, is mostly done for satirical purposes, though, so it has no place in a movie about Star Fox.

This is slightly more on topic.

of course Falco and Katt have a past. the problem with the past that Irwin came up with is inconsistent with the actual SF64 game. To put it shortly, if Katt thought Falco murdered her brother and he "FELT" he had to win her back, she would not have been flirtatious and he would have readily been more anxious to get attention from her. It's not the idea of giving them a past that's the problem, it's the PAST he gave them.

Only it isn't inconsistent with the game. Why? Because the game had no depth or anything to begin with. It was a bunch of stereotypes given avatars and rather badly written dialogue. It got away with it by being a game where you fly a spaceship and blow shit up, but this is a movie. It has no interactive portions, so it needs depth and the characters need to go beyond what very, very little personality the game gave them.

And just out of curiosity, why has this debate escalated to this? The whole thing started with me just giving my opinion which I might add, hasn't changed. So if any of you are carrying this on, in some attempt to  change my mind, you might as well stop wasting your time.

It's not to try and change your mind. To be honest, I'm only getting this into it because:

A) You seem to apparently know nothing where literature is concerned, as you believe the personalities created in SF:64 (despite the fact that there were no personalities in SF:64) would make for a good movie

and

B) I am fucking sick of people just dismissing my posts as "Off-topic" and assuming they're worthless because they aren't immediately fucking relevant. Just because an example doesn't ooze the original post's very essence doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It just means you have to actually fucking read the post and take it in the context it was given.

[DZComposer]

Here is why pointing at the comics is dangerous.

FBF is contradicted by an NOE-commissioned comic done for Star Fox 64 when it comes to Katt and Falco. In this German comic, Falco is at first annoyed by her, but in the end appears to go with her.

Katt saves the team from a trap set by Pigma and Oikonny on Solar. Falco isn't happy about it, but seems a but more embarrassed that his teammates now know of the relationship. He tells her to let them go so Pigma and Andrew won't kill her, but she saves them anyway. At the end of the comic, Pepper offers to make Fox Minister of Defense. Fox declines, saying he wants to be near the action. Falco agrees, also saying "And I've got a lovely little kitty waiting for me."

I have a set of translated scans of this comic, but they are of too-poor quality to put on SFO. Sadly, I do not know what it was originally published in.

So, in one comic she doesn't go with Falco, and in another she does.

Because of this, these comic-adaptations are no more canon that this film would be.

[Falcory]

That isn't what I mean. A while ago, you were all screaming "THEY ARE LIKE BROTHER AND SISTER" while NOW youpoint out that she has a specific interest in Falco.

.....I never yelled this. Now you're putting words in my mouth it seems.

Because that's what happens when you discuss things, and it's ESPECIALLY what happens when some people go off ranting and yelling and berating the movie over minimal problems like they have the authority on what does and doesn't work in a work of fiction that does not belong to them.

Again never ranted, and I never said the guy didn't have a right to do what he's doing. I simply said i didn't quite feel good about it, and expressed my opinions. If you guys want to get ticked off because I don't "like it".....well I really don't know what to say about that, that's your problem.

It's not to try and change your mind. To be honest, I'm only getting this into it because:

A) You seem to apparently know nothing where literature is concerned, as you believe the personalities created in SF:64 (despite the fact that there were no personalities in SF:64) would make for a good movie

and

B) I am fucking sick of people just dismissing my posts as "Off-topic" and assuming they're worthless because they aren't immediately fucking relevant. Just because an example doesn't ooze the original post's very essence doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It just means you have to actually fucking read the post and take it in the context it was given.

I do believe most of said statement expressed in A) and that is virtually the only reason I see why you guys are freaking out. (Btw chill out man)

Look, it was my opinion and I just said why I had bad feelings about the movie. Want to hate me for it or judge me? Go ahead. But I'm done. I'm not gonna stick around here and keep arguing needlessly when I have way better things to do. I don't like the movie idea at the moment. If something changes in it later on, my mind might change, but for now it's made up.

Guys, there will ALWAYS be differences between film adaptations and their original stories.

