"User" Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 *Insert obligatory "we need more Krystal" lines here* Probably the most controversial Star Fox character in the history of the series and also the most decisive. What is your take on our "favourite" blue vixen? Personally, (and yes I'm completely bias for Krystal) she was a good addition. She added an element to Adventures and the following games that was sorely lacking the series plus she revitalized the series to an extent with the mass following of furries that now follow the games since 2002, for better or worse. Plus, she's hot. However that is just my opinion although I'm sure it's shared with the majority here. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 She's worth keeping around, just as a love interest for fox and a female character, balancing out the male cast. Otherwise she's very underdeveloped and what has been developed so far is unlikable. Mostly, Nintendo got her by accident, but she did bring in quite a few fans to the series. Probably just because she's a blue vixen who is...well endowed? And had to follow some bizarre dress code in SFA? I don't know. She's more sexually appealing than as an actual character. I wouldn't mind if they killed her off, as long as it was in a flashy way, e.g. getting torn apart, shot and bleeding out, sucked into the vacuum of space. I'm one for glorious deaths. She could also do one of those things where she sacrifices herself to save everybody. She'd at least be worth keeping around, that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze the Sage Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I think they need to do more with her as a character. In adventure, she was nothing but a damsel in distress who, while a bit ungrateful at the immediate moment of rescue, stopped by later to thank Fox properly. In Assault, she's a pilot who makes passes at Fox, a bit disappointed/amused at his horribly shy nature when it comes to such things. She ibviously has feelings for him, and worries about him, but other than serving as a Romantic option/interest for Fox, she really has no other personality. This is mostly why some people felt she was so out of character in Command. Before that, she'd only ever been portrayed as two things: No clue who the hell Fox is, just knowing that this dude has her staff, and 2) Very caring for Fox, worrying about him, and supporting him as best she can. In Command, she is portrayed as frustrated with him, bitter, and hostile over what's happened which, while perhaps understandable considering what had happened, was quite jarring to see such a massive turn in her behavior, when in reality it was our first real glimpse of personality from her other outside "I love Fox!" They need to really nail down a personality for her, and stick with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 As if I really need to post here, since everyone pretty much knows my thoughts anyway, but... Krystal is as good or as bad as her fanbase, really. She's cardboard and underdeveloped, but so is the rest of the freaking cast. She's there for her sex appeal, but that's not bad in and of itself, really. What really makes her horrible is the rabid group of horny furries who will, at all costs, jump to her defense if anyone so much as thinks something bad about her and ignore all evidence to the contrary. We used to have that problem, but the white-knighters seem to have calmed down quite a bit since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I couldn't agree with you more, Xort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 As if I really need to post here, since everyone pretty much knows my thoughts anyway, but... Krystal is as good or as bad as her fanbase, really. She's cardboard and underdeveloped, but so is the rest of the freaking cast. She's there for her sex appeal, but that's not bad in and of itself, really. What really makes her horrible is the rabid group of horny furries who will, at all costs, jump to her defense if anyone so much as thinks something bad about her and ignore all evidence to the contrary. We used to have that problem, but the white-knighters seem to have calmed down quite a bit since then. So in other words, your views are identical to that furry Milkyway64. How's he doing anyways - still feeling sick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 So in other words, your views are identical to that furry Milkyway64. How's he doing anyways - still feeling sick? Yeah, basically. I'm just less sexually attracted to her And as of last night, he was quite a bit better, but he hasn't woken up yet so I don't know how he'll be today. After that much sleep, he'd better be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Stop talking about me gais fer real! Krystal is as meh as they come. She needs work that they aren't giving her and yet she still has 9001 fanboys who religiously defend her no matter what you throw at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggsnipa Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Well....I agree with the points stated by USER and if she was more developed... there would be an actual reason to keep her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 As if I really need to post here, since everyone pretty much knows my thoughts anyway, but... AS IF I NEED T POST HERE. i don't. I like krystal, i love that she was included in the seires and was a valubal edittion in my oppion.she to me seems to be deep and teeming with inner emotions for fox. I don't want to here any oppions on my post, or any comments stating that i can't not love her cause i dont. I look up to her and love her as a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 AS IF I NEED T POST HERE. i don't. I like krystal, i love that she was included in the seires and was a valubal edittion in my oppion.she to me seems to be deep and teeming with inner emotions for fox. I don't want to here any oppions on my post, or any comments stating that i can't not love her cause i dont. I look up to her and love her as a friend. Well, here's how a forum works. People talk about things, and I'd like to talk about how you are a friend with someone you've never personally known or can conclude that she is deep or teeming with emotion when none of us have seen