New RP Mod, Asper.

[Steve]

We discussed things in the staff board and we all agreed on this. Even tho mods now have powers EVERYWHERE, Asper agreed to be changed to be "specialized" in RP (again, he still has powers everywhere) to please the community inquires.

Things will remain like this until further notice. Now the RP board has 3 mods + the rest of the staff.

[Fluxy]

Alright. Congratz, Asper.

[Arashikage]

Hey, congratulations Asper

[Milkyway64]

And hey, nothing was changed! Let me correct the first post;

We discussed things in the staff board and we all agreed on this. Even tho mods now have powers EVERYWHERE, Asper agreed to be changed to be "specialized" in RP (again, he still has powers everywhere) to please the community inquires.

Things will remain like this until further notice. Now the RP board has 1 mod + the rest of the staff that can't be arsed to look in there.

What does this fix, exactly, other than solidifying Fira's excuse? Both she and Sylum have been flat gone for a long time now, and honestly, I'm a bit hesitant to write it off as a "bad time." Only the busiest people in the world wouldn't have time to take of their own schedule to look at the very forum they are supposed to keep orderly.  Further, the mere fact that Fira was pushing for a system that made us do her job for her is a big red flag as far as her dedication goes. Nothing against Asper, but I also doubt he can pay full attention to both the RP section and the rest of the board by himself, as the other two mods seem to have all but abandoned their flock and the rest of the staff doesn't give two shits about the RP area as evident by DZ saying no one is to PM him about RP related matters in a sticky thread and User expressing distaste for it. RP is not SFO's main focus, so naturally only a handful are going to care enough about it to watch it. It all goes back to favoring Fira's very flawed policing system where someone only shows up if they dial 911.

This fix to the problem is downright lazy and only half-asses the job. Sure, Asper could be a good man for the job, but he's only proven that by doing the RP mod's job for them. And at the end of the day, he has to divide his attention between his usual, important duties, and that fantasy goings-ons down south because we all know his partners won't do anything to help him. I'll put it here straight, does this really fix our problem? The situation is exactly the same as it was before, only now one of the ones involved got a name change. Does this really solve our issue of an underworked RP section where new RPs take weeks to approve, and only because Asper had to do it because no one else fucking would? Does this really ensure we have a dedicated man or woman for the job, willing to read everything in there and maximize productivity by being able to use a refined literative knack and knowledge of past approved RPs to avoid approving the samey RPs are throw a bunch of lesser quality ones in because the approval system is only there through a lazily patched in solution that does little more than take the heat off of our thoroughly inactive RP mods?

Not to be a drama llama or anything, I'm happy for Asper, but this "fix" to the desperate cries for attention the RP section had is lazy, lazy, lazy and personally, heh, I don't have the greatest amount of confidence that it's as well covered as the OP makes it sound since the only thing it did was justify his covering for the other two.

[Arashikage]

Not to be a drama llama or anything

If you didn't want to be you wouldn't be here opening your mouth, you know what this is going to start

[Steve]

This fix to the problem is downright lazy and only half-asses the job.

Milky, seriously. Wait and see, then judge. Asper posted a big brick wall of words with ideas and I believe those ideas will improve the RP section, have faith.

[Fluxy]

And hey, nothing was changed! Let me correct the first post;

What does this fix, exactly, other than solidifying Fira's excuse? Both she and Sylum have been flat gone for a long time now, and honestly, I'm a bit hesitant to write it off as a "bad time." Only the busiest people in the world wouldn't have time to take of their own schedule to look at the very forum they are supposed to keep orderly.  Further, the mere fact that Fira was pushing for a system that made us do her job for her is a big red flag as far as her dedication goes. Nothing against Asper, but I also doubt he can pay full attention to both the RP section and the rest of the board by himself, as the other two mods seem to have all but abandoned their flock and the rest of the staff doesn't give two shits about the RP area as evident by DZ saying no one is to PM him about RP related matters in a sticky thread and User expressing distaste for it. RP is not SFO's main focus, so naturally only a handful are going to care enough about it to watch it. It all goes back to favoring Fira's very flawed policing system where someone only shows up if they dial 911.

This fix to the problem is downright lazy and only half-asses the job. Sure, Asper could be a good man for the job, but he's only proven that by doing the RP mod's job for them. And at the end of the day, he has to divide his attention between his usual, important duties, and that fantasy goings-ons down south because we all know his partners won't do anything to help him. I'll put it here straight, does this really fix our problem? The situation is exactly the same as it was before, only now one of the ones involved got a name change. Does this really solve our issue of an underworked RP section where new RPs take weeks to approve, and only because Asper had to do it because no one else fucking would? Does this really ensure we have a dedicated man or woman for the job, willing to read everything in there and maximize productivity by being able to use a refined literative knack and knowledge of past approved RPs to avoid approving the samey RPs are throw a bunch of lesser quality ones in because the approval system is only there through a lazily patched in solution that does little more than take the heat off of our thoroughly inactive RP mods?

