My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

[Thu'um]

the shows is good, to many people like it for it to be horrible. And you know what they say, great things make them selves known. and the show may not be forevery one, i have freinds who have seen it, but simply had a lack on intrest.

[MarekMcCloud]

If you watched and enjoyed MLP you have lost your mancard.

[Deploy]

If you watched and enjoyed MLP you have lost your mancard.

If you have posted/said above statement, you have gained this as your symbol ---->

Seriously, though. There is no such thing as a "mancard". We find enjoyment in different mediums for more reasons than big explosions and violence. FiM has great characters, animation, music, upon other things. Only real men watch this show. I highly doubt that you have actually watched an episode of the show yourself, so what have you to say?

People also seem to look over the fact that, unlike the original, terrible 80s cartoon, MLP FiM is more than just about candy, rainbows, and pretty things.

But... as they say...

[Xortberg]

If you watched and enjoyed MLP you have lost your mancard.

Obvious troll is obvious. Either learn to post intelligently or leave the Counter Point.

[Sabre]

the shows is good, to many people like it for it to be horrible. And you know what they say, great things make them selves known. and the show may not be forevery one, i have freinds who have seen it, but simply had a lack on intrest.

By that logic the transformers films are masterpieces, and the twilight zone is a turd. Ok, that's an exageration, but having lots of fans does not mean quality. Even if it did, I have mentioned many times how I believe most so called fans just pretend to like it for the meme.

If you have posted/said above statement, you have gained this as your symbol ---->

Seriously, though. There is no such thing as a "mancard". We find enjoyment in different mediums for more reasons than big explosions and violence. FiM has great characters, animation, music, upon other things. Only real men watch this show. I highly doubt that you have actually watched an episode of the show yourself, so what have you to say?

People also seem to look over the fact that, unlike the original, terrible 80s cartoon, MLP FiM is more than just about candy, rainbows, and pretty things.

Only real men watch the show targeted at little girls. ...ok.

You pull up the "Have you ever watched an episode?" argument. I think you will find these people not only haven't seen an episode, but the simple act of watching the show is bad. To them it's like saying "Have you ever eaten poo? I have and it's delisious. It's chunky and smooth, you are really missing out.", so it doesn't matter to them. This kind of reaction is common, but your not into MLP for the meme, so you already know that of course.

[Xortberg]

By that logic the transformers films are masterpieces, and the twilight zone is a turd. Ok, that's an exageration, but having lots of fans does not mean quality. Even if it did, I have mentioned many times how I believe most so called fans just pretend to like it for the meme.

You've brought it up, and there's plenty of evidence which has been used to prove that you're flat wrong. EqD gets a million hits a week, and every hour almost it's updated with new fanfics, fanart, PMVs, fanmade pony merchandise like plushes, papercrafts, sculptures, etc.

To look at the sheer amount of quality fanwork out there and claim most people are in it for the meme is flat stupid, and it's quite clear you're just unwilling to admit you're wrong due to your massive hateboner towards 4chan.

[Sabre]

Not to sound like an indie fanboy, but the words they use will get my point across quite clearly, and that point is that it's impossible to tell. Being able to draw, make papercrafts, or whatever doesn't mean anything. Because alot of people are in it for the meme, the only way to seperate the 'true fans' from the 'sheeple' is if they fans before MLP hit 4chan and 'went mainstream'.

The problem is that talk is cheap. Much like the Jamestown mini meme, or indeed any new popular thing with even a little history, anyone can read a couple of wikipedia paragraphs and thus claim to have always been fans and pull some token facts to back that up. That's worse on the internet because any fact they don't know they can just google.

Because the meme fans are so numberous, the only messure I have are people who like MLP before it became a meme. That's not to say there were no 'true fans' after that, but as said, it's easy to claim that you were always a true fan. That fan pool is a very small one however, and need I repeat the "cartoon for gay little girls" story again?

And what evidence? All you have presented is the quality of the fan art and a "cos I say so" bit.

