Star Fox 360

[Leon]

I want it on 360 cuz:

A. It's my fave console of this generation

B. 360 DOES have better graphics. Imagine the fur effects of Adventures only in HD. SEXY.

C. I just want a new SF game that features Krystal TBH

Besides, getting fresh minds on SF could help the series expand!

Star Fox on the X-Box? Allow me to give you a simple explanation of the situation.

Star Fox is an Intellectual Property owned wholly by Nintendo like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Rare, Namco, and Q-Games have absolutely no stake in the rights to the IP; all the characters, stories, planets, and vehicles are owned by Nintendo.

Now, as I'm sure you're aware, the X Box brand is owned by Microsoft. Microsoft is in direct competition with Nintendo in the console space.

Nintendo is a company that likes to keep a tight grip on their IP's. No IP owned by Nintendo has or will be released on a competitors platform while Nintendo still manufactures hardware. So until further notice, Star Fox games will be released exclusively on the Wii and the 3DS.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

...It's just a what-if really.

Nintendo is just gonna sit on the license, so why not dream?

[DZComposer]

First of all, I LOVED Adventures! It improved the series in that now Star Fox can be more than just a rail-shooter and it added to the mythos.

Change does not mean Improvement. I also don't think it effected the options used by later games. I think something like what happened with ground missions on SFAs likely would have happened without SFAd. SF64 had experimented with that in it's multiplayer.

And Sauria works because no one really knows what's out there in space. Personally, I thought it made for an AWESOME locale! I mean, you get lush jungles and varied locales to explore. And the dinos were cool in how they were varied and unique. Besides, a dinosur planet et al is awesome!

Anything may be possible, but that doesn't make it less ridiculous. The idea of a planet full of dinosaurs can make for a great game in a new franchise. Rare had one in development called "Dinosaur Planet." Then someone at Nintendo decided to muck with it. But loading that into a franchise that did not go to that level was ridiculous.

Also, it's not a spin-off so much as a connector to the original trilogy from Adventures/Assault that expands the story.

Another thing, is that really, I don't see how it would destroy the credibility of the series. It would add more on to the series.

It takes a supporting character and turns her into a major character in a game focused on her. That's called a spin-off. Especially since your concept has nothing to do with the series as it stands. This is not good for the series because it utterly destroys the identity that Star Fox has developed as a space shooter. SFAd came really close to doing that, but it at least made a half-assed effort to tie the gameplay to previous games. Your idea does not.

It may add to the story, but it wouldn't add to the gameplay narrative.

And Fox already has a backstory in that his dad was an ace pilot, got backstabbed and deaded, and now Fox is an ace pilot who gets revenge. I dun see what can be added on to that sparse model that expands the story. But hey, that's what sequels and prequels are for!

Besides, honestly, Krystal has SO much more potential for backstory and expansion: Telepathic, planet destroyed, shadowy past, Kursed, and most importantly, no backstory explained or (sadly) much character et al.

Expanding the story of just Krystal adds an incongruency to the story. What about Peppy's back-story? The Itoh comic flirted with him having telepathy. Or Leon's? WE know less about him than we know about Krystal.

Fleshing-out just one character's story does not improve the canon, but rather adds a bunch of stuff that is irrelevant to the main storyline. What happened to Cerinia is not relevant to what happened in Lylat.

Think about it, following the original 2, we could get like regular game releases that are new and add more to the mythos.

Quality > Quantity. I'd rather have one balanced-story space shooter Star Fox game than two adventure games with only superficial connections (beyond just story) to the rest of the series.

I guess it would just be more focused on Krystal than previously, but that's a pretty good thing; especially with how Krystal is one of THE most popular characters and has the most poteantial of ANY of the characters for an epic backstory.

Character popularity should not determine the direction of the series. Like it or not, Krystal's popularity stems from an attractive female body being in skimpy and/or tight clothing. That is not a metric to base the direction of the series on. It leads to story fragmentation.

It makes sense from a story AND financial viewpoint!

Take it from someone who is studying business: Don't mess with brand identity. The Star Fox brand is associated with space shooters. SFAd broke that identity, and it turned-off people from the series, and it hasn't recovered yet.

Just because something superficially sounds good doesn't mean it will work. Google "New Coke" for the most studied example of this.

Also, there is one thing I want answered:

Why do people keep bringing up this idea of Star Fox on Xbox? Do you not think Nintendo knows how to make good games? I don't get it. Part of what gives Star Fox its identity is that it is a Nintendo franchise.

