Fluxy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I wasn't refering to you Nick, you were here long before that from what i remember. And don't worry I'm not making a quick assumtion, This has been on my mind for months as you already know.I know it has been, and I didn't assume you were including me. But, pleas just set that little debate aside for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Are You telling me?! That The Reason you PUT SO MUCH EFFORT into changing what WE LIKED, was because YOU 3 Didn't like the way things were being Ran!!!!??? That is exactly what I am saying. The RP section, at that time, had odd, overtly restrictive rules and was all but inaccessable. Ironically, your RP you liked followed none of these rules and that's why it was shut down, and reopened under a different name and under a better administration in Nick and a slightly better ruleset.But we've been over this so many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 That is exactly what I am saying. The RP section, at that time, had odd, overtly restrictive rules and was all but inaccessable. Ironically, your RP you liked followed none of these rules and that's why it was shut down, and reopened under a different name and under a better administration in Nick and a slightly better ruleset.But we've been over this so many times.But everything was running well, and Everyone was ejoying themself's without any fights what so ever. Why Did you have to Assume everything would go to shit? Nobody could see the future, not even you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 But everything was running well, and Everyone was ejoying themself's without any fights what so ever. Why Did you have to Assume everything would go to shit? Nobody could see the furture, not even you... My sincerest apologies, OWA, but I am not talking about nor do I care about that tired Hotel subject right now. I just said it wasn't even following the rules we pushed to change, so it has no place in this conversation, as we're focusing on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 The hotel topic is a stagnent corpse, let us not prod it in hopes of something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 That isn't entirely what he is saying, Asper. Each and everyone person has great ideas, but it is also fair to say the said ideas have just as equal issues.The issue he is saying that since you two are so close together, it is practically the same, if not altered by a few percent, that it is almost like one person's ideas. He is saying that unless you give it chances to be seen and responded to, you won't be able to realize what could make it stronger, or, if it is even a good idea at all.I do hope there was never a doubt that I'd actually reveal the final oucast, for public feedback, before it was implented? I'm allready airing the idea with others outside the staff area, to make sure it's not downright stupid before it's laid out for you.And I have to add, the things I were pushing for were only half-realized. Most of the proposed changes were brushed off, as Robert testified to earlier in the thread. The bottom line is, when I showed up, the RP section was flawed and restrictive. Robert and I banded together to improve it, and while not succeeding perse, pushed it in the right direction. It seems we weren't really listened to and the staff talked about it instead.Well let me return the question. What makes you and Fira think you are the only ones with opinions that matter? I mean, we have problems down in the RP section, otherwise Nick, Robert and I wouldn't be here. We also know what these problems are, hence our argued cases mirroring each other. We also happen to be, forgive we if this comes off as whistle tooting, pretty intelligent and literatively developed, we know what's what with this stuff and we get pretty consistently ignored in favor of letting the two people with shiny yellow names handle -everything.- Staff conferences usually pools together several opinions and makes the best decision based on that, but in this particular case, your opinion is all there is as the staff doesn't RP.I'll have to respectfully disagree with your take on pushing it in the right direction. While the board had tons of problems before the rewamp, it gained a couple shiny new ones after it. Mostly not evident at first, as the RP queue we have now didn't build up overnight.As for the question, we don't think so. If we had, the new rules would have been implented back on monday. I've never doubted that you lot'd be able to contribute to improving the RP section, same with all the active players here. And I do also don't doubt we'd have a lot of wildly conflicting opinions on it. That's why we decide to make a fundation ourself, put it out on display, listen to your feedback and separate the corns of gold in them from the gravel, and improve it untill its ready for launch.Okay folks, I'll have to embrace the night now. Silly barrack rules. Please remain civil in my abscence. I'll be ready to listen to your questions and suggestions tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 where are these rules, might i ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 The hotel topic is a stagnent corpse, let us not prod it in hopes of something new.I'm confused by this post so were you for or against the old hotel? Just clarify for me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluxy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 where are these rules, might i ask?They have been keeping it hidden to only staff, and Rob, and those are the only ones that I know of they are trying to keep it secret to. We hopefully will be able to see them soon.And, Asper, with the way it went, and the way some other ideas were treated, I honestly didn't know anything of how it would