Proposal for changes in the RP board

[Asper Sarnoff]

Greetings, roleplayers of SF-O. Due to it having been long evident that the current RP board has been in need of an overhauling, a proposal of a series of changes to address those issues have been worked out, and will now revealed for you to see, and give feedback on.

*Removal of RP cap. Each player is allowed to run one RP at a time.

*Only roleplays judged to have enough support and a solid foundation to make it past more than a couple of pages will be approved. The RP creator will contact the RP mods to ask for the request to be judged, or rejudged if previously turned down. The difference on what should and shouldn't be approved is a fine and delicate decision that'd have to be taken by the individual RP mods. Whenever a RP mod turn down a request, they are to also act as advisors, offering tips and advice on what needs to be improved before it'll be approved.

*An adviced post-count limit. A player can only post X number of times in a single RP thread each day. This will prevent overactive players from taking over an RP completely, like the old sticky RP's, but allow them to roleplay till they puke provided they are in several RP's. This rule would be somewhat flexible, but still enforced to a certain degree.

*Since there won't be such a queue for the requests, the immediate closure of dead/dying/dormant roleplays isn't as critical anymore. Still, a clean and easy to navigate RP board is a bonus. It should not be flooded with dead RP's. Warning will be given both in the RP thread and to the RP creator by PM, to give it a chance of picking up again before being locked.

*Heavy emphasis on "player patrol". The roleplayers themself, and especially the RP creator/DM, should be doing their very best to spot any trouble rising in the RP's, hopefully solving it among themself if possible, and calling in for assistance if needed. This does of course not mean the RP mods won't be checking trough threads themself, but with the larger number of roleplays running, the cooperation of the RP community is needed to keep it as drama-free as possible.

These changed would replace or make obsolete current RP Board rules number 7,8 and 9, as well as the "Flow control notes".

Feel free to give your opinion on it, suggestion to changes and constructive feedback. But do remain civil while doing so.

[Sabre]

It might be worth wiping the requests que clean for ease of reading maybe? Not a big deal, but there is alot of dead floating in there.

Either way, the cap removal is a good one. I might consider coming back.

[Kursed]

personnly the post per player should be more of a understood rule."

[Scott7]

Other then the posts per player part, Everything in there sound's quite reasonable. It kinda seem like the old one from a while back, only with The Dm and a slight increase in How Rp's are approved. Though considering that there is a limit to this board on how many threads are allowed to be active,  It doesn't bother me.

But I have to note that the post-count isn't really the best of ideas imo a bad idea, I mean we wouldn't get many new comer's if they felt limited to how far they could go.

[Xortberg]

But I have to note that the post-count isn't really the best of ideas imo a bad idea, I mean we wouldn't get many new comer's if they felt limited to how far they could go.

I can't speak for all newcomers, but when I first looked at the RP board I was quite intimidated by just how often some of the users posted compared to the others. In my personal speculation, having a limit would actually be better for everyone. Newcomers wouldn't have to worry about how hard it might be to make themselves known compared to some of the people who post constantly, and it would force the regulars to really think about what they posted before they did - a sort of quality control. If you only have so many posts per day in a given RP, there's more inclination to avoid one-line wonders and really put thought into what you post.

*Removal of RP cap. Each player is allowed to run one RP at a time.

If nothing else, I think we can all agree that this rule rocks.

As far as everything else, I'm quite happy with it. The system itself is very good, I think, so it really just falls on those involved to make it work.

[Redeemer]

I can't speak for all newcomers, but when I first looked at the RP board I was quite intimidated by just how often some of the users posted compared to the others. In my personal speculation, having a limit would actually be better for everyone. Newcomers wouldn't have to worry about how hard it might be to make themselves known compared to some of the people who post constantly, and it would force the regulars to really think about what they posted before they did - a sort of quality control. If you only have so many posts per day in a given RP, there's more inclination to avoid one-line wonders and really put thought into what you post.

I agree. I pooped bricks when I first saw how often people were posting. I thought that I would never be able to keep up.

[Sabre]

Fun fact for you newbies here. One of the big problems when the RPs first started was exactly that, runaway RPs. Basicly there was a small group of posters who were on constantly, and made about 90% of the posts. That might be an exageration, but you get the idea.

Now let's say Asper made a RP, went to bed, often he would wake up the next morning and find about 5 pages of RP and now he was completely removed from his own story.

