Concerning Furries

[Deploy]

Herp Derp...

Wow,I fit in these categories .

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[Sylum]

Oh hi. I thought this was the counter-point where intelligent discussion happens. Not bullshit rec room troll face crap. Seriously guys. Last warning. STAY ON TOPIC.

And slug....just shut up. Seriously, cool off. You don't have constructive discussion to say, stay out of the counter point. You're on my last nerve.

[Milkyway64]

You want serious discussion? Alright, let's do that.

This topic is utterly irrelevant and kicking a dead horse. As I mentioned, there is no concrete definition for furry because even furries don't know what the hell they are. Furry A says "Oh, we're cartoon appreciators." Furry B says "Nooo, we like the anthropomorphs IN the cartoon, and tribute them by drawing them!" Furry C comes in and says "Draw yiff of them at that, a furry is someone who is attracted to anthros." Furry B rushes back in a panic and is all "NOOOOOO WE ARE NOT SICK LALALA DON'T SAY THAT EVER AGAIN" and Furry D is like "What's the problem? A sophisticated skunk like myself has no idea what you humans are prattling about. God I hate humans."

You know what that is? That's a mess of conflicting opinions belonging to people in the same happy ol' family. The closest thing we have to a cohesive unit is that we have a bunch of people scattered around the internet with anthro avatars that can't stop bitching at each other. Oh, and there's also the part that all of them go to FA, DA, e621, Fchan, and all the others for good "private" time no matter what they try to tell you. So what does this mean? This thread is -pointless.-

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Personally, I like the fact that there is so very much diveristy in the Fandom.

It makes for a more robust... thing. (I'm not good with words alot of the time )

Like, it allows more varied views and opinions on things.

And it makes for a more interesting culture!

[Milkyway64]

Personally, I like the fact that there is so very much diveristy in the Fandom.

It makes for a more robust... thing. (I'm not good with words alot of the time )

Like, it allows more varied views and opinions on things.

And it makes for a more interesting culture!

Only it doesn't. My point was is there is no culture or diversity on a level where it still remains such. No one can agree on just what the hell a furry is, and your "culture" is someone else's "Ignore that guy. He's not a true furry/a freak."

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

The fact that there are so many ways of looking at it makes Furry just that much more unique.

And there is DEFEINILTY a culture there, or there couldn't be cons.

Culture: the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.

Source=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture

[Milkyway64]

The fact that there are so many ways of looking at it makes Furry just that much more unique.

No, it makes it a mess of internal bickering and fighting.

And there is DEFEINILTY a culture there, or there couldn't be cons.

I know what a culture is, and there is none here. At least not a universal one. Some say that for something to be a furry, anthros have to be involved. Others say that more has to be there for it to move from "fantasy/cartoon" to "furry." There is frankly no agreed on limit, so no culture.

I of course just think it's a fetish. Let's be honest with ourselves now, exactly what do furries do that earn them the hate of the internet and empties their wallets at conventions? Yeah. Not pretty, is it?

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Actually, Furry fits the description of Culture to a T.

Behaviors and Beliefs that are characteristic of the social group.

Sure, some people do different things, but that is what makes it all so great.

Reynard and myself can enjoy making and viewing anthro art, and User can enjoy going to cons, and in the end we all have something in common. :friends:

[Milkyway64]

Actually, Furry fits the description of Culture to a T.

Behaviors and Beliefs that are characteristic of the social group.

Sure, some people do different things, but that is what makes it all so great.

Reynard and myself can enjoy making and viewing anthro art, and User can enjoy going to cons, and in the end we all have something in common.

I'm not even going to repeat myself. You know what, maybe I will. Maybe this time it'll get through.

There is. No. Concrete definition and thus no culture. A lot of furries would shun cons and User for going to them, for example. Is that any clearer?

[Vulvokunvrii]

I'm not even going to repeat myself. You know what, maybe I will. Maybe this time it'll get through.

There is. No. Concrete definition and thus no culture. A lot of furries would shun cons and User for going to them, for example. Is that any clearer?

Question: why are you even doing this? what drives you?

As a man once said: "A machine requires a man to control it."

I mean why comment about all the bad stuff of almost everything? Im curious to why you continuously do this. Im struggling to fathom why you comment and post the way you do.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Ah, but there does not need to be a fully concrete definition if all the parts exist.

For you see, Furries have a set of beliefs and varying sets of behaviors.

That is the basis of a culture.

I have written several papers on the subject of cultures and done cultural studies this semester in my classes.

That is part of the reason that the Furry Fandom is so intriguing to me.

It is a culture unlike anyother!

[Milkyway64]

Question: why are you even doing this? what drives you?

As a man once said: "A machine requires a man to control it."

I mean why comment about all the bad stuff of almost everything? Im curious to why you continuously do this. Im struggling to fathom why you comment and post the way you do.

Because it's here, I come, I see, I post. There's also the whole "debate" thing that makes up the entire point of this sub forum. Why, is there anything wrong about this line of posting or my points? Because I certainly don't see anything countering it.

