Role Playing Section

[Steve]

One thing for sure, and I wanna get this clear in case there are rumors out there.

Nor Sylum or Fira will be replaced. Unless they want to be replaced.

[Scott7]

It's Reasonable Fira, I get Pm's from people on the other site when something is bothering them though not always right away. It takes a bit of time for someone to gain enough strength and enough thought to send one with a concern, especially in the strenuious times on the site. I myself rarely send notes and pm's because if fear i might make things worse or may cause dismay.

For now, I think we should watch how things go. :)

[Sabre]

One thing for sure, and I wanna get this clear in case there are rumors out there.

Nor Sylum or Fira will be replaced. Unless they want to be replaced.

Sylum AND Fira are being replaced CONFIRMED! :p

[Fluxy]

k, so for the most part today, every time i try to do something to make things right, instead of saying something to me, you guys have just posted something here hinting at why it isn't good enough. im just now hearing things that were wrong with the section that no one bothered to tell me before. I don't know what to do. I obviously can't do anything right this minute to make everybody happy, so what do i do or say or something, because right now i feel like all kinds of shit for failing. I thought sylum was watching things as well as i and i can't change the fact that asper is 6 hours ahead of me and likes to do stuff.

So what would you like me to do now?

My defense, I might not have told issues I saw with it, but I did put in suggestions overall.

And I am sorry that Asper got to things before you, and that Sylum wasn't watching over either, but I have stated my opinions here already. I don't feel me stating them again, unless you needed me to, would really be beneficial.

You haven't failed. Well, it depends on the ruling of "failing" that you go under. If it is if you only did 0-59% of what you think your job is, maybe. But the section didn't die do to it. Whether you failed is up to your own mental status, and the duties that an RP mod have.

Telling you what to do from our eyes wouldn't help really.

but apparently its wrong of me to ask people to pm me when they need something, so i don't know how im going to be able to fix things if people dont meet me half way. i dont know why its unreasonable for me to want people to ask for what they need. I'm not saying im gonig to ignore stuff that i see, i'm saying that i want that extra layer tp make sure that things get done. I do not understand why that translates to me expecting to much of people.

The main issue at hand in what OWA might be talking about, and some of the others really, might be just a bit of some fair anger because the RP section has been ignored for a  while. In the end, your idea is a good one, but I also get where people say they shouldn't do that, as it the RP mods job to do so.

I think the PM's as a back up is a great idea, as it is what I had to do to help Asper out in the first place to get some of the requests locked.

Sylum AND Fira are being replaced CONFIRMED!

This was definitely not needed, Saber.

[Xortberg]

but apparently its wrong of me to ask people to pm me when they need something, so i don't know how im going to be able to fix things if people dont meet me half way. i dont know why its unreasonable for me to want people to ask for what they need. I'm not saying im gonig to ignore stuff that i see, i'm saying that i want that extra layer tp make sure that things get done. I do not understand why that translates to me expecting to much of people.

It translates to you expecting too much of people for a few reasons, some under your control and some not. First, as an RP mod, it's your job to monitor the RP section. I understand that having users PM you with what they want done is helpful, but you should also, by merit of your position, not really need them to tell you what to do. Of course, as I said before, I know that nobody can dedicate all their time to being a mod, so help from the members is always nice. This brings me to the second reason.

With Sylum nowhere to be seen, and with no ETA to his arrival, you are our only active RP mod. As such, more duty falls on your shoulders, and more is expected of you. I understand this is outside of your control, but this is partly why I'm suggesting a new RP mod. Someone who is very active in the board and is online more often, so they have more time to read how things are going and take action.

One thing for sure, and I wanna get this clear in case there are rumors out there.

Nor Sylum or Fira will be replaced. Unless they want to be replaced.

And neither should be replaced. Still, an extra RP mod would not only lighten the load on our existing ones, it might give us more opportunities to lift the restrictions that are, in several peoples' eyes, keeping the RP section from being all it can be.