go. I have personal issues with things, which I already have made clear within the past days, so in my defense, I do have doubt. And from what it sounds from Milky, there are issues with the ideas in such strong suggestion, leading to more doubt and concern. Blind faith right now goes only so far.I'm confused by this post so were you for or against the old hotel? Just clarify for me please.And Kursed, come on... Not the time. You should know that by now. Really not the time. It doesn't matter, and can be -easily- answered through PM. Come on, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm confused by this post so were you for or against the old hotel? Just clarify for me please.He's saying we should stop talking about the Hotel because it's nothing but a drama machine at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashikage Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 He's saying we should stop talking about the Hotel because it's nothing but a drama machine at this point.^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm confused by this post so were you for or against the old hotel? Just clarify for me please.That does not matter, i was referring to the massive amounts of RAGE Dedicated towards it. but yes, i did enjoy it while it was up. But that beyond the point.They have been keeping it hidden to only staff, and Rob, and those are the only ones that I know of they are trying to keep it secret to. We hopefully will be able to see them soon.He's saying we should stop talking about the Hotel because it's nothing but a drama machine at this point.And yes,, Xort once again proves he understandsThats one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. Honestly, i felt an IQ point die in agony. Why not let the people who the rules apply to see them? Thats Innane!^ thisLET ME POST... GOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylum Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm curious. Why do you people care so much about this? It's an rp board. Some of you are defending it like it's a life changing object that should be defended to death. Is it really that important to you all that you cause everyone to stress out over and turn a good day bad?Or is it just the challenge of getting your ideas implemented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm curious. Why do you people care so much about this? It's an rp board. Some of you are defending it like it's a life changing object that should be defended to death. Is it really that important to you all that you cause everyone to stress out over and turn a good day bad?Or is it just the challenge of getting your ideas implemented?it's the only hobby i can get to that isn't stressful, I can't afford books and i'm to busy taking stuff similar to the staff's problem on my server which takes up most of my time at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm curious. Why do you people care so much about this? It's an rp board. Some of you are defending it like it's a life changing object that should be defended to death. Is it really that important to you all that you cause everyone to stress out over and turn a good day bad?Or is it just the challenge of getting your ideas implemented?I care because it's a problem right now, and I'd rather see it actually prosper. SFO is not an RPing site, sure, but that's hardly an excuse for neglectful planning. If you include something like this on a forum, best to do it right. In the entirety of my stay here, that hasn't been realized, and ergo, I aim to remedy that. Plus I'm a bit annoyed at how suggestions and contributions are being handled, shining examples being Fira's big "PM me and tell me what to do" take on her job and the whole hiding the discussion where only two people with like opinions will see, care, and bother editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I care because it's a problem right now, and I'd rather see it actually prosper. SFO is not an RPing site, sure, but that's hardly an excuse for neglectful planning. If you include something like this on a forum, best to do it right. In the entirety of my stay here, that hasn't been realized, and ergo, I aim to remedy that. Plus I'm a bit annoyed at how suggestions and contributions are being handled, shining examples being Fira's big "PM me and tell me what to do" take on her job and the whole hiding the discussion where only two people with like opinions will see, care, and bother editing.Honestly things were going very smoothly despite a little slowness on the approval part till the hotel went down in flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Honestly things were going very smoothly despite a little slowness on the approval part till the hotel went down in flames.Tell that to DZ. Or Robert. Or Xort. Or me. Or Sabre for that matter. Heck, a lot of people had issues with the current ruleset and it even discouraged them from joining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I care because it's a problem right now, and I'd rather see it actually prosper. SFO is not an RPing site, sure, but that's hardly an excuse for neglectful planning. If you include something like this on a forum, best to do it right. In the entirety of my stay here, that hasn't been realized, and ergo, I aim to remedy that. Plus I'm a bit annoyed at how suggestions and contributions are being handled, shining examples being Fira's big "PM me and tell me what to do" take on her job and the whole hiding the discussion where only two people with like opinions will see, care, and bother editing.Like I've said dude, The Rp Section was Actually working without any flaws in activity nor any problems with people coming in. And The Rules at the time Were Outdated for a while to begin with.The rules before the Recent modifications were set up Because