[Xortberg]

Not to sound like an indie fanboy, but the words they use will get my point across quite clearly, and that point is that it's impossible to tell. Being able to draw, make papercrafts, or whatever doesn't mean anything. Because alot of people are in it for the meme, the only way to seperate the 'true fans' from the 'sheeple' is if they fans before MLP hit 4chan and 'went mainstream'.

Um, no. I'm sorry, but there is no deadline to be a 'true fan.' I was one of the people who called you gay for watching a girls' show when you first mentioned it, IIRC, and only just recently got into it and realized I was an ass back then. I'm most definitely a fan who became such after it hit 4chan, and if you say I'm not a true fan of the show because it took me a bit to get over my prejudice, then you're just lying to yourself to convince yourself that you're right.

The problem is that talk is cheap. Much like the Jamestown mini meme, or indeed any new popular thing with even a little history, anyone can read a couple of wikipedia paragraphs and thus claim to have always been fans and pull some token facts to back that up. That's worse on the internet because any fact they don't know they can just google.

Talk is cheap, and actions speak louder than words. Yes, I understand this fact. This is why I brought up the sheer volumes of quality fanwork that is posted HOURLY on EqD. Sethisto and the other admins have a fucking backlog of things to post that they can't keep up with completely, and that's only counting the stuff of high enough quality to be posted on the blog. That's not just talk, bro.

Because the meme fans are so numberous, the only messure I have are people who like MLP before it became a meme. That's not to say there were no 'true fans' after that, but as said, it's easy to claim that you were always a true fan. That fan pool is a very small one however, and need I repeat the "cartoon for gay little girls" story again?

Again, I understand that in the beginning many people are all "It's for girls, you're gay!" when they first realize that people like MLP. I was one of them. Now, do you honestly expect me to believe that these people who think it's a cartoon for gay little girls are going to suddenly decide to like it just to be cool? Even after you said:

You pull up the "Have you ever watched an episode?" argument. I think you will find these people not only haven't seen an episode, but the simple act of watching the show is bad. To them it's like saying "Have you ever eaten poo? I have and it's delisious. It's chunky and smooth, you are really missing out.", so it doesn't matter to them. This kind of reaction is common, but your not into MLP for the meme, so you already know that of course.

So, these people who think people who like the show are gay suddenly decide to like it to be cool? Yeah, that's a fucking stupid thing to say. By your own words, those kinds of people aren't likely to ever give it a try, so they would be the last people to decide that it was cool to like the show and jump on the bandwagon.

And what evidence? All you have presented is the quality of the fan art and a "cos I say so" bit.

And all you've presented is the fact that you liked it before it was popular and brought up its meme status. Your argument holds less water than mine. See, such an overwhelming abundance of quality fanart doesn't come from memefans and bandwagon jumpers. It comes from people who actually like the show and know the characters well enough to represent them through art, writing, and other such things. High quality fanwork is indicative of a devoted fanbase, not people jumping on the memewagon.

[Sabre]

I said that there is no dead line for true fan, but there is no way to tell them appart if they became one after a certain point.

Also, fanart quality is not a sign of the devotion of a fanbase. Fantasy and Sci Fi get alot of fanart, but not the likes of say 24, Top Gear or the example you posted, CSI.

As for the argument

And all you've presented is the fact that you liked it before it was popular and brought up its meme status. Your argument holds less water than mine.

is utter crap.

First, the fact I liked it before has nothing to do with anything. What does is that it had a small, devoted fanbase that was ridiculed by many of the same people who now claim they love it and act more fanboyish then the biggest fanboys back then.

Second, the evidence of 'sheeple' is all around you, and you are either one of them and in denile or lying. The 'sheeple' only like what they are told to like until a celebrity, or 4chan, or the popular kid, whatever, tells them what to like, and those who don't are mocked for not being hip, cool, with the times, in the know, whatever. It happens all the time. 2 examples. One was when I started wearing combat trousers and people would occational call me action man and the like (from a safe distence) until a celebrity started wearing and those same people were wearing addidas brand camoflage trousers. My brother was a punk, he had a mohawk and would get mocked the same way until Beckham got one, and those are just 2 personal examples. It happens all the time with clothes, shoes, speach, products, behavior ect. There was a famous American guy who started off the craze from wearing jeans that continues to this day. James Dean I think it was, not sure. Point is, before then they were workmans clothes and as fasionable as a high visability jacket or a hard hat. MLP is just like jeans, the mohawk, ect.