Not to be a drama llama or anything, I'm happy for Asper, but this "fix" to the desperate cries for attention the RP section had is lazy, lazy, lazy and personally, heh, I don't have the greatest amount of confidence that it's as well covered as the OP makes it sound since the only thing it did was justify his covering for the other two.

If you didn't want to be you wouldn't be here opening your mouth, you know what this is going to start

I think it is best if I put my two cents into this situation now as well.

Milky did say his point in a way I honestly never would, but on a most levels he points out, I agree with what he is saying. Some things I would have changed in what he said, but the overall idea, I agree with.

He feels that we wanted change, and we didn't get much. In my honest to god opinion, I agree with him.

Now, Kage, drama can be started, or some type of difference can be. I can easily see the aggravation in this, and he could have worded it differently, but if not him, I most likely would have came out with something along this.

Milky, seriously. Wait and see, then judge. Asper posted a big brick wall of words with ideas and I believe those ideas will improve the RP section, have faith.

The big brick of words I saw were simply a more expanded view on what an RP Mod's job is. I don't believe what he posted were ideas that were to help the RP section, but simply a larger explanation of the jobs.

[Milkyway64]

Milky, seriously. Wait and see, then judge. Asper posted a big brick wall of words with ideas and I believe those ideas will improve the RP section, have faith.

Having read through them, I'm even more annoyed. His last words in there were blatantantly obvious things that make up the ENTIRE MEAT OF MY ARGUMENT.

Yeah, modship may be a charity, but you're still expected to DO something. You know what, Asper, yes, cutting down on RPs, giving them the lock, and approving new ones IS what RP mods do. Wanna know the punchline though? The joke flying over everyone's head?

THEY'RE NOT DOING THEM.

Can I make this anymore clear? Yes, Asper may be a step in the right direction, but the other foot is still in the grass the sign tells us so lovingly to keep off of.

[Sarita]

Milkshake, you don't know the full story, yet. With-hold judgement until later.

You seem to be suggesting that Fira is asking people to PM her with a problem, and that she wont be looking at the RP forum otherwise, which is not like you. I suggest waiting until we get the RP section fixed to start a rabid bitch-fest like you seem so eager to start here.

The topic Steve was referring to is in the Staff board. Chill. Your freakin'. Jets.

[Sylum]

It seems i'm not allowed to go on vacation I've had planned since the end of summer. Thanks guys. I'll keep that in mind.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Milkyway, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Your concern is noted though. Let me try to put it to rest.

I'm not going to do Sylum and Firas jobs for them. Instead, my priority will be giving the RP section a total rewamp, seeing as it's been needed for some time now. If going as planned, it will erase the problems of RP requests dying in the queue, and make it in all easier to oversee. Details will be revealed soon, after I'm sure I have ironed out any possible chinks in the new and improved RP board.

[Fluxy]

It seems i'm not allowed to go on vacation I've had planned since the end of summer. Thanks guys. I'll keep that in mind.

Now, that in my opinion, that is just a shot to make us feel guilty. The issue was that you never really said when you are going to come back. Vacations usually have an end day.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

I thought Asper was a RP mod before becoming a Full mod... :?

[Arashikage]

Now, that in my opinion, that is just a shot to make us feel guilty. The issue was that you never really said when you are going to come back. Vacations usually have an end day.

Just thought I'd point that out

[Milkyway64]

It seems i'm not allowed to go on vacation I've had planned since the end of summer. Thanks guys. I'll keep that in mind.

If it's noted ahead of time, then it's fine. There's a difference between vacation and neglect, don't put words in my mouth.

Milkshake, you don't know the full story, yet. With-hold judgement until later.

You seem to be suggesting that Fira is asking people to PM her with a problem, and that she wont be looking at the RP forum otherwise, which is not like you. I suggest waiting until we get the RP section fixed to start a rabid bitch-fest like you seem so eager to start here.

The topic Steve was referring to is in the Staff board. Chill. Your freakin'. Jets.

