Proposal for changes in the RP board

[DZComposer]

I'm not so sure I want to add more mods. The way we do Mods now is that all mods are full mods, and there are specialty areas where certain mods have responsibility for, but they have mod powers everywhere.

Maybe an RP clerk group could be created where a few people could be appointed to help the process, but they'd only have lock and move permissions, not full-on mod powers or staff board access. Deletion would need to be done by a mod.

[Fluxy]

I'm not so sure I want to add more mods. The way we do Mods now is that all mods are full mods, and there are specialty areas where certain mods have responsibility for, but they have mod powers everywhere.

Maybe an RP clerk group could be created where a few people could be appointed to help the process, but they'd only have lock and move permissions, not full-on mod powers or staff board access. Deletion would need to be done by a mod.

The issue of why we would add more is mainly because we just don't have many mods that are A] Interested in the RP section or B] Not on enough from many past experiences. Making clerk positions would basically just be giving the ideals and duties of a mod to users, while letting the bigger stuff be done by those who aren't on as much.

It just seems silly. I get why you wouldn't want more mods completely, as the staff is big as it is, but if some mods aren't doing as much due to their schedules, and one of them has to pull up most of the slack, that is not very cool for that one who is doing it. Even if they are okay with it.

And why is it then that RP mods have power everywhere, if they themselves are meant to be specialized, just, with a different stand by set of things they mod? Because in that sense, all the staff are full mods, with exception of the admins.

[Milkyway64]

I'm not so sure I want to add more mods. The way we do Mods now is that all mods are full mods, and there are specialty areas where certain mods have responsibility for, but they have mod powers everywhere.

Maybe an RP clerk group could be created where a few people could be appointed to help the process, but they'd only have lock and move permissions, not full-on mod powers or staff board access. Deletion would need to be done by a mod.

This does sound like the best compromise as things stand. A small team of judges would be more fair and efficient than just 1 with an occasional helper.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

For now, I'll say I'm OK with the proposal but I'll check back here later to see if there are any updates.

[DZComposer]

The issue of why we would add more is mainly because we just don't have many mods that are A] Interested in the RP section or B] Not on enough from many past experiences. Making clerk positions would basically just be giving the ideals and duties of a mod to users, while letting the bigger stuff be done by those who aren't on as much.

It just seems silly. I get why you wouldn't want more mods completely, as the staff is big as it is, but if some mods aren't doing as much due to their schedules, and one of them has to pull up most of the slack, that is not very cool for that one who is doing it. Even if they are okay with it.

They are mainly to help with the new RP approval process. GMs are supposed to help moderate their own RPs, so adding a bunch of new RP mods I think puts too many cooks in the kitchen.

And why is it then that RP mods have power everywhere, if they themselves are meant to be specialized, just, with a different stand by set of things they mod? Because in that sense, all the staff are full mods, with exception of the admins.

Because there were many instances of RP mods reporting issues elsewhere to the full mods, so we decided to just save the headache and give them mod powers everywhere. The reason the designation still exists is so people know who to contact about RP.

[Fluxy]

They are mainly to help with the new RP approval process. GMs are supposed to help moderate their own RPs, so adding a bunch of new RP mods I think puts too many cooks in the kitchen.

You wouldn't be adding a bunch, DZ, just one more that is on more, and during this time gap. I do understand you, but with the way this is all going, the mod that is going to be doing a lot of the work is going to be Asper, and even then, they are not on during a period where RP'ing is in it's prime.

Because there were many instances of RP mods reporting issues elsewhere to the full mods, so we decided to just save the headache and give them mod powers everywhere. The reason the designation still exists is so people know who to contact about RP.

Alright, that makes sense, and is understandable.

[Robert Monroe]

Yes, I like these new rules.

And remember guys: the post count rule limit is going to be flexible. Assume we have a 20 post limit, that's 20 posts PER role play. 20 posts is a -lot-, enough to make 2 pages of topic I think by yourself. If you have a RP with at least 5 people who all max out their posts in a topic for a day, thats 100 posts. Thats highly productive activity, and you can still post in -other- role plays too.

[Fluxy]

Yes, I like these new rules.

And remember guys: the post count rule limit is going to be flexible. Assume we have a 20 post limit, that's 20 posts PER role play. 20 posts is a -lot-, enough to make 2 pages of topic I think by yourself. If you have a RP with at least 5 people who all max out their posts in a topic for a day, thats 100 posts. Thats highly productive activity, and you can still post in -other- role plays too.

Just wanted to say, ^This. And even if only 15, that is still a huge amount of activity if you actually take the time to think about it.

[ballisticwaffles]

Yes, I like these new rules.