[Fira-Astrali]

It might be worth wiping the requests que clean for ease of reading maybe? Not a big deal, but there is alot of dead floating in there.

I went through and locked things that hadn't been posted in for awhile, but I'm going to go back and post something in every open thread to see if there's still interest. Once the proper ones have been locked, i'm going to clean it all out.

[Scott7]

I agree. I pooped bricks when I first saw how often people were posting. I thought that I would never be able to keep up.

Hmph, yeah I remember the first few before it went to 100 Which i agree was pretty intimidating . But The Thing i liked about the hotel when it was still around is that the Former Rp moderator Used to lock it and Re-open another with the same name whenever it got to 150 pages make the tension's seem a bit easier for the New Comers. In-fact, Alot of players started out there as their first Roleplay thread, And They seemed to really enjoy the experience from how quickly the Veteran's interacted when they first walked in through the doors.

Though still, it is kind of a double edged sword.... But i have a question about that part of the proposal, Would that [X] in there mean the owner of a new Rp could Decide whether he/she wanted a post limit or not?

[Asper Sarnoff]

Though still, it is kind of a double edged sword.... But i have a question about that part of the proposal, Would that [X] in there mean the owner of a new Rp could Decide whether he/she wanted a post limit or not?

No, it's because the exact number is still to be decided, and open to suggestions.

[Fluxy]

*Only roleplays judged to have enough support and a solid foundation to make it past more than a couple of pages will be approved. The RP creator will contact the RP mods to ask for the request to be judged, or rejudged if previously turned down. The difference on what should and shouldn't be approved is a fine and delicate decision that'd have to be taken by the individual RP mods. Whenever a RP mod turn down a request, they are to also act as advisors, offering tips and advice on what needs to be improved before it'll be approved.

*An adviced post-count limit. A player can only post X number of times in a single RP thread each day. This will prevent overactive players from taking over an RP completely, like the old sticky RP's, but allow them to roleplay till they puke provided they are in several RP's. This rule would be somewhat flexible, but still enforced to a certain degree.

Now, in my opinion, so long as all the RP mods can be great judges on this, and I mean really good about it, I agree that this can easily fix issues.

But, I do have one small issue that might simply just be thrown aside in some cases.

As it is seen, we get newer Role Players each week, and let's say all those who want to run an RP do. That leaves those who just joined without an option. So that makes me want to confirm the fact that the Complex will stay for those who have no opportunity in later dates to participate in story based Role Plays.

Also, I am the GM of the Complex, a sticky RP. Does this give me no right to run an RP that is based on a small story/plot and such? I just want simple confirmation from the RP mods on this.

I am perfectly fine with these changes, but I do believe we still need another Mod. I mean, I am more than happy Asper is helping out, and that is great! But his time zone strain is going to cause a lot less moderation for those of us in the PST and close to that.

[Milkyway64]

My thoughts;

*Removal of RP cap. Each player is allowed to run one RP at a time.

Nnnnng, I disagree. The problem with this is that it'd spread everyone out and we'd have a whole bunch of RPs and too few players to actually care about them. Maybe if this rule was mixed with a limit, maybe 7-8 RPs active at a time but only one per user. I dunno, I just have a bad feeling by the sound of this one.

*Only roleplays judged to have enough support and a solid foundation to make it past more than a couple of pages will be approved. The RP creator will contact the RP mods to ask for the request to be judged, or rejudged if previously turned down. The difference on what should and shouldn't be approved is a fine and delicate decision that'd have to be taken by the individual RP mods. Whenever a RP mod turn down a request, they are to also act as advisors, offering tips and advice on what needs to be improved before it'll be approved.

O hay, I think I take back my previous statement. Well yes, this works out nicely, then. So let's get this straight, the RP cap is removed, but we now only allow decent-to-good ones get approved to avoid clutter. Milky approves.

Only thing I have left to add is we may need another RP mod since Asper is one guy with limited time.

*An adviced post-count limit. A player can only post X number of times in a single RP thread each day. This will prevent overactive players from taking over an RP completely, like the old sticky RP's, but allow them to roleplay till they puke provided they are in several RP's. This rule would be somewhat flexible, but still enforced to a certain degree.

HECK YES.avi

This rule would work best if the limit was forgiving but not -too- forgiving. Maybe like 15-20 posts a day. This makes it so a busy RP can do it's thing while preventing two players from going back and forth in the scenario Sabre presented.