Take Jurassic Park, for instance. In the original book, Dr. Hammond, the creator of the park, tries to move on and continues with his plans to open the park after the incident. That is until he falls and is injured, and subsequently eaten by Procompsognathus dinosaurs. In the movie, he leaves the park with Dr. Grant and co and lives on, fighting to keep the park secret and left to the dinosaurs alone. That's a pretty big change. Did that ruin the move? No.

The changes Rathore has proposed to the SF story are MUCH less than that one. And they're not off-the-wall, nonsensical changes like the one Milky mentioned.

Also, Katt is a very minor character in the series. This movie could be done without her. I think Rathore wants to use her and Falco as the love story instead of wading into the Fox and Krystal or Fox and Fara shitstorm.

Seeing how some of you reacted to Katt and Falco, makes me dearly concerned about how you would have reacted if this project picked sides in the Krystal debate.

The problem is with that DZ is that the film adaptations always change the source and they end up stinking a really good movie. Just because it happened with one or two movies that turned out successful doesn't mean that it's a winning method. As a matter of fact there are MORE examples of things that deviated from the source, and ended up being flops. But anyways like you say "If you don't like it , don't watch it" which I plan on doing from what I've seen so far. So just to let you know in case you may wonder why I or others won't run around trying our hardest to give this fanfilm support.

[DZComposer]

The problem is with that DZ is that the film adaptations always change the source and they end up stinking a really good movie. Just because it happened with one or two movies that turned out successful doesn't mean that it's a winning method. As a matter of fact there are MORE examples of things that deviated from the source, and ended up being flops. But anyways like you say "If you don't like it , don't watch it" which I plan on doing from what I've seen so far. So just to let you know in case you may wonder why I or others won't run around trying our hardest to give this fanfilm support.

You'd be surprised at how many of the big films over the years have actually been adaptations. Finding even just one that is 100% faithful to it's original source is a tall order, if not impossible.

The ones that suck are the ones that make stupid, nonsensical changes, a-la the Super Mario Bros. movie.

[Milkyway64]

.....I never yelled this. Now you're putting words in my mouth it seems.

Again never ranted, and I never said the guy didn't have a right to do what he's doing. I simply said i didn't quite feel good about it, and expressed my opinions. If you guys want to get ticked off because I don't "like it".....well I really don't know what to say about that, that's your problem.

Keep in mind that you spoke for Ohedge. She DID do all those things.

[Fredryk Phox]

Yeah, I think the only way you could make a legitimate Star Fox cartoon without changing or adding stuff to the story, would be to make it like a kids' adventure cartoon show, where everything always goes back to normal at the end of each episode.

[Zzz]

Yeah, I think the only way you could make a legitimate Star Fox cartoon without changing or adding stuff to the story, would be to make it like a kids' adventure cartoon show, where everything always goes back to normal at the end of each episode.

The discussion here is not IF there should be changes but WHAT they are and how they play out.

But you know what? That kids show idea isn't really that of a bad idea, actually. Heh.

I'd love to see some Looney Tunes action up in this bitch!

[Lord Asriel]

This debate is going out of post proportion, I can't even read the whole damn thing.

[Zzz]

I hear ya, bro.

That's all folks!

[Falcory]

You'd be surprised at how many of the big films over the years have actually been adaptations. Finding even just one that is 100% faithful to it's original source is a tall order, if not impossible.

The ones that suck are the ones that make stupid, nonsensical changes, a-la the Super Mario Bros. movie.

The discussion here is not IF there should be changes but WHAT they are and how they play out.

Right this.

I don't have a problem with small changes. Like I stated before none of the small stuff really bothered me. I really even understood the change he made with Peppy being the commander and all. BUT the Falco and Katt scenario just seems not only of character but it seems unnecessary as well.  And that's the kind of thing it starts with before deviating even more serious things.

Just to clarify, lemme give you an example. I love the current Spiderman movie franchise. Did they make changes? Sure. Spiderman can't shoot webs naturally, Green Goblin's outfit was way different, Dr Conners had an arm missing, Peter Parker was really in love with Gwen Stacy at first.......I could go on and on.