And remember guys: the post count rule limit is going to be flexible. Assume we have a 20 post limit, that's 20 posts PER role play. 20 posts is a -lot-, enough to make 2 pages of topic I think by yourself. If you have a RP with at least 5 people who all max out their posts in a topic for a day, thats 100 posts. Thats highly productive activity, and you can still post in -other- role plays too.

amd a massive improvement over the last attempted limit

[Sabre]

I am perfectly fine with these changes, but I do believe we still need another Mod. I mean, I am more than happy Asper is helping out, and that is great! But his time zone strain is going to cause a lot less moderation for those of us in the PST and close to that.

People outside the US have had the issue far worse then you for a while now. I don't see how the time zone makes you special.

[Fluxy]

People outside the US have had the issue far worse then you for a while now. I don't see how the time zone makes you special.

That was really uncalled for, and rude. I am stating out a perfect reason as to why would be needing one. Whether it is viewed as one, it is there. The fact is, RP happens at most times mainly after the period of time he needs to leave, and I was pointing that out.

That doesn't make me special in the least, don't be making assumptions like that.

[Redeemer]

Let's be civil about this, no personal digs or I'll edit them. :3

[Asper Sarnoff]

Due to the overall positive response to the proposed changes, it's looking like it will be implented. I'll probably get it up and running over the weekend, so those who've yet to give their 0.02$ still have a little time to do that.

As for the post limit rule, I'm thinking somewhere from 10 to 15 per RP per day. More than that, and it would get to the point where it wouldn't have that much of an effect. Less, and it becomes too restrictive.

[Kursed]

I pm'd you my concerns and ideas.

[Milkyway64]

Shoulda put them in this topic.

You know, so everyone can think about them and maybe vote for them to be in.

[Icy]

Shoulda put them in this topic.

You know, so everyone can think about them and maybe vote for them to be in.

And start another debate?

I like the new rules. I never really noticed anything going wrong in the RP section, but I never did go there. I understand a lot more now.

In my mind, I don't use the Internet all day, but I do use it quite a lot as well. And I could probably only stick in 6-7 posts at maximum in any RP per day. Just my view, but I am new to RPs, after all.

15 sounds good for everyone, though.

[Fluxy]

Due to the overall positive response to the proposed changes, it's looking like it will be implented. I'll probably get it up and running over the weekend, so those who've yet to give their 0.02$ still have a little time to do that.

As for the post limit rule, I'm thinking somewhere from 10 to 15 per RP per day. More than that, and it would get to the point where it wouldn't have that much of an effect. Less, and it becomes too restrictive.

Alright, sounds good. And even if there might be no new mods, I do believe DZ's idea on a clerk would be helpful, just so if some mods do go away again for whatever reason, it wouldn't be up to just one mod.

And for post limit, I think fifteen would be a good number, I mean, because now-a-days, yesterday as an example, when "The Mimic" got really active, I don't believe I posted even more than 7-10. And since that was with a small amount of people, I think it would be an okay assumption to say 15 would be a balanced number, and still rare if hit that high, you know? And then from that point it would be up to GM's to mod their own RP for crowd control.

[Robert Monroe]

10 seems a bit too low. I did some scouring in the archives, and apparently back in Januraru 2010 or sometime in 2009 there was a 10 post rule and it didn't work so well. 15 seems adequate, I suppose.

[Xortberg]

I don't know if you can tell, but it's fairly obvious you are wanting to be that mod. Mods are chosen based on friends in 'high' places. Suck up to one of the admins if that's what you really want. RP activity or quality counts for nothing.

I don't know if you can tell, but you're basically being a cuntbag and should shut it.

[Fluxy]

I don't know if you can tell, but it's fairly obvious you are wanting to be that mod. Mods are chosen based on friends in 'high' places. Suck up to one of the admins if that's what you really want. RP activity or quality counts for nothing.

I don't know if you can tell, but you're basically being a cuntbag and should shut it.

No no, Xort. Don't go wasting words on him. It is obvious he has beef with me, and I might as well come out and say what I feel should have been said a while ago. I am gonna take one from Milky now, although, not go as bad as he can get, but I am gonna be speaking my mind more on this one.

I shall start, and end in the same manner. Would I mind being an RP mod? Hell no. I think it would be pretty nice. But that is not why I am doing all this.

I have issues with easily both of the mods on the RP section; most of them residing with Fira, but I do have issues with Asper and Sylum as well. Fira on the first hand I believe  is very unpredictable and consistently not consistent with her work. In the begining of becoming a mod, she shown work, and that is what is liked to see! But come past events, and even now, it is just odd, and not realistic. She made check ups on nearly, if not all, RP requests, seeing how their input and support on it was. She even did this to one that had the RP request up for less than one week. Sure, this shows a sudden uprising, but that is mainly due to the feeling of insult/threatened, which is obvious at least one of those have taken affect to her. This uproar in product will not last long, and when it is lasting, it will be only affecting her, self stated, memory issue.

