ballisticwaffles Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Pantheocide: Noun: English: The Systematic obliteration of a Religion's God.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSalvationWarIn the story, The Judeo/Christian god declairs Heavon to be off limits and damnes everyone to go to hell. Some people resist, others lay down and accept their fates. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ballisticwaffles Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Attempting to explain it would not do the story justice, but i assure you it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Greek gods aren't immortal, they could be killed, just never died of natural causes. And goddesses were mortal women who were taken to Mt. Olympus by the gods as brides, and given domain. First goddess to be born a goddess I know of is Aphrodite, who was born when Zeus had a horrible headache, causing him to slam his head into the side of Olympus itself, and Hephaestus cracked his skull open with his smithing hammer to put him out of his misery, and Zeus's blood flowed into the Aegean sea, and Aphrodite walked out of the bloody waters. Of course that's just one telling of Greek Mythology. There are several variations of every story, one alternative for Aphrodite's birth was that she was born from Uranus's castrated testicles being thrown into the sea. But it was known for Gods to die in some versions of Greek Mythology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vy'drach Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I think the first story was how Athena was born, not Aphrodite.So it is, my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox1235 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I think I remember a book based on Doom that the demons invading the U.S. and the government sides with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 In order to accept this is possible, you have to accept that there IS a god... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ballisticwaffles Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 In order to accept this is possible, you have to accept that there IS a god...okay then. For a bleak moment, accept that god exist and did exactly what i described above. Would you lay down and die, or would you fight ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 This doesn't make sense on many levels. The story is apparently based on an "alternate universe where Heaven and Hell are real." Whether you believe in heaven, hell, and/or alternate universes, one thing is certain. The spiritual realm is not bound by physical existence (a universe). There would be one God above all universes (and the corresponding evil force of Satan).People fight evil all the time, right now. It's a loosing battle, which is why it's important to accept God's help (who does not simply abandon those who try to follow him).The mechanics also don't work out. Satan is only allowed to tempt and influence, not directly harm or conquer. There is no evidence that Satan, dark angels, or other spiritual beings can be killed, only given pain, and that's only with non-physical weapons (welded by God's angels). Spiritual beings are not as limited by distance and time as humans are. They are also incorporeal, so there is no human defense that could stop them. If God left the world for dead, there would not be an opportunity to fight. We'd all just not wake up one morning, having died in our sleep. On the plus side, if God abandoned people, there's about a 50% chance Satan would leave us alone entirely, since one of the main reasons he hurts us is to hurt God who cares about us.This is a silly premise that has no basis in reality, whether you are religious or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 This doesn't make sense on many levels. The story is apparently based on an "alternate universe where Heaven and Hell are real." Whether you believe in heaven, hell, and/or alternate universes, one thing is certain. The spiritual realm is not bound by physical existence (a universe). There would be one God above all universes (and the corresponding evil force of Satan).People fight evil all the time, right now. It's a loosing battle, which is why it's important to accept God's help (who does not simply abandon those who try to follow him).The mechanics also don't work out. Satan is only allowed to tempt and influence, not directly harm or conquer. There is no evidence that Satan, dark angels, or other spiritual beings can be killed, only given pain, and that's only with non-physical weapons (welded by God's angels). Spiritual beings are not as limited by distance and time as humans are. They are also incorporeal, so there is no human defense that could stop them. If God left the world for dead, there would not be an opportunity to fight. We'd all just not wake up one morning, having died in our sleep. On the plus side, if God abandoned people, there's about a 50% chance Satan would leave us alone entirely, since one of the main reasons he hurts us is to hurt God who cares about us.This is a silly premise that has no basis in reality, whether you are religious or not.Very good points in there. a lot of em.i do believe that the fic is using laws of physi... you know what. i dunno. I have no clue what Stuart is thinking.You say that no physical defense can hurt any of these beings, but may i ask where you derive these notions from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Very good points in there. a lot of em.i do believe that the fic is using laws of physi... you know what. i dunno. I have no clue what Stuart is thinking.You say that no physical defense can hurt any of these beings, but may i ask where you derive these notions from?The Bible mentions many interactions with spiritual beings. If you are going to accept that God/heaven/etc are real, you'll need to accept the other information from which such ideas come. Otherwise you're just picking and choosing what you want to believe regardless of the idea's pedigree.Specifically:Angels are stronger and more powerful than peopleOne angel kills 185,000 soldiers in one nightIn the book of Job, God allows Satan to basically go nuts on a guy, as long as Job is not killed. Satan affects armies, the weather, other people, and the physical health of Job.Spiritual beings appear to have the ability to choose whatever physical image they wishEverything that was created, spiritual or physical, God created and maintainsGod appears to exist outside of time, nothing is before or after himSatan, and angels (implied all non-God beings) are limited by space (not omnipresent) and take some time to travel (at least partially time-limited)A force of evil, be it an angel or Satan, was able to delay an angel for 21 days, but couldn't fend off 2 angels at the same time it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 The Bible mentions many interactions with spiritual beings. If you are going to accept that God/heaven/etc are real, you'll need to accept the other information from which such ideas come. Otherwise you're just picking and choosing what you want to believe regardless of the idea's pedigree.We are assuming we are talking about the abrahamic god. In Pantheocide it is stated that at one time or another, all gods existed at one point or another. The abrahamic rules do not nessisarily apply to all gods. and the one who gets killed in pantheocide may not even be the abrahamic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 We are assuming we are talking about the abrahamic god. In Pantheocide it is stated that at one time or another, all gods existed at one point or another. The abrahamic rules do not nessisarily apply to all gods. and the one who gets killed in pantheocide may not even be the abrahamic one.Heaven and Hell concepts come from the God of Abraham. Not all gods of history could exist, because they conflict with each other (two gods that live forever and nothing is more powerful than). Even if they did, there is one overarching realm that contains Heaven, Hell, and the spiritual beings of the Bible. If we're talking about other high-level spiritual beings (not God, angels, or Satan, but other beings given control of something or another), you'll still need to provide specifics. I can't talk intelligently about what's not defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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