But none of these were unnecessary changes, as a matter of fact they were sensible changes. I mean Peter was half-friggen spider. Why WOULDN'T he be able to shoot webs naturally instead of having to don some little toy webshooters? Just like the "Commander Peppy" situation. I may not really like it at first, but it's an understandable change.

The Falco and Katt idea simply isn't. Like you mentioned DZ Katt was simply a side character. So all this talk of needing to add that scenario to make the movie interesting isn't really true. A simple "She likes him, but does he like her?" plotline is really all that's needed and it's not something that's RANDOMLY added that was never seen in ANY media. It's close to the source material. Not exact, but CLOSE. And that really all fans ask. Not an exact tall straight order. 

But you know what? That kids show idea isn't really that of a bad idea, actually. Heh.

I'd love to see some Looney Tunes action up in this bitch!

.............I lol'ed. XD

[Milkyway64]

The Falco and Katt idea simply isn't. Like you mentioned DZ Katt was simply a side character. So all this talk of needing to add that scenario to make the movie interesting isn't really true. A simple "She likes him, but does he like her?" plotline is really all that's needed and it's not something that's RANDOMLY added that was never seen in ANY media. It's close to the source material. Not exact, but CLOSE. And that really all fans ask. Not an exact tall straight order. 

Still sounds like personal taste to me. I'll admit; I haven't read the storyboard myself, but is there really a problem with promoting Katt to a bigger role?

I again cite DZ's post to strike down purists claims that Falco probably doesn't like Katt and that this sort of plotline is feasible and even supported, vaguely by the games, and more through the comic.

The discussion here is not IF there should be changes but WHAT they are and how they play out.

But you know what? That kids show idea isn't really that of a bad idea, actually. Heh.

It sounded like "if" to me. The entire center of discussion, or so I've believed up to this point, was expressly over if they should use some artistic license or stick 100% to the canon, which I and few others have argued would be impossible to do if the movie was to be any interesting.

And yes, a kid's show would be nice, but that's a different story. Star Fox itself is like a saturday morning cartoon with it's cheesy dialogue, (mostly) bright visuals, and lots of explosions, so it'd fit. But, this is a fan film, which is much less episodic.

[Zzz]

It sounded like "if" to me. The entire center of discussion, or so I've believed up to this point, was expressly over if they should use some artistic license or stick 100% to the canon

aha. Well no, there was some misunderstanding involved then. it's ok, bro.

Ima quote myself here from another thread about... well... let's just say about something different, but I'm sure it will demonstrate you what my position is:

but I hope it’s understandable that a more sophisticated approach is better for a movie. I mean, when we take out the gameplay, the only thing that’s left IS the story. And unquestionably, that story must evolve to having a more complex structure. In the same sense we can’t leave the characters untouched as they are right now.

Now this can go anywhere but to clear it up once and for all: No, it's not about the "if"

are you cool with that?

[Milkyway64]

Of course I am, but I was never really onto you or Falcory that much. You guys had the tact to say "Hey, this love story thing doesn't suit my tastes, wouldn't it be better if they did something else?"

While I personally like the direction they want to go in, I can respect that not everyone will like it. Ohedge, however, went balls to the walls gung ho, and started using very strong words and even outright refused to call it a movie with a straight face all because it didn't follow her fanon/the actual canon to a T.

[Zzz]

OH! Heh...I think I see now...

Don’t worry, man:

Saphiria had nothing against you PERSONALLY.

Like some others, she doesn’t agree with the ideas implemented in the script.

However, it might've been the thread title, which basically and LITERALLY demands to “spread the word” and thus postulates you immediately LIKE the project no matter what the content.

Don’t get me wrong here bro, it’s all a matter of having different perceptions of these kind of words. While I don’t like…almost anything presented yet, I’m not speaking here for myself.

I just want to clarify her position, is that ok?

Lemme talk about MY views here for a sec. I won’t go into too much detail, I’ll just scratch the surface of what I don’t like about this whole thing.

The presented script FEELS to me like the first idea for a sketchy first draft, which is based on a mediocre vision. That definitely sounds harsh, but try to understand where I’m coming from.

