Who is the BETTER Couple

[ZM Anonymous]

Not trying to sound rude (just pointing out, not being offensive) but I don't think colors have connection with relationships. Thats like saying Fox should be with Falco because Fox's green uniform complements Falco's red one. Oh wait I saw the troll face so you were kidding, false alarm people!

It's just a joke dude. don't you see the trollface

[SlyJedi]

My response to the original post:

I have given my opinions about this matter before, and I shall now do it again.

and = My favorite StarFox Couple and #1 favorite VG couple. Period. They deserve each other and have, in my opinion, done just about everything to do so.

and = My 2nd favorite StarFox pairing. Their interactions were just so fun to watch and I could see good chemistry there. I would love to see it expanded on further (same with Fox and Krystal too) in competent installments.

Panther and Krystal =

P.S. Panther would be better off with Miyu Lynx. :cool:

[ZM Anonymous]

and - They deserve each other and have, in my opinion, done just about everything to do so. :D

I think Fox can do better. Remember Fara from the comic. They were practically made for each other. It's because of Fox's severe multiple personality disorder inflicted by the developers that the only reason he's even remotely attracted to her is because of two words: DAT ASS. By Assault, she's already flying an Arwing within 2 years of experience. That doesn't seem like much, but coming from a third-world planet and having her fly a spacecraft, I just couldn't help but say WTF. In the game, you see that the Fox and Krystal relationship develop, which isn't usually a bad thing, but in this game, Fox is just as flat as Krystal personality-wise. I don't know about you, but if you put two flat pieces together, you'd get a bigger or thicker, but otherwise flat piece of cardboard. Now in Command, They've tried to show Fox's concern for her by having him let her go from the team for safety. If Krystal thought it through, maybe she wouldn't get really fucking emotional. After that, it just becomes a weird rail shooter with a heavy tone of the Krystal/Fox fanservice.

and - Their interactions were just so fun to watch and I could see good chemistry there. I would love to see it expanded on further (same with Fox and Krystal too) in competent installments.

Now I actually think this relationship was better planned than the Fox/Krystal relationship, because it was established in SF64. It would've been wonky, had it not been for the mini-comic Farewell, Beloved Falco, which told about their relationship prior to the formation of Starfox, which in turn, beefed up their personalities in a good way. The best thing about this relationship though is it was actually played safe on the sideline.

and - AVGN FACEPALM I guess.

I really have no answer for this relationship, other than the fandom getting out of control. However, thanks to one of Commands fabulous, Oscar worthy endings, it shows potential for a new under-lying arch in the story if it goes the same way. Think! The damsel-in-distress, fueled by rage, self-loathing, and the forbidden love complex, turns into the ultimate enemy. Either really great or really stupid, it's just some thoughts. But then, maybe this relationship, though non-existent, could show that she's a GOLD DIGGER.

Who knows. I've wasted enough of my time anyways

[Dr. Orange]

Another Fox+krystal fan. There's No spark between the Two. How does that work. Oh ya, IT DOESN'T.

Falco+Katt. Ok I guess, At least he could (posabily) care about his woman.

Now on to Panther+ Krystal. PRO: He has Women skills and posability of caring for his woman. Spanish Romance Works!

CON: Will Probaily Would Cheat on her....Offen.

And all the other combanation I'm not going to get started.

[Drasiana]

If Krystal thought it through, maybe she wouldn't get really fucking emotional.

This is an unreal expectation and why I thought Krystal being a bitch to Fox was actually one of the most justifiable plot points in Command.

Krystal is the sole survivor of a destroyed planet that probably isn't even in Lylat. When Star Fox picked her up, they were her first real contact and home in Lylat. They were the ones who presumably introduced her to everything she came to know in the system. Star Fox wasn't a team she just happened to be a part of, it was her home. And then Fox kicks her out because, despite her having helped them save all of Lylat from an alien invasion along with the rest of the team they've been friends with forever, he "doesn't want her to get hurt". He was behaving entirely selfish and apparently did not consider her say in the matter at all. She had every right to be pissed off; she got completely disowned by those she'd come to think of as a family for something she had no say in. But why run off to Star Wolf? Well, other than General Pepper, they seem to be the only other people in Lylat she actually knows (and Lucy, but Lucy didn't even exist until Command so she doesn't count) and they're not exactly enemies by the end of Assault. She still wants to fly, she still wants to be useful...so she just joins the other group of friends they happen to have a rivalry with.*

_{*This is a rundown of the situation ignoring the glaring plotholes and flaws. Krystal actually being fairly useless and helpless wasn't necessarily supposed to be part of her character; I'm very sure she was intended to be taken as serious and competant, even though she was really only the token TnA. On an interesting note, I found her "CloudRunner" ship in Command, despite looking goofy, to be one of the best ships in the game.}

I don't agree with her being with Panther but not because of some deep emotional distress I have at pairings that aren't my omg otp. It's because Panther was funnier as the comedic relief "lady's man that never gets the lady". Having him actually get a lady, particularly one he'd previously only hit on for some degree of comic relief, seemed like an unnecessary character turn on part of both of them. But even then I found Krystal/Panther to be incredibly ambiguous, and she seemed to only say she was "with" him to piss off Fox and not out of any actual attraction to the guy.