With Asper, this honestly seems that his number one priority in this is to protect Fira, rather than the RP section. He has been the one defending her all this time compared to defending herself. Him jumping in to save the RP section, again, I am sorry if I am wrong by a long shot, just purely seems because he is defending his loved one. He could have just as easily done all this, stay a full mod, and we would still be in the same point we are at now. Changing his name to yellow did not do much, if anything.

With Sylum, I don't have as much beef. It is only fair though in the end that I give my judgment on all three members other than just one or two, as that is not fair and or right. He has shown the most consistency and right reason to be in the RP mod slot compared to the other two. He has easily done more work than Fira. And although less than Asper in recent news, he at least seems the most in it due to what a mod should  be doing it for. Not for the title, or to protect your loved one, or just to be a mod. But just to help out the RP section in a higher way.

Now, all the mods should have known by now, if not even by summer, that I wouldn't mind being a mod. That should have been obvious before all this, but I am doing this out of different reason. I have even been holding back my tongue on some things because I am told that I should take a sympathetic route to keep the mods on my side. But that only leads them into more bad habits than getting critical outside assessments from what their work as shown the public. I have been saying that I understand the mods are busy, and honestly, no. Let me rephrase. Busy=Lazy in my mind. Fira claims to be on a lot, and that might  be. But why is she never shown online, hmm? And even Asper admits to taking time away from what she should be doing by talking to her, making her memory slip of what duties she was working on, causing many people to be left in the dark, including myself for one, and her job not to be done properly.

In conclusion, it is obvious that a lot of the users, along with some mods, agree that the certain RP mod(s) are not doing their job, but apparently out of all the ones to Saber's definition that have an impact on the staff, none of them will speak. So I am speaking right now. I offer the idea for more mods because it is obvious people sure as heck aren't happy with the ones we have now, whether it be how they do their job, to the reason, the consistency, or even the quality. This is meant to be a non-corrupt setting, unlike our actual government [Going to use the USA, but it is common in MANY, if not all, places in the world] where just because you can bribe someone higher than you, or your are kiss asses to them, or easily manipulatable, that you become a mod, or someone who apparently has a say in how things are done on a higher level.

If someone is doing their job to a bad degree, and inconsistently, do you keep them? No. They get fired, and you hire new ones who are more fitting. This can also be related to RP requests and a simpler terms. There so many queue spots. The ones seen as the best get picked to be in, and others wait. If one does a bad job, and is just taking up space and not doing what was entitled, it is kicked, and another more suitable RP is added in, is it not? The RP mods do this many a time, and therefore should understand what I am saying, as now it would just be a case of denial if they didn't. It is blunt, but true.

There. I am sorry if the view of myself is seen as bad now by simply speaking what many don't have the guts to say, including some mods, but someone has to do it, and I am that guy. That is my reason for this.

[Milkyway64]

Now that that's bluntly in the open, I have something else to address.

I don't know if you can tell, but it's fairly obvious you are wanting to be that mod. Mods are chosen based on friends in 'high' places. Suck up to one of the admins if that's what you really want. RP activity or quality counts for nothing.

Nah... NAW. You don't THINK, do you? I was TOTALLY fooled by the selfless demeaner and bold accusations made on an observant basis, his plan shot right by me with the way he's helping Robert and I get crap done. As a matter of fact, this turn of events has made me want to write a novel using the same sort of twist!

...HERPA DERPITY DERP, Sabre.

Okay, let me say that in a less sarcastic, smartass manner. Yes. Yes, Nick thinks his time and brain will benefit the RP section where it's been lacking, lately. Yes, Nick thinks that slapping that badge beside his name will better improve the chances of the place being efficiently pruned. Yes, you called out a very obvious point and then continued to spill semi-solid farts in the form of text out of your mouth.

Are you, in any way whatsoever, implying that Nick has shown nothing but active support and work for this little thing? If yes, do you have anything to support that backwards ass theory? My guess is no, and you're just being well, YOU just like you were earlier in the thread when you admitted to not reading any of the posts ITT in favor of going "WAAAAH MILKY AND ROBERT -LIKE- EACHOTHER, TRUST NEITHER OF THEM and all around making me want to punch a lizard.

Second, for the love of god please show me where having connections gets you staff positions. Because, eheh, I talk to Steve and DZ on a basis just short of daily. Not only that, but User was the only recently recruited mod and they didn't even KNOW anything about him, which is the opposite of your claims even if just as wrong.

I am sick of your negative nanciness blighting every intelligent discussion you so forcefully ram it into, save for the occasional one you actually act civil in.

I rest my (quite angry) case.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Your concern is valid Nick, and I won't deny that I probably wouldn't have dropped what I was currently holding and rush to action like I'd have done if it wasn't for Fira feeling she was the target of what seemed like a hate campaign. Yes, you can claim an attack wasn't your intention, but as I've stated numerous times before when Milky or Robert, have offended someone, don't judge how hard an impact your words have from when they leave your mouth, but from how hard they hit the receiver.

