Role Playing Section

[Milkyway64]

Sigh, i never excused myself by saying no one pms me. I am ASKING people to START pming me when they need help. Yes, I realize that I haven't been on much, that is not in dispute. I'm trying to set up a system where people's problems get delt with quickly and easily. If you take 30 seconds to say "I need this rp request to be locked due to lack of interest"  wham, bam, thread it locked within 15 minutes of me reading the pm. OR, you can just drop it in a random thread that i might not even think to check for awhile, and then you can get all pissed off that I haven't found it in time. This obviously your choice. I'm just telling you what is going to happen.

Again, it's not -on us- to do your job for you. Sure, that makes it more convenient, but if you HAVE to rely on it as your performance shows, then maybe it's time to rethink some things, dear. The RP section is your jurisdiction, it wouldn't kill you to watch it rather than having us watch it for you. The only exception should be the complex, because FFFFF to that noise.

I do not understand why this is a huge freaking deal. I will obviously still be looking around trying to find what I can, but things will be much easier if you just tell me what you want. As I've said before, dropping it in a thread is obviously not working, because we are even having this discussion.

Read above. Carefully.

It's a huge freaking deal because NOTHING is getting done until we drag Asper or DZ into it. See the problem with this yet? I hope you do, it's clearer than clear. You have a job, a yellow name and badge to show for it, but allegedly, not the time or effort to actually DO THE JOB.

Take some initiative sometime, and maybe we wouldn't be on your case. That is all.

I have said three times and I'm not going to say it again. I am trying to set up a system to try and make things better. If you're not going to meet me in the middle and try and help me, I guess bad things are going to happen.

And your system is a load of crap, plainly speaking. You propose that since you can't do it yourself, we help you along. No, that's not better, that's a step in the wrong direction and makes your modship pointless. I'll hammer again that -as a mod you should be able to do your job without our help, you have the badge and gun, as well as our dependency.- There SHOULD NOT BE a middle.

[Scott7]

You know I have to warn you now, Milkshake. For the inflammatory comments. If OWA responds in kind, this is his warning, that he will be getting the same punishment. If I even see so much as another curse word in this thread directed towards another member, every single word that is inflammatory will earn you at least a 5% warning.

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Ninja'd by OWA himself. You get a 5% warning for the personal attack towards Robert.

EDIT: I am watching this topic CLOSELY. Step lightly. Civility will be your friend here.

Fyi, he posted that just before was finishing my post so I didn't even know it was there when i made it... 

And I'm not planning on replying to it all, I understand that someone needs to make a statement to try and tell me something with a bit of assertion, but the names  towards me were just to hurtful and the way it was presented in a manner like that... Not worth it to get more anymore upset then i already am after reading all this...

EDIT: Milky, just SHUT UP That's Enough!!!! You made your point, you don't have to keep going especially not at Fira.

That's it! I'm done here! I'm tired of having to see people here get treated like this.... I need a serious fucking Break from this site... and a long one so I could calm my Nerves...

[Steve]

This is just bad timing for our RP mods, Fira has A LOT of stuff to do IRL and Sylum is taking his time out. Asper is covering Fira and he's doing a good job.

However, this matter has gone over and over, and drama is starting to arise.

The decision of another RP mod will be taken between today and tomorrow, I need to discuss it with the staff.

[Milkyway64]

Fyi, he posted that just before was finishing my post so I didn't even know it was there when i made it... 

And I'm not planning on replying to it all, I understand that someone needs to make a statement to try and tell me something with a bit of assertion, but the names  towards me were just to hurtful and the way it was presented in a manner like that... Not worth it to get more anymore upset then i already am after reading all this...

EDIT: Milky, just SHUT UP That's Enough!!!! You made your point, you don't have to keep going especially not at Fira.

That's it! I'm done here! I'm tired of having to see people here get treated like this.... I need a serious fucking Break from this site... and a long one so I could calm my Nerves...

Notice how I was more polite to Fira than you? That's because she's not at the end of my patience. Fira deserves the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with you. By the way, how dare you play victim. You're the one repeatedly reviving it, calling me back in here and making an ass of myself. And you know what, this entire thing is a sham. I'm gonna stop pretending the RP means anything to you, it doesn't. You have a relpica on your forum and your own welcomely embraced version of the Complex. You don't miss the hotel at all, you just hate me. That's all there is to it.

[Sarita]

Okay, THAT'S IT.

OWA, you could've dropped it with your post, but you didn't. You're getting a warning for it.

Milky, I'm warning you AGAIN. This argument seems to be between you two at this point. Get it OFF of the public forum.

This topic is LOCKED. If you want to talk about the RP section, wait 3 days. I'll do some clean up, remove this useless arguing, unlock the topic, then you can have civil discussion.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Again, it's not -on us- to do your job for you. Sure, that makes it more convenient, but if you HAVE to rely on it as your performance shows, then maybe it's time to rethink some things, dear. The RP section is your jurisdiction, it wouldn't kill you to watch it rather than having us watch it for you. The only exception should be the complex, because FFFFF to that noise.

Read above. Carefully.

It's a huge freaking deal because NOTHING is getting done until we drag Asper or DZ into it. See the problem with this yet? I hope you do, it's clearer than clear. You have a job, a yellow name and badge to show for it, but allegedly, not the time or effort to actually DO THE JOB.

Take some initiative sometime, and maybe we wouldn't be on your case. That is all.

And your system is a load of crap, plainly speaking. You propose that since you can't do it yourself, we help you along. No, that's not better, that's a step in the wrong direction and makes your modship pointless. I'll hammer again that -as a mod you should be able to do your job without our help, you have the badge and gun, as well as our dependency.- There SHOULD NOT BE a middle.