[Sylum]

Sorry milky. That wasn't aimed at you bro. Just sluggy and the troll facers

[Milkyway64]

Sorry milky. That wasn't aimed at you bro. Just sluggy and the troll facers

S'okay.

Ah, but there does not need to be a fully concrete definition if all the parts exist.

Is that so~?

For you see, Furries have a set of beliefs and varying sets of behaviors. That is the basis of a culture. I have written several papers on the subject of cultures and done cultural studies this semester in my classes. That is part of the reason that the Furry Fandom is so intriguing to me. It is a culture unlike anyother!

Tell me exactly what this set is. Are you confident you can end a decades long debate? Also, I don't care how many papers you've written, I have an entire novel's worth of debating furry things under my belt, so that kind of peters out in the end.

Also spoilers: furry culture is unlike any other because it's NOT A CULTURE, it's a bunch of broken ones from butthurt fandom members not liking the other half of their own kind. There is not a cohesive and coordinated fellowship here, how many times do I have to say it? Go to FA forums or something and find out for yourself if not.

[Guest Mr. Nintendo]

Question: why are you even doing this? what drives you?

As a man once said: "A machine requires a man to control it."

I mean why comment about all the bad stuff of almost everything? Im curious to why you continuously do this. Im struggling to fathom why you comment and post the way you do.

Reynard, Milky isn't commenting bad stuff here, He is just explaining in his own words why furry topics or whatever have no use for this forum and...well, I don't see a problem with that at all. I'm pretty sure that his post isn't hatred, it's just his opinion...everyone is entitled to one and sometimes not eveybody will agree on it.

Just a FYI, whatever topic that is in the Counter Point, Milky will sure come and lurk...and comment on the topic. (OK maybe not ALL the topics here)

As I said to El Zorro before, if things here get out of hand, a staff member would ask Milky or whoever to cut it out or the topic gets locked. Has it happened yet? No. We recieved a warning twice for trolling around which I have to agree with Sylum that it is more Rec-room crap than this.

[Vulvokunvrii]

Because it's here, I come, I see, I post. There's also the whole "debate" thing that makes up the entire point of this sub forum. Why, is there anything wrong about this line of posting or my points? Because I certainly don't see anything countering it.

I'd like to try an counter it, but i dont want to get in deep trouble enough to be banned or something. that's why i dont much of anything on debate topics, except for what i said in the begining.

@ Mr. N:

I see your point, I just dont want to say something and then forget why i said it and have that turned against me. I'll leave this topic up to you guys, but i'll watch and mabye post occasionally. Again, i just dont want to get into trouble or have anyone mad at me.

Edited April 15, 2011 by Reynard

[Sylum]

Hey, as long you arent throwing death hreats around, porn, etc. Say what you like within reason.

[Vulvokunvrii]

Hey, as long you arent throwing death hreats around, porn, etc. Say what you like within reason.

Lol, im not hat kind of person. It takes ALOT to set me off. No worries man *pats the user's back*

[Milkyway64]

I'd like to try an counter it, but i dont want to get in deep trouble enough to be banned or something. that's why i dont much of anything on debate topics, except for what i said in the begining.

By all means, do it anyway. Like Sylum already said, just don't threaten anyone and you're okay. This forum is FOR debate, heated or benign. Just go for it. Zorro needs your help anyway, it seems.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Tell me exactly what this set is. Are you confident you can end a decades long debate? Also, I don't care how many papers you've written, I have an entire novel's worth of debating furry things under my belt, so that kind of peters out in the end.

Well, what we know:

Furries find Anthropomorphic characters to be more agreeable to humans in varying degrees

They, almost all, are animal-lovers (in a non-gross way X3)

Furries have a common kinship with one another based around the fact that they enjoy anthros, this is further proven by the FA forum you show. That is a group of the members of the Furry culture convening and discussing that which is most important and relevant to themselves.

What we have seen:

Many furries quite enjoy going to conventions where they have parades and exchange artworks from within the culture.

Yes, many furries also enjoy adult-artwork. However, the fact that there is an enitre sub-genre for this artwork shows further proof of a culture, as otherwise it would just be lumped in with the normal smut. (heheheh, smut, that's a funny word)

Furries tend to make social groups in their areas where they can be with other members of the culture and discuss that ehich is most important to them, or to simply share pics of the kids

What goes against The cultural view:

The fact that many Furries are rather introverted and do not really associate often with the larger populace of Furries.

And really, a large factor to show they are a culture is the fact that they have culutral artifacts, be they artwork or fursuits.

It truly is an exciting culture to study.

[Vulvokunvrii]

Also to add: Anthropamorphic aniamls have been in many Native AMerican stoires and "literature" for as long as they've been on this planet. They've been in "Trickster" tales (i think everyone know s what a trickster tale is) and other forms of stroy telling. Story telling is part of Human culture. As someone once said, "We are a story telling species."

Hope that helps somehow

*Support on stand-by*

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Oooooh, excellent point Rey!