*Since there won't be such a queue for the requests, the immediate closure of dead/dying/dormant roleplays isn't as critical anymore. Still, a clean and easy to navigate RP board is a bonus. It should not be flooded with dead RP's. Warning will be given both in the RP thread and to the RP creator by PM, to give it a chance of picking up again before being locked.

Sounds good, just as long as it gets done.

*Heavy emphasis on "player patrol". The roleplayers themself, and especially the RP creator/DM, should be doing their very best to spot any trouble rising in the RP's, hopefully solving it among themself if possible, and calling in for assistance if needed. This does of course not mean the RP mods won't be checking trough threads themself, but with the larger number of roleplays running, the cooperation of the RP community is needed to keep it as drama-free as possible.

Also sounds good. A big problem with the RP section back in the sticky RP days was they were entirely policed by the mods and not very well so. The mod's main job should be management in switching in/out old and new RPs, reading through ideas, upholding quality, and occasional glances at the RPs themselves for rule breaking.

[Star Fox Runner]

I agree with the post count rule. One reason I don't RP anymore is that when I would stop for a little while and come back later, it would be 5 pages ahead, and I would be totally lost.

Seems like this could get better.

[Fluxy]

I agree with the post count rule. One reason I don't RP anymore is that when I would stop for a little while and come back later, it would be 5 pages ahead, and I would be totally lost.

Seems like this could get better.

I know what you mean. With this, it makes each post a bit more scared, with something to look forward to the next day or so, making more people want to join in.

[Arashikage]

I am perfectly fine with these changes, but I do believe we still need another Mod. I mean, I am more than happy Asper is helping out, and that is great! But his time zone strain is going to cause a lot less moderation for those of us in the PST and close to that.

I dunno, Sylum is back, I think the mods are doing good as they are

[Fluxy]

I dunno, Sylum is back, I think the mods are doing good as they are

With how things have been handled on their end on multiple occasions, I mean no disrespect to any of the RP mods by this, it has shown less than wanted Leadership skills, along with other unwanted habits.

Again, I think Fira is an awesome person, and same goes just as much for Sylum, I love them both, but I believe with the way issues have been handled, that they are both constantly busy, and unable to spend a proper amount of time for the moderation of the section.

I did not suggest that they be removed, as I have no ground to say that to anyone. But with how everything was before this, and these new changes, I still believe we need another mod for the RP section.

[Arashikage]

Okay, but Asper has only been in for a day now, why don't we wait to see what happens?

[Redeemer]

I think another RP mod would be a good thing, because that stops the pressure falling on Sylum and Fira when things like this happen to the RP section. And with the new rules, I think the RP will get busier.

Maybe we don't need one right now, but in the future it may be worth considering? :?

[Fluxy]

I will agree on those both notes. Maybe not now, of course, but I know that another Mod will definitely be needed with how busy Fira and Sylum already are, along with Asper's time zone.

[Sylum]

I gotta ask, why does everyone like the post count idea as soon as asper says it but when It was fira and my own idea, people threatened to leave?

[Fluxy]

I gotta ask, why does everyone like the post count idea as soon as asper says it but when It was fira and my own idea, people threatened to leave?

More than likely change of times, along with the corruption the Lounge RP's held. Again, many things make others not see clearly. Especially with the idea of making it -really- low, during a time where people have much more granted activity time. That was some of the issues. If done during school, that is fine, as people feel that is perfectly understandable. But if made such a low amount for everyone during summer, it just cause trolling rage.

[Milkyway64]

I gotta ask, why does everyone like the post count idea as soon as asper says it but when It was fira and my own idea, people threatened to leave?

Because back then the RP section was ruled by a certain group of people in an IM style RP that thrived on several, unimaginative posts.

You know, back when it was bad. Now we actually have a standard of quality and smarter people who realize the merit of the rule.

[Kursed]

I agree. I pooped bricks when I first saw how often people were posting. I thought that I would never be able to keep up.

However this rule can also be imtimdatgin for people who can keep up. so this needs to be a very resonable number.

[Milkyway64]

However this rule can also be imtimdatgin for people who can keep up. so this needs to be a very resonable number.

No, because "those people who can" were the problem. Sabre said it nicely, two people get so far ahead that everyone else is put on an awkward bus.

[Redeemer]

However this rule can also be imtimdatgin for people who can keep up. so this needs to be a very resonable number.

I wouldn't say it would intimidate the members who can keep up. They may feel repressed, yeah, but quantity is not quality. We need an even pace that everyone is happy with.