[Xortberg]

I said that there is no dead line for true fan, but there is no way to tell them appart if they became one after a certain point.

Fucking bull. 'True fan' is subjective as hell in the first place, and it's quite easy to tell a 'true fan' apart from a bandwagoner. The fact that 4chan made the show popular did nothing at all but give the show some exposure. See, I can't like something I've never heard of, and I'd never heard of - nor would I have - MLP: FiM before it got Internet big. 4chan made it popular, and I heard of it. I became a fan. Simple, no?

GET OVER YOUR 4CHAN HATE. IT IS CLEARLY CLOUDING WHAT LITTLE LOGIC YOU ALREADY POSSESS.

Also, fanart quality is not a sign of the devotion of a fanbase. Fantasy and Sci Fi get alot of fanart, but not the likes of say 24, Top Gear or the example you posted, CSI.

Yes, you ignorant fuck. Quality fanwork is a sign of the devotion of a fanbase. It's not the only sign, mind you, as those examples do exist, but it is a sign. If a fanbase isn't devoted, what little fanwork there is won't be very good, for the most part. It takes devotion to put in the effort to make something good, and there is a FUCKTON of high, high quality pony art and writing and other work. THAT IS A SIGN OF DEVOTION.

Also, good job getting your shit mixed up. You obviously don't even care about the argument anymore, as it was Dras who mentioned those examples, not me. You're just looking for more excuses to stroke your hateboner.

First, the fact I liked it before has nothing to do with anything.

That's it. You've officially stopped thinking. I didn't think it was possible, but your higher brain functions seem to be eating themselves. Allow me to quote you from THIS VERY SAME POST:

I said that there is no dead line for true fan, but there is no way to tell them appart if they became one after a certain point.

The fact that you, or anyone, liked it before has been YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT. You say "I liked it first, so you're just copying me!" And now you say that when you liked it has no relevance? Please, Sabre, don't do this to your brain. It doesn't deserve this mistreatment. I know it's capable of better, so why are you being so stupid?

What does is that it had a small, devoted fanbase that was ridiculed by many of the same people who now claim they love it and act more fanboyish then the biggest fanboys back then.

So the fact that we ridiculed you is grounds to dismiss our love for the show? Yeah, that settles it. You're just butthurt. Thine ass is wounded. I've already apologized for being an ass back then, I'm sorry you're too busy whining to get over that fact. This whole thing is obviously just Sabre crying because people ridiculed him.

If anything, I like the show more now than I would have if I had ever been an ass about it to begin with, to be honest. I'm able to appreciate the totally stark turnaround in attitude I had regarding most things, and knowing that MLP did that gives it a special place in my heart.

2 examples. One was when I started wearing combat trousers and people would occational call me action man and the like (from a safe distence) until a celebrity started wearing and those same people were wearing addidas brand camoflage trousers. My brother was a punk, he had a mohawk and would get mocked the same way until Beckham got one, and those are just 2 personal examples. It happens all the time with clothes, shoes, speach, products, behavior ect. There was a famous American guy who started off the craze from wearing jeans that continues to this day. James Dean I think it was, not sure. Point is, before then they were workmans clothes and as fasionable as a high visability jacket or a hard hat. MLP is just like jeans, the mohawk, ect.

Oh my fucking god. Really, Sabre? This is just such a shining example of hypocrisy I almost feel physically ill to read it. In the past, you've rejected Steve's points about long distance relationships because you've never seen them work personally, and his anecdotes weren't good for you. So why is it that, now, you expect YOUR FUCKING PERSONAL ANECDOTES to hold any water? I'm not going to let this fucking point of yours fly because it's never happened to me.