However, I believe that if you check the post date of the single post provided in this screen-cap from the staff board, you'd see I was aknowledging the RP board to be in trouble, and wanted to deal with it somehow. Even without keeping in mind the time zone difference, this was still posted just before Nick creater the thread that sparked all this.

Also, there's a couple of people in here who are dangerously close to getting a solid kick in their backside if they can't keep their posts about the topic at hand. I don't want to see mudslinging back and forth anymore. Is that understood?

[Fira-Astrali]

Alright, this might be pointless but I'll say it anyways

The reason I haven't been posting is that I have nothing left to say. I know I've done wrong and I've apologized. Now I'm going to get back to work instead of standing here saying the same things to the same ppl over and over again.

Also, Nick, if its that big a deal that I went into slugsnippa's rp thread so quickly, im sorry. I was just concerned that there had been alot of views and very few replies. I told Sabre on an open thread, I'm pretty sure it was even this one, that I was going to go through every thread in the rp section and get an idea of how they felt in terms of support, in reply to some of his concerns.

And, at this point, there isn't that much i can do to make anyone happy. If im 100% silent, i'll be in trouble, if im 100% active, i'll be accused of putting on airs. So.

And PS: Asper and I are in a personal relationship, not a symbiotic one. I still retained my ability to disagree with him, and he does not wait for permission from me to do everything, and the idea that we are 'practically the same person' is both stupid and somewhat insulting

[Steve]

I don't know if you can tell, but it's fairly obvious you are wanting to be that mod. Mods are chosen based on friends in 'high' places. Suck up to one of the admins if that's what you really want. RP activity or quality counts for nothing.

Sabre, it's beginning to be that time of the month where you get to be temp banned for being an ass, wanna get that soon?

[Fluxy]

Your concern is valid Nick, and I won't deny that I probably wouldn't have dropped what I was currently holding and rush to action like I'd have done if it wasn't for Fira feeling she was the target of what seemed like a hate campaign. Yes, you can claim an attack wasn't your intention, but as I've stated numerous times before when Milky or Robert, have offended someone, don't judge how hard an impact your words have from when they leave your mouth, but from how hard they hit the receiver.

However, I believe that if you check the post date of the single post provided in this screen-cap from the staff board, you'd see I was aknowledging the RP board to be in trouble, and wanted to deal with it somehow. Even without keeping in mind the time zone difference, this was still posted just before Nick creater the thread that sparked all this.

Okay, you took care of it all, that is good for the RP section. But if one pulling the weight of others for a while will at one point break you just from sheer annoyance, and/or complaints on somthing being wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that even with your time Zone you did work. That actually made me a bit happier. But that doesn't bring down the fact of all the other issues that are seen in the future either.

Alright, this might be pointless but I'll say it anyways

The reason I haven't been posting is that I have nothing left to say. I know I've done wrong and I've apologized. Now I'm going to get back to work instead of standing here saying the same things to the same ppl over and over again.

Also, Nick, if its that big a deal that I went into slugsnippa's rp thread so quickly, im sorry. I was just concerned that there had been alot of views and very few replies. I told Sabre on an open thread, I'm pretty sure it was even this one, that I was going to go through every thread in the rp section and get an idea of how they felt in terms of support, in reply to some of his concerns.

And, at this point, there isn't that much i can do to make anyone happy. If im 100% silent, i'll be in trouble, if im 100% active, i'll be accused of putting on airs. So.

And PS: Asper and I are in a personal relationship, not a symbiotic one. I still retained my ability to disagree with him, and he does not wait for permission from me to do everything, and the idea that we are 'practically the same person' is both stupid and somewhat insulting

It wasn't so much that you did that, as it is a good thing, but that you were posting in each one made me a little questionable as to why you were doing all this, and the fact you did it to one started so early ago just kinda added to the flames.

Well, you should know not to be 100% active. Rather than posting in ones you saw with less activity as well, you could have just asked those who had a good amount obvious support. I personally pointed it out because I saw a sudden out bursrt of posting like that would lead to what I predicted might happen, which is why I said it.

I understand that fine and well. But when all I hear is that two mods who were not very active at all at the time, and Asper were making these rules, my mind honestly thought a few things: I knew it was looking like Sylum was not going to be in the process much, since I haven't seen him for a while. And hearing from Asper on a couple occasions that some of these ideas were from you, and when I said it aloud, it obviously came out in an offensive way as I see now. I am sorry it offended you, but when you got this, knowing Asper was part of the team of Full mods, you and he had to expect the common things that go for all those who are in a relationship, and at a job. It should be something that if you are not used to it, you need to.