these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I promise i won't post here and i should'a never clicked ont his topic i don't want to talk about this again, you no what i think i no what you'll say, same old story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha Weltzin Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Not much more to be said, but I guess this topic is what "Your" disposition is toward her, so I guess I'll post my thoughts too, since it's asking so nicely. Krystal is about as stupid as any character in any action flick. That's pretty stupid. But it doesn't matter, because everyone else in the world is stupid too, so it negates her own idiocy. I'd love to see development for her, but I could hold my breath 'til I'm blue in the face. Get it? Because Krystal is blue? Shutupitsclever. D:< At any rate, she's got a lot of potential, she -could- make a nice addition if done right, and I like her physical character design. Shame the physical character design is about all she is, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Well....I agree with the points stated by USER and if she was more developed... there would be an actual reason to keep her. The only reason Nintendo's keeping her is that all the rabid group of horny furries like her (more specifically her chest and nether regions) and they keep sales up. She also balances out the cast. She's useless as of now. Until Nintendo tacks on a personality, I don't care what they do with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinigami Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I think they need to do more with her as a character. In adventure, she was nothing but a damsel in distress who, while a bit ungrateful at the immediate moment of rescue, stopped by later to thank Fox properly. In Assault, she's a pilot who makes passes at Fox, a bit disappointed/amused at his horribly shy nature when it comes to such things. She ibviously has feelings for him, and worries about him, but other than serving as a Romantic option/interest for Fox, she really has no other personality. This is mostly why some people felt she was so out of character in Command. Before that, she'd only ever been portrayed as two things: No clue who the hell Fox is, just knowing that this dude has her staff, and 2) Very caring for Fox, worrying about him, and supporting him as best she can. In Command, she is portrayed as frustrated with him, bitter, and hostile over what's happened which, while perhaps understandable considering what had happened, was quite jarring to see such a massive turn in her behavior, when in reality it was our first real glimpse of personality from her other outside "I love Fox!" They need to really nail down a personality for her, and stick with it. All this and possibly explain her backstory a little more. I'm curious about the character's past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Fox Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Krystal right now is eye candy and a means to break up the all male cast of Starfox (I don't count Kat Morone as she was a cameo and Fara and Myuu were never in the game.) I think Nintendo did not think through the possibility of Krystal being as popular a Fox. She was a damsel in distress in Adventures, but she outshined the other secondary team characters like Falco, Slippy and Peppy. Now Nintendo had to think about what to do with her. Assault was a good portrayal of her as a confident caring pilot on the team. Then Command came along and changed her personality again. I woul echo the pont that Nintendo needs to decide what to do with the Starfox franchise, not just Krystal. First start by choosing a developer who is willing to stick with the series for several games. Then decided on how the characters should be portrayed for the rest of the series. I hope the Starfox 3DS is a sign that Nintendo is trying to retcon the series or at least improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 She added an element to Adventures and the following games that was sorely lacking the series What was that, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 What was that, exactly? Romantic interest for Fox and...well...other furries. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Because as we all know, a story cannot function properly or support meaningful character development without a romance (that isn't developed on-screen) shoehorned into it. Maybe, MAYBE if they made her proactive...you know, did more than get trapped, then immediately forget her past, goals and ultimate quest to be with ~*~A MAN~*~ while trying to deal with her apparent multiple personality disorder, then a nice pair of boobs would be fine, but as Krystal currently stands, her personality is tertiary to her existence. Which may be fine, but uh, Star Fox could function perfectly well without her there. The first two games made it without a walking pair of tits, it's not outlandish to think the others would have suffered without her. Or, y'know, at least if they gave her a personality to support the junk in her trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha Weltzin Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Because as we all know, a story cannot function properly or support meaningful character development without a romance (that isn't developed on-screen) shoehorned into it. Maybe, MAYBE if they made her proactive...you know, did more than get trapped, then immediately forget her past, goals and ultimate quest to be with ~*~A MAN~*~ while trying to deal with her apparent multiple personality disorder, then a nice pair of boobs would be fine, but as Krystal currently stands, her personality is tertiary to her existence.My thoughts exactly. I'm sick of seeing female characters defined by their romantic relations to male characters. It's not only demeaning to women, as we hear all the time, but also just plain boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Because as we all know, a story cannot function properly or support meaningful character development without a romance (that isn't developed on-screen) shoehorned into it. At least it was an attempt though, it may have failed but IMO so did a lot of other attempts to make the story more meaningful and attracting. Maybe, MAYBE if