SEE? I CAN FUCKING DO IT TOO.

["User"]

Good God for the love of...there's more bickering in here than a typical thread on a furry forum. >_>

Both of you drop this right now because I assure you there will be a formal follow up regarding what's transpired in this topic.

[DZComposer]

Also, if this doesn't stop: :lock:

[Milkyway64]

Why? It's a counter point thread, debate is going on, and a user is flat trolling in here. Of course he is going to get torn apart. The "flames" hitting Sabre aren't flames so much as they are just calling it like it is. Sabre is blind, butthurt, and hypocritical. This is easily shown through the contradications being made to every other thread sabre has trolled here as pointed out, most prominantly love life.

[Deploy]

I agree with Milky. This IS the counter-point, where real debate happens. Now that Sabre is just being butthurt and not making any sense, Xort is trying to knock some sense into him. That is one of the points of this section of the site, isn't it? To present your opinions, and call out others if you disagree.

What'd be the point of the counter-point if people couldn't... um... debate?

["User"]

I'm referring more to the personal attacks against others like "ignorant fuck" and other phrases that can easily be considered attacks. Stuff that severe really has no place on the board, regardless if it's the counter point or not. I personally don't care how "heated" the debates get otherwise, but tone it down with the more severe shit.

[Deploy]

I personally don't care how "heated" the debates get otherwise, but tone it down with the more severe shit.

That makes sense, but I'd give them a chance before locking it immediately.

[Drasiana]

In any other situation I'd agree to quit being so harsh but honestly this shit needs to stop.

This argument isn't going to be "won" unless someone releases some kind of be-all end-all chart of pony statistics with oddly specific results, and even then Sabre's just going to say it's fabricated by 4chan or something, in his usual way of straight-up ignoring half of what we say anyway.

He does this in EVERY THREAD HE TOUCHES, by being an insulting and inflammatory hypocrite who thinks his word is law and will not hear otherwise. The fact that he's a consistent factor in all these spats is more than enough proof that it's him who lacks the capability to use this board for its proper purpose.

In a forum like this, it's important to be able to consider truth in opinions differing from your own. This is an impossibility for Sabre. And he should consider this before he makes another post in the Counter-Point.

Friendship is magic, bitches.

[kkstarfox]

I think I've learned/ read more about MLP:FiM then i ever wanted to know. I can't believe people have such strong feelings about a childrens tv show what is this world coming to! :panic:

[Deploy]

I think I've learned/ read more about MLP:FiM then i ever wanted to know. I can't believe people have such strong feelings about a childrens tv show what is this world coming to!

Um... there are tons of "kids" shows that I and other people absolutely love. Invader Zim, SpongeBob, Animaniacs, etc.

I don't give a crap about what age it's made for as long as it's entertaining and well crafted whether it's comedy, action, etc.

The world isn't coming to anything. People just like a good cartoon.

You play Star Fox 64. It's rated "E". So by that logic it's bad that you're playing it. Go pick up something "M" rated.

Seriously.

[Thu'um]

I think I've learned/ read more about MLP:FiM then i ever wanted to know. I can't believe people have such strong feelings about a childrens tv show what is this world coming to!

Um... there are tons of "kids" shows that I and other people absolutely love. Invader Zim, SpongeBob, Animaniacs, etc.

I don't give a crap about what age it's made for as long as it's entertaining and well crafted whether it's comedy, action, etc.

The world isn't coming to anything. People just like a good cartoon.

You play Star Fox 64. It's rated "E". So by that logic it's bad that you're playing it. Go pick up something "M" rated.

