El Zorro de la Estrella Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Something this culture, as a whole, has lost is that you can have a great story without all the gore, excessive cursing and nudity. Script writers used to be clever and were able to capture large audiences without that stuff. I believe that is still possible, too. I understand why CoD has gore and its language...I understand what GTA has its...well everything That stuff is (for the most part...) based off of reality. Foxes flying around in space shooting giant monkeys is not real. Its an escape from reality. A fun fantasy world where you don't have to worry about the complexities of life. If you want to put in a couple curse words...fine, whatever. I think there is a pretty good consensus on what would be tolerable and what would cross the line. A little blood in the cut scenes...sure! Krystal was a good addition to the franchise and I think her relationship with fox should be developed more. The two should get married and have kids (think the Marcus McCloud route of Command.) BUT, it is possible to develop a relationship, a marriage, and a family without including nudity or the likes. Keep it an escape from reality. I really, really hope they continue this franchise (I admit I have my doubts...) but that they keep things user friendly for everyone. I want nothing more than for my kids in 5-10 years to be able to get as excited about new versions of Starfox as I was when I encountered Starfox64. Totally agree with ya on like every point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Yes! Even though I absolutely love Star Fox, it's just so childish sometimes. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 how dare a children's game be childish didn't my chemical romance teach you that everything has to be dark as fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwing_93 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I think it's good for all stories to have dark periods and serious situations, this is what motivates the characters xnd carries the plot. Whilst approached in a manner that's suitable for a younger audience, you can't deny the underlying themes of Star Fox are pretty dark: all out war, cities bring destroyed, the death of loved ones, the difference is that it's approached in a way that the game is family friendly. In my eyes, in future games it could help for them to focus on the negative side of the situation beyond "this is horrible" and actually show that the events of the Game are significant to the characters motives. However, in recent years so many things have tried to be GRIMDARK! In this case I'm talking about stuff that tries to be grown up by being all moody and angsty with characters that are about as much fun as a bath of acid. Adding a bit of darkness to highlight the severity of the situation wouldn't go amiss, Its fine to add empathy and works as a plot device, but full out grimdark angst is not really the right tone for a Star Fox game, it would just eliminate any charm whatsoever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I'd like to see StarFox go in the direction of Pixar, mildly more deep and dark, but just as enjoyable for younger audiences as well. What Pixar's done with movies such as Wall-E and Up would fit very well with SF IMO. Keep the audience range wide while making it more enjoyable for older audiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Geez, what's with all these old topics being resurrected lol. Anyways, not sure if I said this before but yes. It wouldn't surprise me if the average Star Fox fan was considerably older now than when Adventures came out so as a result make future games more appealing to an older audience but still "family friendly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Geez, what's with all these old topics being resurrected lol. Anyways, not sure if I said this before but yes. It wouldn't surprise me if the average Star Fox fan was considerably older now than when Adventures came out so as a result make future games more appealing to an older audience but still "family friendly". this is your topic, and your responsible for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Star Fox needs to worry about getting new fans more than constantly appeasing old ones. Compare/contrast the methods taken by the new Star Trek film, and the latest X-Files film. One was acclaimed and the other tanked, and it was entirely because of relying too much on the standards of old fans and an attempt at being more "philosophical" or "serious" than what the audience originally fell in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Too bad they can't kinda split it into two different genres. One still "childish" to keep the young one's exposure and the other one following its first grown-up audience. A good analogy there would be the Doctor Who universe, featuring The Sahra Jane Adventures for the kids and Torchwood (which is an anagram of Doctor Who!) that is more adult than the main storyline. In term of storyline "canonics", that might get tricky but on SFC basis, you could imagine a Kid Star Fox with Marcus and pals and the actual Star Fox, in separated storylines/games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Yeah no "Marcus Star Fox" is a lazy and obnoxious rehash of the same two stories we've already seen with James and Fox and has no reason to exist being that there's so much unexplored in Fox's universe. It's a story about cartoon animals in spaceships, it is not destined to be some grimdark tryst into the psychology of mankind and the gods beyond. It's a space shooter about animals. The ONLY route it could and should take is the route that's already been taken, no more than a T rating, a balance of seriousness, fun, and overall adventure. Remember Raiders of the Lost Ark? That wasn't exactly grimdark, and yet, has a lasting impression and is probably still watchable to the grand majority of you. Sure, there were melting Nazis, but Fox stabs a dinosaur through the brain in Adventures so they're getting there in terms of violence. You have nothing to prove by snubbing that which doesn't involve heavy amounts of violence and sexuality, other than the fact that you're trying desperately to prove your maturity to a world that couldn't care less. Think about the story, think about the tone, and give no shit about whether or not your big tough bros will think your video game about animals in spaceships is "dark" enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokoaMinto Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Come to think of it, personally I never saw Star Fox as a Franchise for too young audience. All those shooting down people in spaceships just to save the whole universe that should get punished/destroyed by an insane scientist makes it some kind of hard. Of course it's only a game but still, thinking about something like that could happen in our future someday.... I bet people wouldn't laugh about it. Comparing to the Japanese version of the games, I never get away of the feeling that most of the dialogs where edited to sound more child-friendly. I remembered that I've played Star Fox64 Lylat Wars on Japanese 2 or 3 years ago and found someone last year on Youtube who edited the translations of the