[ZM Anonymous]

Why do people keep bringing up this idea of Star Fox on Xbox? Do you not think Nintendo knows how to make good games? I don't get it. Part of what gives Star Fox its identity is that it is a Nintendo franchise.

IDK. Probably because of Conker. But that was made by Rare so it's just stupid. But yeah I like your idea of a Star Wolf game DZ. And plus, who thinks that the Wii doesn't have good graphics. I've seen some games out now and they actually look amazing in Standard Def.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

It takes a supporting character and turns her into a major character in a game focused on her. That's called a spin-off. Especially since your concept has nothing to do with the series as it stands. This is not good for the series because it utterly destroys the identity that Star Fox has developed as a space shooter. SFAd came really close to doing that, but it at least made a half-assed effort to tie the gameplay to previous games. Your idea does not.

It may add to the story, but it wouldn't add to the gameplay narrative.

There, right there. Adventures showed that SF doesn't HAVE to be a space-shooter alone.

And how does my concept have nothing to do with the series as it stands?

It starts off focused on Krystal, yes, but then about 1/2 half way through the 1st game Fox and Co. get invovlved.

The sequel/prequel/IDKWhattocallthiskindofstorynarrative is ALL Team Fox.

Expanding the story of just Krystal adds an incongruency to the story. What about Peppy's back-story? The Itoh comic flirted with him having telepathy. Or Leon's? WE know less about him than we know about Krystal.

Fleshing-out just one character's story does not improve the canon, but rather adds a bunch of stuff that is irrelevant to the main storyline. What happened to Cerinia is not relevant to what happened in Lylat.

K, I'm just gonna be honest and admit I don't know jack about the Itoh Manga. Suffice to say, that was never released outside of Japan, right?

And I don't see how this doesn't improve the canon, as Krystal, and thus the Tragedy of Cerinia, is one of the key pieces of the series at this point. A lot of the last 3 games were about Krystal and Fox and their relationship (esp. SFC).

Quality > Quantity. I'd rather have one balanced-story space shooter Star Fox game than two adventure games with only superficial connections (beyond just story) to the rest of the series.

Cept, this DOES connect directly to the story. It's Adventures redone and majorly expanded on. And I am saying that we could get continued quality games, instead of a remake and a DS game that did NOT go over well.

Character popularity should not determine the direction of the series. Like it or not, Krystal's popularity stems from an attractive female body being in skimpy and/or tight clothing. That is not a metric to base the direction of the series on. It leads to story fragmentation.

True, and sadly true. And yet, character popularity will have a large effect on the people in charge. They want to sell the most games and make a profit. Am I saying this is the right way to do things? No, not really. Just the way things are sadly.

Take it from someone who is studying business: Don't mess with brand identity. The Star Fox brand is associated with space shooters. SFAd broke that identity, and it turned-off people from the series, and it hasn't recovered yet.

True, it fragmented the fanbase somewhat, but it added A LOT of new fans.

Just because something superficially sounds good doesn't mean it will work. Google "New Coke" for the most studied example of this.

That was a joke

Also, there is one thing I want answered:

Why do people keep bringing up this idea of Star Fox on Xbox? Do you not think Nintendo knows how to make good games? I don't get it. Part of what gives Star Fox its identity is that it is a Nintendo franchise.

Well, I bring it up because:

A. I like Xbox best

B. Xbox has far superior graphics (as brought up in a previous post )

C. Nintendo has, in seemingly everyone here's opinion from what I can gather, dropped the ball on SF. Command was trash, and instead of a new game to rectify this they just put out a remake

D. I think people bring it up because Xbox is a standard console, unlike the Wii, and has a good track record with like space-shooters.

But, I am not looking to cause fights.

This is really fun to debate you DZ!

You have your beliefs and ideas backed up by facts, and I got mine!

Tally ho!

[Fire Yoshi]

D. I think people bring it up because Xbox is a standard console, unlike the Wii, and has a good track record with like space-shooters.

Define "standard."

[ZM Anonymous]

There, right there. Adventures showed that SF doesn't HAVE to be a space-shooter alone.

And how does my concept have nothing to do with the series as it stands?

It starts off focused on Krystal, yes, but then about 1/2 half way through the 1st game Fox and Co. get invovlved.

The sequel/prequel/IDKWhattocallthiskindofstorynarrative is ALL Team Fox.

Sure it added some elements of other genres to the series, but you gotta bear in mind the sole reason the series became popular in the first place.

And the concept has nothing to do with the series because it is laid out as a whole different canon upon itself. If you take out the element that Fox appears, you could just have an entirely different series on your hands.

K, I'm just gonna be honest and admit I don't know jack about the Itoh Manga. Suffice to say, that was never released outside of Japan, right?