Well, I was mistaken. I thought the vague block of text Steve mentioned was the last word he slipped into the topic you locked. Secondly;

http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=9741.0

Excccuuuuuuse me, but if this isn't a confirmation of what I've been saying, then almost every post she made in the afforementioned locked topic is. You seem to have this idea that I just bitch to do it, I don't, especially not to this degree. I know what I'm talking about. I have read everything clearly, and my conclusion is firm. I'm not out to cause drama, sissi, I'm genuinely annoyed with all this and voicing my opinion which seems to repeatedly get handwaved with "Calm down" and "wait and see" which addresses only a fraction of what I've been bringing up.

Milkyway, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Your concern is noted though. Let me try to put it to rest.

I'm not going to do Sylum and Firas jobs for them. Instead, my priority will be giving the RP section a total rewamp, seeing as it's been needed for some time now. If going as planned, it will erase the problems of RP requests dying in the queue, and make it in all easier to oversee. Details will be revealed soon, after I'm sure I have ironed out any possible chinks in the new and improved RP board.

Well then that's good. Finally something here that isn't a blatant ignoring.

[Sylum]

I did tell everyone on this board I was leaving. I also told everyone that a week before that I was taking some personal time off.

Edit: and I also said when I'd be back. So yea. It was a shot to make you feel guilty. I told you when I left and when I'd be back. You posted in that thread nick. Not my fault people don't read my shit.

[Robert Monroe]

If you didn't want to be you wouldn't be here opening your mouth, you know what this is going to start

Replying to him like that isn't helping. He's not here to start drama, he's just mad (seriously Milk cool the fuck dooooooooown).

Now, I support the current idea of "the RPers govern themselves"... to an extent. The Mods should not, and do not, have to patrol every single RP post to do things that GMs are fully capable of; such as keeping participants in line, keeping trolls out, and so forth. In these cases, a mod should only be called on when the problem explodes out of hand and GMs can't control their RP anymore and a mod is needed to crack some skulls.

What I -THINK- Milky was mad about, though, and if this is the case then I'm inclined to somewhat agree with him, is that the RP mods weren't doing other duties, such as checking RPs to see if they've gone stagnant and need closing, and approving new RPs for the queue, and so on. These should NOT need community notifications to do. A mod of course can not be expected to read every single RP post everyday... but they certainly can read the latest post of a RP, check the date it was posted on and compare it to their computer's date, and realize that if the last post was like a MONTH AGO, lock that sucker up and get to work on the next RP wanting to start. I mean really, the RP Queue topic hasn't even been posted in since July of 2009! This I believe is the "laziness" Milky is referring to, and is what needs to be addressed, and while I agree Asper is a step in the right direction for it, he does have other duties and so if the current RP mods are unable to do their job (for whatever reasons), then we need to assign maybe one or two more mods to help them out.

And really, if we had more RP mods, then we could have more RPs active at a time, which would be one step closer to just eliminating the queue nonsense entirely (I still stand staunchly against it).

[Milkyway64]

What I -THINK- Milky was mad about, though, and if this is the case then I'm inclined to somewhat agree with him, is that the RP mods weren't doing other duties, such as checking RPs to see if they've gone stagnant and need closing, and approving new RPs for the queue, and so on. These should NOT need community notifications to do. A mod of course can not be expected to read every single RP post everyday... but they certainly can read the latest post of a RP, check the date it was posted on and compare it to their computer's date, and realize that if the last post was like a MONTH AGO, lock that sucker up and get to work on the next RP wanting to start. I mean really, the RP Queue topic hasn't even been posted in since July of 2009! This I believe is the "laziness" Milky is referring to, and is what needs to be addressed, and while I agree Asper is a step in the right direction for it, he does have other duties and so if the current RP mods are unable to do their job (for whatever reasons), then we need to assign maybe one or two more mods to help them out.

And really, if we had more RP mods, then we could have more RPs active at a time, which would be one step closer to just eliminating the queue nonsense entirely (I still stand staunchly against it).

This is correct, and if it's been a month, they're still doin it rong. The approval is one of the big ones, though, especially because when it does happen, it seems to just be an automated rack reload. It doesn't seem like each idea is carefully read and prioritized, otherwise we wouldn't at one point had three RPs that were the same frakking thing active at once (Lylat Hotel, Cornerian Bar, Outside the Bar)

[Sarita]

Ninja'd by Rob, rewriting this whole post, because he helped me out with some clarifications. xD

We actually have put Asper in the RP mod specialization to help with the overflow and reformulating the RP section. Asper is waiting until he irons out the details to post his ideas for the section in public. We're working on them with all the staff involved. So what this is pretty much coming down to is something we're handling already.