Seriously.

i thoguht he posted this as more of a joke, but in any case, its an asome show. sure there are episodes i find less then entertaning but for the most part i can't really comprehend why some people don't enjoy it

[kkstarfox]

Yes I like Star Fox, but I am not so attached to it that I have to name call people, and make my self superior just so I can validate my own self interest in it. And it was meant as a joke, but as you just so happened to keenly demonstrate my point deploy. You jumped my throat just because i questioned your choice in entertainment, thus proving how quick to argue MLP fans are. I am not giong to judge you. My god! How dare I question MLP! Is it really worth fighting, arguing, and bickering about? Its a god damn TV show, seriously. If me poking fun is going to get you that upset to write a response to "put me in check," or what have you, its time to rethink an obsession...

But with all that said and done, if I have upset your delicate equilibrium, I apologize.

[Deploy]

But with all that said and done, if I have upset your delicate equilibrium, I apologize.

Well, I though you were being serious, so I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to "attack" you, was just sayin'.

If I knew you were JK, I wouldn't have said anything.

Most fans of things are quick to argue, not just FiM fans. Trust me, I've seen tons of it on many a franchise.

Just look at any gaming site pretty much, and you'll see heated arguments on Wii vs. 360 vs. PS3 all the time that go way out of hand and ridiculous.

So, once again, sorry.

[Xortberg]

Yes I like Star Fox, but I am not so attached to it that I have to name call people, and make my self superior just so I can validate my own self interest in it.

Yeah, you're not exactly a veteran here so you haven't seen any of the past Sabre-dramas in action. This was not anyone trying to make themselves feel superior because we like a kid's show. It was people getting pissed at Sabre because that's what he does: piss people off.

And it was meant as a joke, but as you just so happened to keenly demonstrate my point deploy. You jumped my throat just because i questioned your choice in entertainment, thus proving how quick to argue MLP fans are.

Because the actions of one fan in a situation where your motives are unclear totally = the mindset of every fan of the show ever. Yeah, that was sarcasm by the way.

I am not giong to judge you. My god! How dare I question MLP! Is it really worth fighting, arguing, and bickering about? Its a god damn TV show, seriously.

I've already responded to this in the above parts of my post. We were pissed at Sabre because he's Sabre, and Deploy responded as he did because he thought you were all supersrs and not joking. And all the fighting and arguing? This is the Counter Point. That's the entire point of this board.

If me poking fun is going to get you that upset to write a response to "put me in check," or what have you, its time to rethink an obsession...

Again, Counter Point. The reason behind this topic is debate over the show. If you can't handle that, then leave. Simple.

[kkstarfox]

Ah Xortborg there are a number of things I'd like to say!

Yeah, you're not exactly a veteran here so you haven't seen any of the past Sabre-dramas in action. This was not anyone trying to make themselves feel superior because we like a kid's show. It was people getting pissed at Sabre because that's what he does: piss people off.

Because I'm not a veteran here, that means I can't weigh in on the things I have seen? I've seen people get pissed off at Sabre presenting his side/ his opinion/ his point of view, than I see a bunch of people attack him and calling him names. Isn't this the counter point? That being said he does bring some of it on his own head, but when he back an animal into a corner of course it is going to bite back.

Because the actions of one fan in a situation where your motives are unclear totally = the mindset of every fan of the show ever. Yeah, that was sarcasm by the way.

No because I've seen numerous instances of MLP fans doing the same thing Deploy did. Obviously it occurs alot or you wouldn't have your smarmy .jpg pics that you can see numerous instances of above i.e. haters gonna hate. Now that is still from Deploy, so its a bad example but there are other instances. But I will not fault you that every minority has its fringe group defenders.

And all the fighting and arguing? This is the Counter Point. That's the entire point of this board.

Yes the counter point, the puprose being to debate the topic at hand. Key word here debate, when a debate becomes an argument it is no longer perfessional and the arguement will and does degenerate to name calling and hearsay. Even now as I talk I'm no longer even debating at the topic at hand.

Again, Counter Point. The reason behind this topic is debate over the show. If you can't handle that, then leave. Simple.

Oh congratulations, you win. Im finished and defeated. You win all the Internets. Congratulations.

[Sarita]

That's enough dickery, everyone. Plz and kthx. There's quite a bit of over reacting going on in here, and if you don't knock it off. Well, you know what will happen.