Milky. Please calm down for a second while I try to explain how things have come to this. Fira isn't asking for people to do her job, and everyone who really know her would know better than to think that of her.

Now, an RP mods duty can be broken into several fragments. I'll address each of them in turn.

1. Make sure running roleplays stay within the rules, and stop drama from arising to a point where it's affecting the RP and it's participants.

This was perhaps the biggest part back when Sylum and Fira got the positions. However, a big problem was looming in the distance. The fast-moving RP's, especially in the form of the old stickied RP's. At the rate posts were written in those, one would have to employ someone to dedicate all his/her worktime to skim trough it all and make sure law and order was uphold. It was, and still isn't, realistic to believe people who did this voluntarily on their spare time to dedicate the time required to keep a constant watch on them. As such, they were for the most part left alone, the sporadic checks all to often failing to spot the rules being broken, exclusion of other players and general nastiness that gradually started to grow until it culminated in the events that brought down these tumors of the RP section.

At which point, I seem to remember that it was decided upon that the day-to-day patrolling of topics for this kind of trouble would be done by the players themself. Trying to solve problems themself, and calling in for mod backup if needed. Sort of like how any police force works in real life. I seem to remember you being one of the one preaching the strongest for this Milkyway, but excuse me if my memory don't serve as good as it should.

So far, this has been working satisfactory. Though I still believe some players, not all, some, could be better at reporting rule infractions when they see them clearly. Contrary to belief, if someone starts shit in a RP topic, we won't close the topic itself as punishment. Collateral damage is something we strive to avoid at all cost.

2. Closure of dead roleplays.

To avoid the RP section being clogged up by dead or frozen roleplays, it was from the start decided that roleplays which stayed inactive for a while would be closed down, with the possibility to be reopened if the creator wanted and had the support to revive it. With the RP cap in place, this became even more important than before. The main problem was that I do think DZ at some point said something about there having to be two weeks of silence before a RP mod could go in and ask if it was okay to close it. Seeing that both I and Fira seem to think the same, without me even being aware she got someone mad at her for closing it before that time, this might very well be the case. With hindsight, and the RP queue we now have behind the flood gates, two week is way to long. But to both Sylum and Firas defense, it should be said they were sticking to the rules laid out for the section.

3. Approval of roleplaying requests.

Roleplays have to come from somewhere. Naturally, it's easy saying requests should be approved in the order they seem to be in best shape to carry their own weight, and prove fun and enjoyable for as many people as possible, be they players or spectators. Thing is, while I, and probably several others, would prefer this to be the way, many don't. You brought up an example of a Pokemon/Starfox crossover RP somewhere earlier in the thread, so let's roll with that.

While this kind of roleplay might not be up the street of neither me, you, or most of the more hardcore and deep roleplayers, among them those old enough to be the RP mods, it might be just the thing for several others who'd love to try their hands at just something like that. Would it fair to bypass it just because it's not "speaking" to those in charge of approval? Of course shouldn't roleplays with only two or three players in total be approved when there's such a fight about the open spots, but we're not going to start becoming biased in the order we approve requests. First come, first serve. Unless they're obviously going to crash a couple of pages in.

The real problem is that the roleplays simply don't move and come to an end fast enough to have an impact on the huge mass of requests. I have a suggestion to a solution, to which I'll get back to at the bottom of this topic.

And now onto the topic of what you and Fira have been arguing about. Why the roleplayers should/shouldn't help the mods. Well, let's explain it with an example.

A RP request is opened. It gains lot of support, because its a really good idea for a RP. An RP mod notices it, but does of course not approve it till it's clear that the creator is ready for the launch and has all the players he/she need. What most creators here on SF-O does when they get at that point, is too drop a post in the request topic saying he/she is ready and wants to know if it's approved to go. Fira's point is: Why not also spend the effort to send her and/or Sylum a PM saying: "Hi! I'm ready to start the RP, we're only awaiting your approval. *Link to request topic*. Thanks!"

This I believe isn't too much to ask for from a RP creator. What I do however believe is too much is asking the RP mods to scour the topics of the request board, trough all the random posts saying: "Can't wait till it starts!" or "Can I join?" and similar to look for the footnote that says they're awaiting approval.

You say the position as a mod is a proper job, and demand it to be done up to as high standards as possible. Well, you see, we are all doing this in our spare time, for no other reward than the odd happy smile. We have little-to-no training on how to handle situations, few have more spare time than the users of the board, and all have lives off the internet. Sure, you can say that if they don't have as much time to spend moderating the site as you'd like to, that someone else should have the position, or there should be more doing the job. Lot of those commenting in this thread seems to me like they think they could do a better job. Well, let me break down that picture a tiny little bit for you. Every one of you is flawed in some way or another. No, this ain't a joke. Everyone in this topic, the whole site, the whole world, has imperfections. Areas the could improve in. I could give each and everyone one of you a very good reason why you shouldn't be a RP mod. Some I can give several. Same I can do with the current RP mods, and myself. Especially myself.

So the trick on deciding who's going to be RP mods, or if any of the possible applicants should be, is scaling up the pros and cons of those people. There's a reason why both Sylum and Fira was elected RP mods, there's a reason why I have faith in them when some among you don't. They have both done mistakes, and both have a lot to learn, as do we all. I ask of you who have proven your disappointment in them give us another chance in running the RP section.

And when I say us. I mean I, Fira and Sylum. I am hereby going to divert my attention more to the RP board, and implent several changes which I believe will change it to the better for as many as possible.

That's what I had to say for this time. Thanks for reading.

Asper, out.