[Fira-Astrali]

It's Reasonable Fira, I get Pm's from people on the other site when something is bothering them though not always right away. It takes a bit of time for someone to gain enough strength and enough thought to send one with a concern, especially in the strenuious times on the site. I myself rarely send notes and pm's because if fear i might make things worse or may cause dismay.

For now, I think we should watch how things go.

Alright, because I keep trying to tell people that I will never get angry if they send me a message needing something. Whenever they need something, whatever they need, send me a message and I will try my best to help. Like what I said on my leaving post. I wont have time to look through things as thoroughly as i need to, but if you send me a pm I will get it. I'm not going to hold a grudge or not approve your RP or something if you pm me with a need. I'm here to help you, just let me know you need help, please!

This is me opening the floodgates, this week included. If you need something, let me know.

This is not to say I'm going to make everyone happy. But I'm going to try my best.

It translates to you expecting too much of people for a few reasons, some under your control and some not. First, as an RP mod, it's your job to monitor the RP section. I understand that having users PM you with what they want done is helpful, but you should also, by merit of your position, not really need them to tell you what to do. Of course, as I said before, I know that nobody can dedicate all their time to being a mod, so help from the members is always nice. This brings me to the second reason.

you dont have to pm me if you dont want to, but if you want me to get things done as soon as you want me to, pm me. If you want it to take awhile to have your needs met, drop it in the bottom of some random thread, and dont get angry when it takes longer than you might think it should

As we can see, the dropping it somewhere and expecting a mod to find it, while you say it's our job, isn't working. I am trying to offer up a solution that will get things done quicker and will make sure that things dont get missed as much, and all it requires is a few keystrokes from you when you need something locked.

[Scott7]

First, OWA, I'd like to point out that you are attempting to start, by DZ's definition, drama in a thread about how we have too much drama. Way to hump this discussion in the mouth.

http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=5670.msg277793#msg277793

Links to a post of Robert's in the LLH discussion thread where he explains a bit of the problems the Hotel had with the rules. This, combined with the fact that DZ hasn't corrected Milky on his reasoning in the post you quoted, suggests that the Hotel did indeed break rules. Now that your complaint has been answered, I kindly ask you to leave this argument out of the topic here and PM Milky instead. We're actually making some progress in the discussion here, so it would be nice if we could avoid the drama we're trying to discuss... undramatically.

For starters I'm not trying to cause the over-used term 'drama', I'm trying to bring things straight about an issue that never even existed to begin with. The last thing i would like is more voulger language being tossed around, which i already stated in apology in my edit...

As for you're explanation with the link, is the Current sticky is the current different in purpose? The Hotel was a lounge Rp for People to interact with and enjoy one another's company, so it did have a point to it so that violation is partially invalid. Dz hadn't corrected Milky in the post because it's obvious the thread began moving in a different direction.

And that still doesn't answer my long un-answered question on why other 2 former sticky's were locked along with the first...

[Fluxy]

I am no Mod, but really.

Does that need to be pulled up again? I personally don't know how that got brought up again, but come on. What happened, happened, and that can't be changed. Even if it never was there, or it was all over the place, the outcome happened, and we just gotta move on now.

We already have enough going on with the issues of the RP section in general, bringing up yet again an issue that was in the past, and already resolved is not going to help. Please, let's all just be mature, and drop that, or take it to PM's, or someone who is a mod in PM.

[Xortberg]

Alright, because I keep trying to tell people that I will never get angry if they send me a message needing something. Whenever they need something, whatever they need, send me a message and I will try my best to help. Like what I said on my leaving post. I wont have time to look through things as thoroughly as i need to, but if you send me a pm I will get it. I'm not going to hold a grudge or not approve your RP or something if you pm me with a need. I'm here to help you, just let me know you need help, please!

This is me opening the floodgates, this week included. If you need something, let me know.