Katt and Falco is by far the best "pairing" just because, as it's been pointed out, it was actually set up, they actually interact with each other, and there's conflict in their dynamic that makes their relationship interesting. Fox and Krystal's "romance" was mostly comprised of them doting on each other and asking "omg are you okay" or "aaaa fox save me" every thirty seconds; we never saw how they actually related to each other, or why they were attracted to each other, aside from "Fox saved her", and the idea that they should hook up on that reason alone is both lazy and sexist. Falco and Katt are interesting because they're not actually together...so there's a reason for us to care about the development of their relationship. We want to see them interact, and maybe get together, but that's the prize at the end of the journey, and it's the journey that we're interested in. That's another thing that bothers me about Fox/Krystal...we never see them kiss. Or hold hands. Or even tell each other their feelings. The closest we got was Tricky making a marriage joke, but I had no idea if they were even supposed to be together in Assault. Then suddenly in Command, we're expected to believe they WERE together and now AREN'T. Everything interesting about character romance--the flirting, the conflict, the uncertainty, the confession--happened with these two OFFSCREEN. As fans of the pairing, you should be completely upset at this, because the audience was totally cheated.

Then there's Slippy/Amanda, which I'm like 90% sure only happened so Falco could make that gay joke. ("Slippy's engaged? Like, to a woman?")

[SlyJedi]

I think Fox can do better. Remember Fara from the comic. They were practically made for each other.

That is your opinion and I will certainly respect that. I personally do not care for Fara, nor the comic for that matter. It was just not to my tastes.

It's because of Fox's severe multiple personality disorder inflicted by the developers that the only reason he's even remotely attracted to her is because of two words: DAT ***.

Sorry, but I disagree with your take on Fox. Since Nintendo worked with different parties for each game each tried to develop Fox's personality in some way. Remember the games from 64 to Assault take place over a 9 year period. Adventures Fox and team were kind of on hard times after 8 years, being low on funds and the like, whereas in Assault, the previous big venture put Fox and his team back on their feet. Not to mention Falco had rejoined the team and Krystal became the new member and fox got a year to spend time and get to know more. What I am saying is that Fox's behavior and personality in the games is, in my view, reflective of the current situation he and his friends are in.

I must also disagree with your take on his attraction to Krystal. Also, your use of wording came off to me as somewhat perverted, regardless of intention. Fox's initial attraction was not like that at all. It is more closer to (IMHO) one who has seen something like her for the first time. From all that I gather from current the StarFox games' (64 to Assault) cannon he had no experience with the opposite gender and so he was completely enamored with her beauty (NOTE: when he first sees her his POV shots are focused on her face).

By Assault, she's already flying an Arwing within 2 years of experience. That doesn't seem like much, but coming from a third-world planet and having her fly a spacecraft, I just couldn't help but say WTF.

It is actually 1 year (the gap between Adventures and Assault). Fox and the team probably helped all they could for her to learn, particularly Fox being the closest. What probably helped is that she at least knew some things about piloting. Remember at the end of Adventures she did use one of the Sharpclaw dropships to get to the Great Fox. Also the opening to Adventures stated that she had been traveling space, so she had to have been using some form of transportation and the reason we may not see or hear of it could be because it might have been lost when Krystal came to Sauria.

In the game, you see that the Fox and Krystal relationship develop, which isn't usually a bad thing, but in this game, Fox is just as flat as Krystal personality-wise. I don't know about you, but if you put two flat pieces together, you'd get a bigger or thicker, but otherwise flat piece of cardboard.

We did get some development for sure. From all I saw, it tells me that the tow were certainly developing as a pair but had not yet reached the "honeymoon" stage yet. I would say that there would still be more to go before that, maybe one or two more competent installments. Once again, I will respect your opinion on Fox's personality, but I will still disagree. After three games I can not see, for any reason at all, how Fox can have a flat personality. He is shown to be a headstrong and professional leader, yet still learning the ways of romantic interaction. Krystal I would label as developing in character. I would not say she is fully explored, no, but what we go was enough, in my view, to want to root for her on StarFox as a team player.

Now in Command, they've tried to show Fox's concern for her by having him let her go from the team for safety. If Krystal thought it through, maybe she wouldn't get really emotional. After that, It just because a weird rail shooter with a heavy tone of the Krystal/Fox fanservice.

Command was just a mess to me. It really messed up the relationships and such. Perhaps the only good thing for Fox and Krystal that came about it in my view was their son Marcus McCloud (I am a big fan of the character), but even he was not handled well. The game was rushed, for it only came out a year after Assault. I'm sure if Nintendo had waited a couple years and made the game for a major console the GC or Wii it would have been probably more well planned out and executed. I still hold hope that Nintendo picks up this series and does that. It would really be wonderful.