Actually, It was released as a series of strips spanning through issues 45-55 of Nintendo Power in 1993.

And I don't see how this doesn't improve the canon, as Krystal, and thus the Tragedy of Cerinia, is one of the key pieces of the series at this point. A lot of the last 3 games were about Krystal and Fox and their relationship (esp. SFC).

It doesn't improve the canon because you're just focusing on Krystal, not the characters around her. And SFAd and SFAs games weren't about their relationship, though that archetype was prioritized too greatly for its own good.

That was a joke

probably not

I think people bring it up because Xbox is a standard console, unlike the Wii, and has a good track record with like space-shooters.

Define "standard."

And please tell us who these "people" are because you and Brittsta seem to be the only ones on this non-Nintendo Starfox boat

Nintendo has, in seemingly everyone here's opinion from what I can gather, dropped the ball on SF. Command was trash, and instead of a new game to rectify this they just put out a remake

After Command, some could say they have dropped, But I actually like how they are willing to have a remake of 64, because it shows that they realized that they are making mistakes and will look back to see what made the series great in the first place and build upon that to give the fans what they've been really wanting since the days of 64: A successful follow up. I could only just hope that they haven't forgotten about the fans that built this franchise up to be what it is in the days of the N64.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Define "standard."

Er, Standard as in like not motion-controlled gaming

Like, it uses a controller and stuff, you know?

Yeah, I should've been more in-depth with what I said; sorry bout that!

[ZM Anonymous]

Er, Standard as in like not motion-controlled gaming

Like, it uses a controller and stuff, you know?

Yeah, I should've been more in-depth with what I said; sorry bout that!

So the Wii doesn't have a controller? <_<

[Demonking44]

So the Wii doesn't have a controller?

Depends on the type of controller. :cool:

[Milkyway64]

I came in here to rage and then saw DZ covered it. So I'll just breifly recap.

StarFox on 360 is dumb. Starfox focusing on Krystal is dumb. Starfox on 360 focusing on Krystal is really dumb.

[Nope.]

StarFox on 360 is dumb. Starfox focusing on Krystal is dumb. Starfox on 360 focusing on Krystal is really dumb.

It's good to have you back, sir.

[Thu'um]

It's good to have you back, sir.

i like krystal, alot, but i like the other charcters too, instead of just a game focusing on fox and krystal stuff, (COMMAND! sorta) we need a wholesome game with good develop ment every where. thats what my docter told me. but switching consuels in really stupid

[ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987]

You want my thoughts on such an idea? Here they are! :P

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

I came in here to rage and then saw DZ covered it. So I'll just breifly recap.

StarFox on 360 is dumb. Starfox focusing on Krystal is dumb. Starfox on 360 focusing on Krystal is really dumb.

1. No, it brings it to the (IMO)best console, and there's no reason that it's dumb

2. Wrong, it expands on (IMO) the best character, and just adds more to the mythos

3. Nope, just someone who hates Krystal and Xbox getting defensive

And I get it; you're afraid that porting StarFox to 360 will produce a game that outshines Nintendo's recent efforts. It's all good, we all worry about things at times. I'm not saying that my ideas are best, just that I have them.

I am not here to cause frictions. I simply wish to discuss Star Fox and 360 and the possiblities.

And ya know what? It's been FUN defending my points with DZ because we both have our views and beliefs and can back 'em up with facts.

I've enjoyed discussing with the others who say Star Fox shouldn't move. These people are at least willing to discuss other options, and I enjoy hearing their views, to the point of agreeing on a lot of what they have to say. Or, at the very least, we can all have a little fun.

To AJC: You bring up some well-thought out points. Frankly, the whole series needs some expansion. That's why I was propsing a prequel.

To ArwingCommander: Whoa, you must've lost a pretty bad game of CoD to destroy your Xbox that hard!

[ZM Anonymous]

1. No, it brings it to the (IMO)best console, and there's no reason that it's dumb

2. Wrong, it expands on (IMO) the best character, and just adds more to the mythos

3. Nope, just someone who hates Krystal and Xbox getting defensive

Incredibly, defensively biased, are ya?

And I get it; you're afraid that porting StarFox to 360 will produce a game that outshines Nintendo's recent efforts.

Afraid? What are you talking about. We know for a fact that an Xbox port of Starfox will never happen and we know that with the release of SF64 3D, Nintendo still cares somewhat about this franchise. So to call us "afraid," we know now that you're not willing to debate this subject. Instead you wanna shove this idea down our throats.