From what I can see this is just another “hero (or anti-hero, we can’t tell right now) wants to avenge his father”-story. It can easily be more than what we know from the games, you guys would agree with me there, huh?

BUT it just doesn’t seem like the revolutionary video-game movie that Rathwhore is striving for.

TO ME.

It does not…to me.

It might be more complex if the center of the chaos would be Pigma Dengar. You know the one, who betrayed Fox’ father. He’s not the main boss in the games but at least it would be a more complicated conflict and a bit more…personal to Fox.

In his movie it seems like Andross is TOTALLY out of his mind, like he doesn’t even know what he’s doing he just wants to be THE BAWSS. So I guess Pigma is the real swine here, eh? He deliberately betrayed a friend for…whatever. Tho, that makes him a lot more evil in this project’s perspective.

I’m not trying to shove this idea in your face or anything, coz not only doesn’t it necessarily make the project a whole lot more innovative but it can easily turn out to be the clichéd avenge-story.

It can go anywhere, yes. But the basics of that are more interesting to me.

Personally, I’d like to see a movie concentrating on Fox and Wolf’s relationship. (no, you got that wrong, yaoi-fans) Their rivalry, their backgrounds, you catch my drift.

But it seems Starwolf is scrapped altogether in this project. So yeah…

Why am I complaining about this anyway? Because naturally as a fan I want an official movie to be the best it can possible be. My sense of what makes a good Starfox movie easily differs from fan A’s or fan B’s. That’s outta the question.

I get the feeling I can’t stress this enough: This is MY view, MY opinion. I’m an easy going guy, actually if you know me so chances are… I’m totally OK with YOUR views. No matter how much I disagree with them or how boring, etc etc, I think they are.

But if we talk about a project from a guy who wants to make the best video game movie ever….I expect more. Even if his characters were more dimensional than the iterations we know from the games, doesn’t mean they’re GOOD per se. I’m not REALLY  implying anyone in this thread thinks so but I can see plenty of fans seeing it that way, which really saddens me.

I judge this project upon the presented script. The movie is trying to be the best movie based on a video game and “what the audience wants”

I am part of the audience. And I don’t want this.

I am ready to answer comprehension questions about my post and to move this thread into a more interesting direction.

I don’t want my post to start another pointless debate, so whoever is going to reply to this…please keep it cool and laid-back. Cut the sarcasm and strong language when trying to get a point across.

And guys don’t try to prove my opinions wrong…not only doesn’t it work by definition but this will create another poisoned atmosphere.

[Falcory]

You know R3 brought out an interesting point that I hadn't even really thought about......

Starwolf isn't in the movie. 

Or as far as we know anyways.

How does someone cut them out of a Starfox Movie? One that's partially based on 64 at that? Seemingly more of Fox's and Wolf's past would be interesting to have explored.....as a matter of fact if Wolf was blaming Fox for killing HIS brother (or family member) instead, that would make a helluva lotta sense. It's almost like Katt and Falco got the wrong script. lol

[Zzz]

Doesn't sound too shabby, actually....

[Scott7]

Though I'm not %100 sure Fox would kill someone without a decent reason...  :?

[Falcory]

Though I'm not %100 sure Fox would kill someone without a decent reason... 

No no. We're talking about Wolf BLAMING Fox for his errrrrr brother's, mother's or  father's death. lol Not that Fox actually DID kill someone but Wolf thinks he did.

[Scott7]

No no. We're talking about Wolf BLAMING Fox for his errrrrr brother's, mother's or  father's death. lol Not that Fox actually DID kill someone but Wolf thinks he did.

Just supposing.... And Yeah, I don't really think Falco would've killed a Relative of Kat either.

[Falconman]

haha what now punk sissis!!!! i told u!!!! i told u!!!! u emporerflylat, riccofox,ect.

ok ill spread it......EVERYWHERE!!!!

(im talkin kongregate, youtube, roblox, tell all mah friends, ect.)

[Lord Asriel]

Fox and Falco killed thousand of peoples during the different battles they led, unless you suck at starfox and achieve a score of 0 in all levels.

They are mass murderers, and do it for a living.

/thread.