This is not to say I'm going to make everyone happy. But I'm going to try my best.

you dont have to pm me if you dont want to, but if you want me to get things done as soon as you want me to, pm me. If you want it to take awhile to have your needs met, drop it in the bottom of some random thread, and dont get angry when it takes longer than you might think it should

I'm not trying to make you look bad, really. Sorry if I'm coming off that way, but I'm just trying to state the facts as I see them. I understand where you're coming from, and I do apologize if I didn't manage to make that clear from the start. Like I said to Steve, I'm pushing for an extra RP mod to help you guys do your job easier and maybe get some of the RP limits removed.

Also, Nick ninja'd me, and basically said what needed to be said regarding the Hotel incident. Darn you, Nick.

If you have an issue with Milky, PM him. It won't hurt, I promise.

[Fluxy]

I'm not trying to make you look bad, really. Sorry if I'm coming off that way, but I'm just trying to state the facts as I see them. I understand where you're coming from, and I do apologize if I didn't manage to make that clear from the start. Like I said to Steve, I'm pushing for an extra RP mod to help you guys do your job easier and maybe get some of the RP limits removed.

I too would like to apologise to you, Fira, if it came off that I was attacking you. I honestly did not have that intention.

Also, Nick ninja'd me, and basically said what needed to be said regarding the Hotel incident. Darn you, Nick.

Oh, you know me. Ninja'ing people left and right. =P

[Scott7]

Also, Nick ninja'd me, and basically said what needed to be said regarding the Hotel incident. Darn you, Nick.

If you have an issue with Milky, PM him. It won't hurt, I promise.

Sorry... But IF it went to pm's or an IM it would only be in fit's of rage and There be alot of hate in my words, plus would get in more trouble with that outcome then it would here if i spoke the full anger of what's in my head right now...

It's gotten to me on a personal level, The Building of the complex and the reforming of the Rp section was a pointless effort to fix something that wasn't broken, and it's caused more damage in terms of Active users then just active members in the section...

[Sarita]

And that still doesn't answer my long un-answered question on why other 2 former sticky's were locked along with the first...

DZ wanted them locked, so they were. DZ himself locked them, if I recall correctly.

[Scott7]

DZ wanted them locked, so they were. DZ himself locked them, if I recall correctly.

*sigh* That Doesn't seem like a Very good reason to replace it though... It's a quick decision by authority, But really there really need's to be a point for every action, and that also makes me wonder... Why Didn't we just unlock the Bar and modify that?

[Robert Monroe]

You know OWA, instead of being mad at topics that were locked a dick's age ago, why don't you put that energy into making new RPs good, eh? The old ones are never coming back. The old ones broke rules, had no direction, were user unfriendly and unaccessible, and the RPing was poor form that was better suited for IM or chatroom style RPing, and DZ saw this and locked them because none of the RP mods got around to doing so.

Its done. Its finished. Its not going to come back. Your ability to be mad about something that was months ago is in a word astounding. If you are afraid to PM Milky because you're -that- mad then you need to re-evaluate what is important to you right now, because a months-dead crummy RP topic that had its death coming fast in a handbasket for a while is pretty petty.

[Fluxy]

Guys, this is for talking of the Role Playing section. As of right now, and currently, those RP's are part of the archives, and not the Role Playing section. *Nods* Let's please stop all this stirring of a really old debate that will one way or another bring some type of drama. That issue is over, has been over with an outcome.

[Fira-Astrali]

(i just got ninja'd, but im posting this anyways ^^

alright, let's not backtrack. There is no point talking about things that were locked long ago. Please, lets just get passed it, drop any bad feelings, and make the RPs going now as good as possible. There's no point harbouring bad feelings about a story that has ended.

[Sarita]

(i just got ninja'd, but im posting this anyways ^^

alright, let's not backtrack. There is no point talking about things that were locked long ago. Please, lets just get passed it, drop any bad feelings, and make the RPs going now as good as possible. There's no point harbouring bad feelings about a story that has ended.

I had hoped that by saying DZ locked them, that would be enough to satisfy that argument, finally.

BTW, Fira, if you need help with the RP section while you finish up your projects, feel free to ask any of us staff. :x

[Milkyway64]

EDIT: Sissi, my apologies, but this needs to be said to OWA. Between public posts and private chats with my friends, this RP thing will never stop hounding me until I get this out.