they made her proactive...you know, did more than get trapped, then immediately forget her past, goals and ultimate quest to be with ~*~A MAN~*~ while trying to deal with her apparent multiple personality disorder, then a nice pair of boobs would be fine, but as Krystal currently stands, her personality is tertiary to her existence. Hey, those boobs brought a lot of interest into the series from people who initially didn't care. The background and initial intros concerning Krystal were very cliche I agree but regarding her personality...it's not THAT much worse than most of the other characters. I mean...the same personality complaints concerning Krystal could be applied amongst ALL the characters in the series - although maybe not to that bad of an extent. As it stands there is not one character in the video game series that has enough character development to my liking. Which may be fine, but uh, Star Fox could function perfectly well without her there. The first two games made it without a walking pair of tits, it's not outlandish to think the others would have suffered without her. Or, y'know, at least if they gave her a personality to support the junk in her trunk. Agreed, but I'm still of the mindset that if you kill off Krystal you're going to lose a good chunk of what popular support remains for Star Fox. In 2011 (and growing since 2002 for that matter) a sizable chunk of Star Fox "fans" got into the series because of Krystal. While it's true that many fans abandon the series because of Krystal I'm sure that if she never existed the series wouldn't be at it's current level of popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 At least it was an attempt though, it may have failed but IMO so did a lot of other attempts to make the story more meaningful and attracting. but regarding her personality...it's not THAT much worse than most of the other characters. So what you're saying is that in a yard full of dogsh!t, she just happens to be the pile that smells a bit better than the rest. A lot of those Krystal fanboys out there haven't even *played* Star Fox. If you haven't noticed, the series isn't exactly doing too hot. It's one of the absolute few Nintendo original titles without a Wii release, and five years after the last game, all we get is a remake? Yeah, that proves without a doubt that Krystal really brought so much attention to the series. "At least it was an attempt" is no excuse. Not when people are being paid to write these scripts. Like Krystal if you want, people, but for god's sake she's not exactly some sort of blue-boobed furry Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 So what you're saying is that in a yard full of dogsh!t, she just happens to be the pile that smells a bit better than the rest. A bit better? I clearly said it's not THAT much worse, implying that the other characters have slightly better development overall than Krystal. A lot of those Krystal fanboys out there haven't even *played* Star Fox. A small minority actually, considering I used to be an admin of the largest Krystal fan site with some of the most "disturbing" fans in the fandom over the last couple of years I can safely assure you that most have played at least one or two Star Fox games. If you haven't noticed, the series isn't exactly doing too hot. It's one of the absolute few Nintendo original titles without a Wii release, and five years after the last game, all we get is a remake? Blaming Krystal for a good deal of this is simply not feasible, the last three games in general have been on average not that amazing - it's only natural for the popularity of a series to die if the most recent games haven't been that good... Yeah, that proves without a doubt that Krystal really brought so much attention to the series. Again, you can't solely blame Krystal for this. It's quite clear on the contrary that she brought a lot of attention (albeit unneeded for some people) to the series. "At least it was an attempt" is no excuse. Not when people are being paid to write these scripts. Like Krystal if you want, people, but for god's sake she's not exactly some sort of blue-boobed furry Jesus. Of course it isn't an excuse, the devs need to do considerably better and Nintendo either needs to write the stories themselves or find people who have a proven track record in doing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I did not anywhere say that she was the sole reason for the series decline. That first quote you made that accusation towards didn't even mention her. What I said is that she didn't exactly make it a whole lot more popular, no matter how many wanking furries you got to see on your forum. Funnily enough, the grand majority of gamers aka the demographic of video games really don't care if that fox has tits so long as they can shoot stuff. What I also did say was that, while Krystal was not the sole bad thing to happen to the series, she didn't make it better. She's a plothole with a British accent. No, I am not advocating "killing her off" or anything else you may be hastily concluding I commend, because funnily enough I am not anti-Krystal, just anti-stupid plots. Fox is more iconic and, as you put it, "decisive" of a character (if that cryptic phrasing of yours means what I think it means), he is the main character, and he is the reason the game is called Star Fox. Tl;dr Krystal is not the best character ever, she does not deserve to be worshipped as the best character ever, especially by people who acknowledge that her development is flawed and the only good portrayal of her is their own varying headcanon (ie. most of her fanbase). edit: also, I think a Krystal fansite probably would have had some bias, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zorro de la Estrella Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I think Krystal is totally awesome and was a great addition to the series for several reasons. But like some others have said, Nintendo really needs to work on her character. They should just retcon Command and do a sequel to Assault where they continue adding to her character off that. Oh, and definitley explore her backstory. That's be a great first step in adding to her character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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