[Robert Monroe]

Ninja'd by Rob, rewriting this whole post, because he helped me out with some clarifications. xD

We actually have put Asper in the RP mod specialization to help with the overflow and reformulating the RP section. Asper is waiting until he irons out the details to post his ideas for the section in public. We're working on them with all the staff involved. So what this is pretty much coming down to is something we're handling already.

[Fluxy]

I have also noticed something that ticks me off just a little bit. Actually, no. Quite a lot, to be honest.

First off, I would like to call off any rumors that may lead people to believe I am the leader of this so called, "Rebellion". I posted a concern, and people kept going. I am in no way the leader of anything in this case.

Second, This.

The topic Steve was referring to is in the Staff board.

This does tick me off. And I will give a very honest reason as to why. I gave many ideas to help out the RP section, and the only feedback I got was that they all sounded the same, which in my opinion, is a little unbelievable. Sure, one of them could have been faulty, sure, but that was only a -start- as I stated to ideas. I never continued on because I was not informed clearly by anyone. If anything, it was from Fira, and she even admitted that she should have stated them better.

This ticks me off. I never got asked for any simple clarification, or explanation on my reasoning, just what I put, and waited in the dark for a long ass time just to hear that my ideas and contributions were less than par.

It makes me feel that all my help is just down looked. I hate to be a drama queen if it seems like this, but yes. I feel that everything I have done in attempts to help the RP section has been for not, and just coasted aside. All I ever really was looking for was a "Thanks for your input" and some thought on my ideas.

I admit to getting a "Thanks for the input" by Sylum, but he never did as he promised to get back to me on them.

So now to hear that Asper has ideas, ones that he was able to get heard, and hear responses to maybe help fine tune them, does tick me off. It makes me feel that unless your ideas are perfect to the point of use, normal users don't get the luxury mods do when it comes to helping out in something said user is obviously passionate about.

I do realize that I did all this help out of charity, and because I wanted an overall better RP section, but with all this Saber coming and helping publicly, and then Asper's ideas being put to use, it makes me feel down right under appreciated.

I did tell everyone on this board I was leaving. I also told everyone that a week before that I was taking some personal time off.

Edit: and I also said when I'd be back. So yea. It was a shot to make you feel guilty. I told you when I left and when I'd be back. You posted in that thread nick. Not my fault people don't read my shit.

Well then, by all means. You are right, and I am wrong.

[Robert Monroe]

Since Nick brought it up, I have to agree here too. I've also made suggestions for the RP board, but they go ignored or not really considered, and it takes another staff member (Asper) in order to get some change going on. Kinda uncool, man.

[Milkyway64]

I was there as well, but to our credit, SOME changes happened.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Okay Nick, it was probably time you got some feedback on those suggestions of yours. I'm sorry it didn't happen earlier, but I thought Steve got back to you on that one long ago.

While we appreciated that you gave your input and a different angle of view on things, we couldn't endorse your suggestions. Simply because they would have brought the RP board to how it was back before the last big cleanup, with nothing to restrict the sticky roleplays to become the big tumors both Milkyway and Robert have allready very colorfully described. It would probably get rid of the problems we have now, but open up for other ones. I want to aim for something that comes as close as possible to erasing them all together.

Since Nick brought it up, I have to agree here too. I've also made suggestions for the RP board, but they go ignored or not really considered, and it takes another staff member (Asper) in order to get some change going on. Kinda uncool, man.

Yes I know, and I agree it shouldn't be like this. However, if your suggestions were those I seem to remember, then take comfort in that the revamp will be a move in that direction.

I'd rather not be as mysterious as I am right now, but I want to make sure it's doable before promising anything. And also because some necessary parts of the new system might be unpopular at first, and I don't really feel like staying up all night defending them.

And with that, I think I'll have to creep to bed. Please let the discussion remain civil in my absence.

[Fluxy]

Okay Nick, it was probably time you got some feedback on those suggestions of yours. I'm sorry it didn't happen earlier, but I thought Steve got back to you on that one long ago.

While we appreciated that you gave your input and a different angle of view on things, we couldn't endorse your suggestions. Simply because they would have brought the RP board to how it was back before the last big cleanup, with nothing to restrict the sticky roleplays to become the big tumors both Milkyway and Robert have allready very colorfully described. It would probably get rid of the problems we have now, but open up for other ones. I want to aim for something that comes as close as possible to erasing them all together.

Well, it doesn't mean much anymore. I was never given a chance to expand my plans and ideas to make it alright, so it obviously doesn't matter anymore. I know they were issues, and I know I had ideas that easily would have helped balance them out. But it doesn't matter now. If you, and all the other mods say that you can fix the issues of the RP section, Fine. So be it.

If I do remember correctly though, not every single one of them were around -just- that.