[Sylum]

I'm going to agree with milky. Firsto of all, i'll establish that i am a krystal fan. Not a die hard thogh. Any game the focuses on her is going to cause one hell of a backlash. Ie: nintendo only made to up sales to 15 year old hormonal ragining childten.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

I'm going to agree with milky. Firsto of all, i'll establish that i am a krystal fan. Not a die hard thogh. Any game the focuses on her is going to cause one hell of a backlash. Ie: nintendo only made to up sales to 15 year old hormonal ragining childten.

I like that you open with being a Krystal fan X3

And I can see that there would be a backlash, mainly the fans from the older days and stuff. (No offense to anyone! )

And maybe sales wouldn't be as high to start, but ya know, word of mouth and all.

But, I have to disagree on the point that it would only appeal to hormonal 15-year olds. I feel that while, yes, that would be one legion (For They are One ) of fans of the game, I think that the gripping narrative with slightly more mature, darker themes would get older fans to enjoy it too. In addition, the more varied gameplay would get people to look into it. In the end, I feel that as long as a game is fun, there will be plenty of different groups of people who enjoy it (er, except GTA, I dun think soccer moms like that one... )

But then, maybe I am wrong!

The only way to find out is to try! Microsoft HQ, here I come!

...BTW, can I borrow a couple grand for development and series purcasing costs? You can use it as a write-off on your taxes!

[Sylum]

I didnt mean it would only appeal to them. What i meant was, it would seem like the would be doing to market to that group from the publics eye.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Ah, yet again you show great logic.

And I got nothin X3

I suppose it would need a smart advertising plan to avoid that

[Sluggsnipa]

Zorro,you are getting TORN UP! Like,Internet PWNAGE!

Yep,I suggest you shouldn't have said what you said. This thread is dying with rehashed comments,no one here wants Star Fox for the 360.

Acually,I'm gonna get ton of shit for this but...

I agree with her. Nintendo is letting the series down,Command sucked and SF 64 3DS is a remake to test the 3DS's capabilities.

You guys are saying how much this game proposed by Zorro is going to screw with the canon and why the Legal issues will keep this

game from happening. I am fully aware of the legal issues but this is a "what if" thread more than debunking her idea altogether.

And you guys are complaining that Krystal doesn't have enough backstory,THIS GAME IS HER BACKSTORY.

Jeebus,COME AND GET ME,FRESH MEAT,RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!!

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Zorro,you are getting TORN UP! Like,Internet PWNAGE!

Yep,I suggest you shouldn't have said what you said. This thread is dying with rehashed comments,no one here wants Star Fox for the 360.

Acually,I'm gonna get ton of shit for this but...

I agree with her. Nintendo is letting the series down,Command sucked and SF 64 3DS is a remake to test the 3DS's capabilities.

You guys are saying how much this game proposed by Zorro is going to screw with the canon and why the Legal issues will keep this

game from happening. I am fully aware of the legal issues but this is a "what if" thread more than debunking her idea altogether.

And you guys are complaining that Krystal doesn't have enough backstory,THIS GAME IS HER BACKSTORY.

Jeebus,COME AND GET ME,FRESH MEAT,RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!!

THANK YOU SLUG!!

You get what I'm saying!

...But yeah, Imma probably ask for a lock by tomorrow night

EDIT: And if anyone has beef with the Slug-Man, you gotta go through ME!

[Sluggsnipa]

THANK YOU SLUG!!

Yep. Same here!

LOL.

[Milkyway64]

I'm bored, so I'm gonna reply.

1. No, it brings it to the (IMO)best console, and there's no reason that it's dumb2. Wrong, it expands on (IMO) the best character, and just adds more to the mythos3. Nope, just someone who hates Krystal and Xbox getting defensiveAnd I get it; you're afraid that porting StarFox to 360 will produce a game that outshines Nintendo's recent efforts. It's all good, we all worry about things at times. I'm not saying that my ideas are best, just that I have them. I am not here to cause frictions. I simply wish to discuss Star Fox and 360 and the possiblities.And ya know what? It's been FUN defending my points with DZ because we both have our views and beliefs and can back 'em up with facts.I've enjoyed discussing with the others who say Star Fox shouldn't move. These people are at least willing to discuss other options, and I enjoy hearing their views, to the point of agreeing on a lot of what they have to say. Or, at the very least, we can all have a little fun. To AJC: You bring up some well-thought out points. Frankly, the whole series needs some expansion. That's why I was propsing a prequel.To ArwingCommander: Whoa, you must've lost a pretty bad game of CoD to destroy your Xbox that hard!

1. In your opinion. Regardless, Nintendo first party title... Microsoft console. That can't and won't happen unless Nintendo sold the rights.