of a 'Rant' From a former member on the site 'going ballistic' in an argument on an Rp. Which was brought to Dz's Attention like you did, and that was understandable since it actually show's that an action was needed at that moment. What is bothering me about THIS Major change During September, where you and a small few amount of members that have never complained about anything like that before, is that Serious Action was Taken When things clearly weren't out of hand or out of control to the point where everything had to be removed and replaced.Tell that to DZ. Or Robert. Or Xort. Or me. Or Sabre for that matter. Heck, a lot of people had issues with the current ruleset and it even discouraged them from joining.yeah, but from what i remember you said to me in an IM that you were able to 'convince' them to help you. And you Gave alot more info on Everyone's thoughts on the subject then most poeple would say, Which honestly alot of us found rather mistrustful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Like I've said dude, The Rp Section was Actually working without any flaws in activity nor any problems with people coming in. And The Rules at the time Were Outdated for a while to begin with.The rules before the Recent modifications were set up Because of a 'Rant' From a former member on the site 'going ballistic' in an argument on an Rp. Which was brought to Dz's Attention like you did, and that was understandable since it actually show's that an action was needed at that moment. What is bothering me about THIS Major change During September, where you and a small few amount of members that have never complained about anything like that before, is that Serious Action was Taken When things clearly weren't out of hand or out of control to the point where everything had to be removed and replaced.Summarizing this paragraph; "There were no problems until you meddled, oh except for this problem here and there but THOSE DON'T COUNT it was your fault!"Nobody except you cares about the damned Hotel right now, if you're going to insist on constantly bring this up over and over again, please leave the topic and let the adults actually go over things with a semblance of relevance to them.For the final time, the Hotel and RP rules were unrelated.yeah, but from what i remember you said to me in an IM that you were able to 'convince' them to help you. And you Gave alot more info on Everyone's thoughts on the subject then most poeple would say, Which honestly alot of us found rather mistrustful...And I don't even know what you're talking about here. 5 bucks say it has to do with the hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashikage Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 The hotel topic is a stagnent corpse, let us not prod it in hopes of something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Summarizing this paragraph; "There were no problems until you meddled, oh except for this problem here and there but THOSE DON'T COUNT it was your fault!"Nobody except you cares about the damned Hotel right now, if you're going to insist on constantly bring this up over and over again, please leave the topic and let the adults actually go over things with a semblance of relevance to them.For the final time, the Hotel and RP rules were unrelated.And I don't even know what you're talking about here. 5 bucks say it has to do with the hotel.Okay i'm fed up with this The current rules were put on when a Discussion topic that had absolutly nothing to do with any of the roleplays was locked By Dz. Then he locked the Hotel rp's and all the others that were stickied seemly because of that ONE topic that was locked which had nothing to do with any of the roleplays personnally to me it looked like that one topic Shut down Everything That did not put me on very good terms with Dz at the time.And Milky do me a huge favor and: STOP SUMMARIZING QUOTES FROM PEOPLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Really now people, the next time someone brings up the Hotel I'm going to delete their posts and anything related as such. No one wants to keep hearing about it for the millionth time in this topic. How hard is this to undersatnd? And Milky do me a huge favor and: STOP SUMMARIZING QUOTES FROM PEOPLE!He is doing a huge favor by summarizing for people who are unwilling to tl'dr walls of text, and he every right to - as long as he's accurate in doing so that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Okay i'm fed up with this The current rules were put on when a Discussion topic that had absolutly nothing to do with any of the roleplays was locked By Dz. Then he locked the Hotel rp's and all the others that were stickied seemly because of that ONE topic that was locked which had nothing to do with any of the roleplays personnally to me it looked like that one topic Shut down Everything That did not put me on very good terms with Dz at the time.And Milky do me a huge favor and: STOP SUMMARIZING QUOTES FROM PEOPLE!Nobody except you cares about the damned Hotel right now, if you're going to insist on constantly bring this up over and over again, please leave the topic and let the adults actually go over things with a semblance of relevance to them.For the final time, the Hotel and RP rules were unrelated. Staff Comment: No personal attacks Ninja'd by User... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I should have said this before also, but any personal attacks from now on will be edited from future posts or the post might very well be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Staff Comment: Enough is enough people, if anything, if you guys have beefs with each other take it to PM and not publicaly like I asked both of you not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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