That shows that the idea of Furry has been around as long as humans, which really does add to the fact that it is a culture.

Humans have always used anthropomorphic animals to tell stories and impart lessons on the young.

As the world has become more connected we have slowly but surely formed a new culture of Furry that connects all within the Fandom on a sort of spiritual level.

I quite like this topic, it's opening my eyes to more of the Furry Culture

[Milkyway64]

Well, what we know:

Furries find Anthropomorphic characters to be more agreeable to humans in varying degrees

They, almost all, are animal-lovers (in a non-gross way X3)

Furries have a common kinship with one another based around the fact that they enjoy anthros, this is further proven by the FA forum you show. That is a group of the members of the Furry culture convening and discussing that which is most important and relevant to themselves.

If by "discuss" you mean "violently enforcing" then sure. Although by the same logic, this means two countries at war have a common kinship because they all have guns and the brain splatter of the other guys all over their uniforms.

What we have seen:

Many furries quite enjoy going to conventions where they have parades and exchange artworks from within the culture.

Yes, many furries also enjoy adult-artwork. However, the fact that there is an enitre sub-genre for this artwork shows further proof of a culture, as otherwise it would just be lumped in with the normal smut. (heheheh, smut, that's a funny word)

Furries tend to make social groups in their areas where they can be with other members of the culture and discuss that ehich is most important to them, or to simply share pics of the kids

True in theory, not so much in practice. Art that sells usually has a sexual connection between it and the buyer. Art that shows up at furcons generally have something to do of a sexual nature. While we're at it, furry art and comments on furry art in general have something of a sexual nature on them even on something as tame as DEVIANT ART. So yeah, we do have "all sorts" but the huge majority points to fetishized appreciation, even among those who dip into more tame pictures as well.

What goes against The cultural view:

The fact that many Furries are rather introverted and do not really associate often with the larger populace of Furries.

And really, a large factor to show they are a culture is the fact that they have culutral artifacts, be they artwork or fursuits.

It truly is an exciting culture to study.

You miiiiight have me here. The best I can say to the contrary is that they are not definite artifacts, as many furries will claim fursuits and that more spicy furry art are demeaning to the fandom and should be removed from the culture. Not such a uniform interest when a chunk of the fandom's own members are petitioning for their own vision, eh?

Also to add: Anthropamorphic aniamls have been in many Native AMerican stoires and "literature" for as long as they've been on this planet. They've been in "Trickster" tales (i think everyone know s what a trickster tale is) and other forms of stroy telling. Story telling is part of Human culture. As someone once said, "We are a story telling species."

Hope that helps somehow

*Support on stand-by*

And? Human culture =/= furry culture. What are you trying to say with this? Native americans are furries just because anthros were seen in their work? Well, no. Sorry. Doesn't work that way, I'm afraid.

That shows that the idea of Furry has been around as long as humans, which really does add to the fact that it is a culture.

Anthros. ANTHROS. And no, it doesn't. All it proves is that it was there in the first place to have people flock around it.

Humans have always used anthropomorphic animals to tell stories and impart lessons on the young.

As the world has become more connected we have slowly but surely formed a new culture of Furry that connects all within the Fandom on a sort of spiritual level.

I quite like this topic, it's opening my eyes to more of the Furry Culture

Does it, now? Because I still see the use of anthros for non-furry purposes. This is like saying I'm part of the knife nut community like Sylum (no offense) because I've used one to cut string. I still stand by the furry culture doesn't exist because the fandom won't let it amongst their fighting and bickering.

[Vulvokunvrii]

eey..at least im trying here....mabye its the time of night...afterall, it is 11:33 pm over here.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Definite or not, they ARE still cultural artifacts.

And I am not quite sure, like, AT ALL, what you are trying to say at the end.

I never said that anthros had to be exclusivley used in the Fandom.

I simply made the observation that via the internet and such the Furry Culture has been able to expand and connect memebers of said culture in spirit, at the very least.

Due to recent advances, we are able to have FurCons, and FurAffinity, not to mention this very site is connecting members of the culture near and far.

For you see, many people became Furry via the Star Fox series of video games. That interest leads them to fansites such as this where they encounter others with similar interests. Here, a connection is made and they learn that they have a similar belief system, ie. Star Fox is cool becasue of anthros and perhaps other anthros are cool as well.

In addition, I simply noted that anthros have been around as long as humans. This, as you stated, lead directly to the Furry Culture.

And to put it more bluntly (Graphic stuff (Kinda) coming up for the easily offended):

A fetish is something people have that gets them off. End of story.

Furry Culture involves people intereacting on non-sexual levels as well. Sure, there ARE sexual natures to it, but that is true of many things in life. The Furry Culture is, well, a culture. People discuss things that pertain to it, they hang out together, and they become friends through it. They share a similar belief that anthros are appealing; no matter how many varied levels there are to that. And finally, there are cultural artifacts from it, ie. Art and Suits and other stuff.

This thread is quite fun; it has me thinking abstractly and discovering more of the Furry Culture than ever!