2. No, Krystal isn't even close. She HAS no character, just sex appeal that regularly creates teenage furries. Krystal's mythos is out of place in the SF canon because she was SUPPOSED to be in another universe altogether, so Krystal's inclusion to a certain degree did jack up the story and mythos. "Quick, what do we need in a futuristic space shooter with war and SCIENCE? How about magical powers that is never ever explained belonging to the most blatant fanservice sue character we at Nintendo has ever made! Brilliant!!!"

3. and what I see is a fanboy with no idea how business works. and desperately attempting to keep his idea on the map. You want to discuss possibilities, but 360 StarFox is not even plausible. And how oh how could Nintendo outshine themselves if it's just a console move? Unless you're insinuating that Microsoft should buy the rights completely, thus removing Nintendo's direction, and let another developer work on the game (Hey, that's what Nintendo has been doing! Imagine that) which would screw the mythos up even further because now we have people with no idea what they're doing work on the broken story that is Adventures. Congratulations, you've actually created the best recipe for failure I've ever seen in the gaming industry. Tingle's Bright Rose Red Ruppee Land was a better move than this.

I like that you open with being a Krystal fan X3And I can see that there would be a backlash, mainly the fans from the older days and stuff. (No offense to anyone! )And maybe sales wouldn't be as high to start, but ya know, word of mouth and all. But, I have to disagree on the point that it would only appeal to hormonal 15-year olds. I feel that while, yes, that would be one legion (For They are One ) of fans of the game, I think that the gripping narrative with slightly more mature, darker themes would get older fans to enjoy it too. In addition, the more varied gameplay would get people to look into it. In the end, I feel that as long as a game is fun, there will be plenty of different groups of people who enjoy it (er, except GTA, I dun think soccer moms like that one... ) But then, maybe I am wrong! The only way to find out is to try! Microsoft HQ, here I come! ...BTW, can I borrow a couple grand for development and series purcasing costs? You can use it as a write-off on your taxes!

Oh sure, let's add a more mature feel to this one too. You know, this sounds less like a game and more like krystal fanwank. This is pretty much throwing all the stereotypes of aforementioned 15 year old horndogs into a big pot and coming up with the ultimate in bad examples for Star Fox to go in. Face it, this game ONLY APPEALS to Krystal fans. No one BUT horny furries like her as she HAS NO SUBSTANCE. She's a leftover from a long forgotten standalone project that contributes little more than an excuse to have an anthro in a bikini running around.

Zorro,you are getting TORN UP! Like,Internet PWNAGE!Yep,I suggest you shouldn't have said what you said. This thread is dying with rehashed comments,no one here wants Star Fox for the 360.Acually,I'm gonna get ton of shit for this but...I agree with her. Nintendo is letting the series down,Command sucked and SF 64 3DS is a remake to test the 3DS's capabilities.You guys are saying how much this game proposed by Zorro is going to screw with the canon and why the Legal issues will keep thisgame from happening. I am fully aware of the legal issues but this is a "what if" thread more than debunking her idea altogether.And you guys are complaining that Krystal doesn't have enough backstory,THIS GAME IS HER BACKSTORY.Jeebus,COME AND GET ME,FRESH MEAT,RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!!

Nintendo is remaking SF64 on 3DS because herp they realize that's their best and it's what people want. Letting it down my ass. And yes, it will screw with the canon and not to mention the entire serie's core, so it's not the correct way to fix Krystal. She needs work, but the right kind. Furry fanspunk is NOT the right kind.

Oh and BACK story. As in, story in the background, not thrown at our face in a game existing just for it.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

They're remaking SF64 because people will buy it and then they'll be off the hook for any new games

People don't want REMAKES, they wany quality new games.

And, no, I DON'T include my ideas as an aforementioned quality new game. Because it can't happen.

So, really, this is NOT the place to sling your usual negative crap around.

Frankly, how the Hell haven't Nintendo let the Star Fox franchise down? Command sucked and now they are releasing a remake of an old game as a test demo.

Not exactly what I would call full support of the brand.

Besides, I KNOW my ideas can't happen!

It's a WHAT-IF!

Not that you really get that.

This is FOR FUN.

IGNORING the legal constraints, I have imagined what it'd be like if MS bought the Star Fox series and put out a quality game!

Slug gets it. This is a hypothetical, for fun, what if. We are pretending here, putting forth ideas and discussing possibilities.

Screw IRL, this is a topic meant to have fun and dream.

And frankly, I get sick of you taking shots.

You have NO RIGHT to call my ideals a recipie for failure.