OWA, can you take one week out of your life to stop worrying about that ancient incident that has been explained and re explained to your welded shut mind? Are you seriously that mad about it after all this time?

...

The only thing I can really think to say to that is- what. Just a flat -what.- Is there nothing of substance in your life? Is there nothing you have to get you to forget about and stop running your blithering mouth over the same goddamn thing week after week after week after week. It's over. It's done. I told you again and again my reasons, even in this topic, and you continue to ignore them like the grudge clutching fuck you are. Let it go already like a normal fucking human being, and maybe we wouldn't HAVE the drama you keep talking about.

Yeah, I already see you pointing at me because this message is offensive, but you know what, you brought it on yourself. Here it is, dumbass, the war you've been poking for for the last half a year.

Those. RPs. Were utter. Fucking. Trash, and that's because they were poorly written, user unfriendly, utterly confusing tangles of a discouragement to everyone else wanting to do some RPing.  It's a wonder they weren't locked far before that, because they broke half the rules and upset plenty of people. They were locked because DZ -noticed- them. No mods would touch it with a pole and so they stood until there was a big enough wave for it to be worth checking out. And you know what? And listen good this time, this is what you've ignored -all this time.-

The Hotel never died.

See that? It has it's own line so you can notice it easier. It was replaced by the complex, which was a spiritual successor to the Hotel that YOU won't accept because you have the mind of a fucking five year old. This is -only- an issue because YOU can't get the fuck over yourself and let some drama die.

I'm going to correct Steve here, 80% of the drama on SFO doesn't come from the RP section, it comes from whiny, blithering, immature, obnoxiously CRY BABY users that can't open their mind for shit. I am -sick- of discussing this. I am -sick- of people bringing it back. I am -sick- of explaining myself over and over that everyone with a fucking brain has understood and sympathized with, or at the very least MOVED THE HELL ON and made new RPs.

I'm done. I want to say so, so much more to you, but I'll only be getting in trouble. I only humbly request that you read this thread. Come on, all of it. Now read the RP rules thread. Then maybe all threads pertaining to The Cornerian Complex. What happened was a good thing, and nobody has presented any evidence to the contrary. You ARE THE ONLY ONE still bitching about it, get a load of the bigger picture for god's sake please.

Alright, because I keep trying to tell people that I will never get angry if they send me a message needing something. Whenever they need something, whatever they need, send me a message and I will try my best to help. Like what I said on my leaving post. I wont have time to look through things as thoroughly as i need to, but if you send me a pm I will get it. I'm not going to hold a grudge or not approve your RP or something if you pm me with a need. I'm here to help you, just let me know you need help, please!

This is me opening the floodgates, this week included. If you need something, let me know.

This is not to say I'm going to make everyone happy. But I'm going to try my best.

Fira, with all due respect, I can't see where you are coming from. Let me lay out a few facts here;

You are an RP mod

The RP section is CRYING for some authoritive attention

Look, I don't care what anyone says, RP modship isn't just a badge to wear around. It's a job you have to do. You, frankly, are not doing it, and excusing yourself by saying that no one PMs you. Protip: You shouldn't NEED to be told to do your job. As the mod, it's on you, not us, to keep things running smoothly. Asper has excused you to and named himself backup RP mod, well "backup" has a connotation carried with it that doesn't mean "let him do everything."

DZ even posted a sticky thread telling people to stop asking him about RP matters. What this boils down to is, forgive me, I really don't mean to sound like an ass, that you, and Sylum should he ever show back up, freaking DO SOMETHING. Yeah, people have lives, yeah, not all your time can be devoted, but the RP mod's performance is really disappointing and, in a way, upsetting.

[Scott7]

You know OWA, instead of being mad at topics that were locked a dick's age ago, why don't you put that energy into making new RPs good, eh? The old ones are never coming back. The old ones broke rules, had no direction, were user unfriendly and unaccessible, and the RPing was poor form that was better suited for IM or chatroom style RPing, and DZ saw this and locked them because none of the RP mods got around to doing so.