dialogs of the Japanese version into his videos, and the Boss of Sector Y said to Fox and his Team "Sons of bitches". Well if this isn't an insult, I don't know what it is. Sadly he only played till Sector Y and stopped it then, it would be interesting to see more drastically changed dialogs. But yeah, I think it would fit Star Fox a bit more being more mature, with swearing, a bit of blood if you shoot people down while you're on foot... but the rest (rail shooter parts) can remain in the way they are. I mean come on, Wolf isn't a soft character as we know and especially he could swear the most, like Falco would do (with that temper both have...). I like the Franchise in the way it is, but I think it would be nice to see it running into a more mature direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Comparing to the Japanese version of the games, I never get away of the feeling that most of the dialogs where edited to sound more child-friendly. I remembered that I've played Star Fox64 Lylat Wars on Japanese 2 or 3 years ago and found someone last year on Youtube who edited the translations of the dialogs of the Japanese version into his videos, and the Boss of Sector Y said to Fox and his Team "Sons of bitches". Well if this isn't an insult, I don't know what it is. Sadly he only played till Sector Y and stopped it then, it would be interesting to see more drastically changed dialogs. thats an asome find, but you know that both bill grey and genral pepper are sons of bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkstarfox Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Star Fox needs to worry about getting new fans more than constantly appeasing old ones. I watched a interview recently. The guy who plays the new Green Lantern was asked a question and his response was something along the lines of this. "If you appeal to the core fan base, you will appeal to a wider audience. After all there had to be something to attract those hard core fans to begin with." I kinda agree with this. I think that is kinda why Star Fox has gone down the tubes, because the core fan base isnt being addressed, that and the multiple companies sticking their dicks in the series. Rare, Namco, blah blah blah... Stick with one company, let them have their way with the story and hire some good writers with a knack for plot lines! Should starfox be more mature? Yes! Just like Dr. Seus' books are more mature then we first observed as children. There are things for both children and adults, jokes for kids and adults. kids won't get the adult jokes, the surface jokes, but the adults will get the whole spectrum. Does there need to be nudity? NO! Does there need to be profanity? NO! Profanity is the mark of an uneducated man. Does it need to be darker? Not necessarily. Assault was dark! I mean you have to kill General Pepper, for a while there we thought peppy sacrificed himself for the team... Urg... And it doesn't need to be an FPS. FPS ruin characters and personalities in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I agree with you except for the last line. FPS such as Battlefield Bad Company (1 and 2) showed that you could have some juicy and interesting character interaction (I won't say development, 'cause well... that'd be overdoing it! ) in a FPS. FPS and space opera games have about the same degree of character relations. You are on the same battlefield, you talk, share your impressions, they help you or you have to go to save them... It's quite similar in the end! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asriel Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think it should stick to how it was in SF64. The overall graphic design and gameplay plays a big part in the perception of the game. This is the reason why when in the first level on Assault, when I felt like I was spiting needles in Andrew's Lego assemblages, or when I was gently hitting bright colored dinosaurs with my branch, rather than busting heavy scraps of metal in Area 6, I felt betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Matrix Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I honestly wouldn't mind seeing starfox have more mature material and etc. However in my opinion. One of many things I want in Starfox, is awesome action cinematics that last at least more then 30 seconds. I also honestly want to SEE Someone die, and stay dead. I swear I think nintendo doesn't want to kill people. Pigma was supposed to die in Assault, nintendo makes some bullshit excuse saying Pigma becomes a robot, after being blown to smitherines. Peppy crashes a ship and explodes, "I GOT IN A ESCAPE POD AT THE LAST SECOND WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE I WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK IN THE COCKPIT. " Andrew got shot out of the sky in Assault, he still wasn't dead which was bullshit. Andross was supposed to die in 64, they give me some bullshit excuse saying Andross was on Sauria getting power and shit. Honestly, if your going to try and make a death scene, make whoever is going to die, stay dead??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Even James was like not dead in SF64... Oddly, the level boss look like they actually die though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roku Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 How about we fix the fuckin gameplay first, neh? The only form of "darker" I would accept is in the vein of Majora's Mask/Twilight Princes or the Metroid Prime trilogy. Grimdark Starfox can otherwise go die in a fire. I agree with this. Gameplay comes first. There's dark that sets the mood, an then there's this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvIM19o2aCk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Is "damn" such a curse word to you? O_o' (That might be a good thing to know for non natively english-speakers! XD ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roku Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Yes, It's a (minor) swear word. Characters in Sonic the Hegehog shouldn't be swearing just for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Orange Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The more Mature games seem to be more "Better Sellers." So if SF did become "More Mature" I Believe it would be more popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asriel Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The more Mature games seem to be more "Better Sellers." Well, Mario is a uber ultra-seller, and it is not mature for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roku Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 So is Pokemon. It does have some dark elements though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The extent of "darkness" in Starfox that should be PERMITTED is "saturday morning" levels. Fox can feel bad about his dad, Pigma can ponder the worth of a traitor, and Andross can be a sympathetic psychopath who wants to shoot the moon. Things like blood, swearing, excessive detailed violence, sex, FOX IM PREGNANT AND PANTHER/SLIPPY/ALIEN RAPE MONSTERS IS THE FATHER, and philosophy that would fly over most 16 year olds heads, should be left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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