Its done. Its finished. Its not going to come back. Your ability to be mad about something that was months ago is in a word astounding. If you are afraid to PM Milky because you're -that- mad then you need to re-evaluate what is important to you right now, because a months-dead crummy RP topic that had its death coming fast in a handbasket for a while is pretty petty.

Hmph, and You guys constantly complain that we never read post's in topics...

What Exactly would have happened if it kept going?

There were no problem's or complaints at the time, All active user's were contacting each other through pm's and keeping bookmark's for where they  was they felt lost.

Doesn't sound Very 'unfriendly and inaccessable' IF you ask me.... Despite them being locked ages ago, The Long-term Effects of it's attempted Recovery are Still going even 4 months after it starting, and is still no-where close to it ending. Well over 5 User's of SF-O Have Left or are rarely active at all in the site because of the outcome, Including People who agreed that things needed to change.

I've lost to many close friend's here because of this sh!t, and even they still have the scar's of the of the unneeded Reformation.

(i just got ninja'd, but im posting this anyways ^^

alright, let's not backtrack. There is no point talking about things that were locked long ago. Please, lets just get passed it, drop any bad feelings, and make the RPs going now as good as possible. There's no point harbouring bad feelings about a story that has ended.

Guys, this is for talking of the Role Playing section. As of right now, and currently, those RP's are part of the archives, and not the Role Playing section. *Nods* Let's please stop all this stirring of a really old debate that will one way or another bring some type of drama. That issue is over, has been over with an outcome.

I'm not Asking for it to come Back As much I'd want them to, the people who still disagree on how it worked are to stubborn to the point where it's an impossibility and I've accepted that. I'm just wanting the Former Majority's opinion to be noted and taken in So there aren't any similar Mistake's in the future.

Nick, I want things to Turn out better for the what's currently there, I've already said that to you elsewhere. And I'm Sorry that I've made a fool of myself... again... But This has been eating away and been bottled up in my consiousness for months, and I really should get these thought's out of the bottle before they beat at me anymore.

[Sarita]

You know I have to warn you now, Milkshake. For the inflammatory comments. If OWA responds in kind, this is his warning, that he will be getting the same punishment. If I even see so much as another curse word in this thread directed towards another member, every single word that is inflammatory will earn you at least a 5% warning.

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Ninja'd by OWA himself. You get a 5% warning for the personal attack towards Robert.

EDIT: I am watching this topic CLOSELY. Step lightly. Civility will be your friend here.

[Milkyway64]

Doesn't sound Very 'unfriendly and inaccessable' IF you ask me.... Despite them being locked ages ago, The Long-term Effects of it's attempted Recovery are Still going even 4 months after it starting, and is still no-where close to it ending. Well over 5 User's of SF-O Have Left or are rarely active at all in the site because of the outcome, Including People who agreed that things needed to change.

I've lost to many close friend's here because of this sh!t, and even they still have the scar's of the of the unneeded Reformation.

I'm not Asking for it to come Back As much I'd want them to, the people who still disagree on how it worked are to stubborn to the point where it's an impossibility and I've accepted that. I'm just wanting the Former Majority's opinion to be noted and taken in So there aren't any similar Mistake's in the future.

All we have is YOUR WORD. Just saying it "had no problems" when you were part of the problem in the first place is hardly an arguement. It was not an RP, but a dumping ground for 4-6 people to monopolize and chase everyone out with everything we listed. I STILL see no reason it shouldn't have closed, it was a fucking mess and explanations like these aren't changing anyone's opinion, not mine, not Nick's, not Rob's, not DZs. Let it the fuck go and get get into another one, NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THAT. You willingly CHOOSE to make this an issue.

The "majority opinion" is stacked well against you.

Nick, I want things to Turn out better for the what's currently there, I've already said that to you elsewhere. And I'm Sorry that I've made a fool of myself... again... But This has been eating away and been bottled up in my consiousness for months, and I really should get these thought's out of the bottle before they beat at me anymore.

It'sa whatda WHAT.

It's a ROOOOOOLLLLLLEEEEPLLLLLAAAAAY that got a name change and SLIGHT RULE ALTERATION. How much of a fucking drama pincher ARE you?!

Logic has hammered at your skull, explanations brush your ears, the welcoming hand of compromise has bumped your hand, and you still choose to do this? Get some priorities, dude! Fucking REEALLLY.

You know I have to warn you now, Milkshake. For the inflammatory comments. If OWA responds in kind, this is his warning, that he will be getting the same punishment. If I even see so much as another curse word in this thread directed towards another member, every single word that is inflammatory will earn you at least a 5% warning.

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Ninja'd by OWA himself. You get a 5% warning for the personal attack towards Robert.

EDIT: I am watching this topic CLOSELY. Step lightly. Civility will be your friend here.

My apologies, but a bomb has gone off here. I'm tired of my every other week being ruined by OWA bringing this up again and again. I'm furious. This has gone as far as him telling User that I "ruined his life" in a manner of speaking by upgrading the hotel he so constantly whines about. I'm done pretending it'll go away if I ignore it, fact is, proven by us talking about it now, it won't.

[Sarita]

I know, you're welcome to discuss. Inflammatory comments will not be allowed, however. Just don't call him a fucking idiot or something, and we'll be fine.

This warning goes for EVERYONE IN THIS TOPIC. I am not going to play nice this time.

[Xortberg]

I know, you're welcome to discuss. Inflammatory comments will not be allowed, however. Just don't call him a fucking idiot or something, and we'll be fine.

This warning goes for EVERYONE IN THIS TOPIC. I am not going to play nice this time.

To be fair, the inflammatory comments started because OWA is being a douche-kazoo about it all and bringing up things that shouldn't be brought up. The Hotel incident died months ago, several people told him to drop it and go to PMs, and he still insisted on bringing it up in this topic. Maybe Milky's going a bit too far into his Nuclear Nerd-Rage mode, but it's not entirely unwarranted.

[Sarita]

Yes, yes, I know.   I'm taking a staff position here, instead of getting involved myself, for that reason.

[Fira-Astrali]

Fira, with all due respect, I can't see where you are coming from. Let me lay out a few facts here;

You are an RP mod

The RP section is CRYING for some authoritive attention

Look, I don't care what anyone says, RP modship isn't just a badge to wear around. It's a job you have to do. You, frankly, are not doing it, and excusing yourself by saying that no one PMs you. Protip: You shouldn't NEED to be told to do your job. As the mod, it's on you, not us, to keep things running smoothly. Asper has excused you to and named himself backup RP mod, well "backup" has a connotation carried with it that doesn't mean "let him do everything."

DZ even posted a sticky thread telling people to stop asking him about RP matters. What this boils down to is, forgive me, I really don't mean to sound like an ass, that you, and Sylum should he ever show back up, freaking DO SOMETHING. Yeah, people have lives, yeah, not all your time can be devoted, but the RP mod's performance is really disappointing and, in a way, upsetting.

Sigh, i never excused myself by saying no one pms me. I am ASKING people to START pming me when they need help. Yes, I realize that I haven't been on much, that is not in dispute. I'm trying to set up a system where people's problems get delt with quickly and easily. If you take 30 seconds to say "I need this rp request to be locked due to lack of interest"  wham, bam, thread it locked within 15 minutes of me reading the pm. OR, you can just drop it in a random thread that i might not even think to check for awhile, and then you can get all pissed off that I haven't found it in time. This obviously your choice. I'm just telling you what is going to happen.

I do not understand why this is a huge freaking deal. I will obviously still be looking around trying to find what I can, but things will be much easier if you just tell me what you want. As I've said before, dropping it in a thread is obviously not working, because we are even having this discussion.

I have said three times and I'm not going to say it again. I am trying to set up a system to try and make things better. If you're not going to meet me in the middle and try and help me, I guess bad things are going to happen.

BTW, Fira, if you need help with the RP section while you finish up your projects, feel free to ask any of us staff.

Thanks Sissi :)