All in all this is just my take on the matters you have brought up. I am a big fan of the games before Command and Fox + Krystal (as you can see in my sig) and this is how the games' events come off to me. I do not mean to disrespect or insult you or your opinions in any way. You have your stance here and I have mine. To agree to disagree about this subject would benefit both ways.

I believe I have put about enough into this matter for right now.

[Drasiana]

I must also disagree with your take on his attraction to Krystal. Also, your use of wording came off to me as somewhat perverted, regardless of intention. Fox's initial attraction was not like that at all. It is more akin to one who has seen something like her for the first time. From all that I gather from current the StarFox games' (64 to Assault) cannon he had no experience with the opposite gender and so he was completely enamored with her beauty (NOTE: when he first sees her his POV shots are focused on her face).

That isn't better. At all. His point was that Fox was initially attracted to her based on physical attraction alone, which isn't justifiable as twoo wuv at all. Also, Fox was 26 in Adventures. I severely doubt that he'd never seen an attractive woman before. Especially considering the calander of sexy girls clearly seen in the background of the Great Fox. The porn sax soundtrack and Peppy making fun of Fox are also clear indicators that Fox wasn't exactly standing there thinking "you know, I bet she has a really nice personality". Also consider that Fox was a bit of an asshole in Adventures.

It is actually 1 year (the gap between Adventures and Assault). Fox and the team probably helped all they could for her to learn, particularly Fox being the closest. What probably helped is that she at least knew some things about piloting. Remember at the end of Adventures she did use one of the Sharpclaw dropships to get to the Great Fox. Also the opening to Adventures stated that she had been traveling space, so she had to have been using some form of transportation and the reason we may not see or hear of it could be because it might have been lost when Krystal came to Sauria.

The shorter the gap, the worse for her case. The SharpClaw dropship is a weird plothole, because it's the only time other than Scales' magic galleon that we see the residents of the planet use some kind of higher technology, leading me to assume that it was Krystal's ship to begin with and they stole it somehow. Even then, a ratty looking thing like that is nothing like a high-tech fighter ship like the Arwing. There's also the fact that she apparently didn't know English/Lylatian/whatever. Then there's the matter of her completely forgetting about and disregarding her personal quest once she was rescued.

We did get some development for sure. From all I saw, it tells me that the tow were certainly developing as a pair but had not yet reached the "honeymoon" stage yet. I would say that there would still be more to go before that, maybe one or two more competent installments. Once again, I will respect your opinion on Fox's personality, but I will still disagree. After three games I can not see, for any reason at all, how Fox can have a flat personality. He is shown to be a headstrong and professional leader, yet still learning the ways of romantic interaction. Krystal I would label as developing in character. I would not say she is fully explored, no, but what we go was enough, in my view, to want to root for her on StarFox as a team player.

Fox never had a character arc. He never changed based on the events of the plot. There were no significant flaws that he overcame based on the events of the story. By very definition, Fox is a flat character. His personality did change based on the game, but there was no express reason for that. He was absolute a polar opposite person from Adventures to Assault, and unless something significant happened to him in that time period to change him to that extent (nothing did) then there was no reason for him from going from a witty, rogueish, sarcastic adventurer to reserved, soft-spoken and level-headed. He was a completely different person, and people don't suddenly completely reverse their personalities for no reason. I don't buy "oh he's just more mature" considering only a year passed between the games, and parts of his previous personality would still shine through.

Don't even get me started on how he was in Command, I have never seen blander lines in a video game. I can understand him being more melancholy in that one just because he lost his girlfriend and all his friends, but melancholy and mature =/= completely boring. Ironically, depending on the plot thread, he did have a character arc, but it's all for naught anyway because of Command's questionable canonity. Even then the only endings that actually paid off or truly benefitted his change were the generic "the team reunites and everything is better again so let's pretend this game never happened" which I think were endings 1 and 9.

The ending responsible for the abomination that is Marcus is basically Krystal just saying, "You know, you were totally justified in kicking me out of my only home in Lylat and I think I owe you my uterus". The "sad" endings were a result of Fox not changing at all and just being as emo as he'd been for the rest of the game.

[Dr. Orange]

You people have the LONGEST POSTS EVER. :oops:

["User"]

You people have the LONGEST POSTS EVER.

That's because topics that you end up creating (such as this one) often involve some serious and logical discussion to be had therefore the long and drawn out posts. You have a knack for creating topics of interest. :)

[Milkyway64]

*enters thread*

*sees posts I want to reply to*

*scrolls down to quick post*

*sees it's taken care of*

Oh. Okay. Carry on then.

[Robert Monroe]

My response to the original post:

I have given my opinions about this matter before, and I shall now do it again.

and = My favorite StarFox Couple and #1 favorite VG couple. Period. They deserve each other and have, in my opinion, done just about everything to do so.

and = My 2nd favorite StarFox pairing. Their interactions were just so fun to watch and I could see good chemistry there. I would love to see it expanded on further (same with Fox and Krystal too) in competent installments.

Panther and Krystal =

P.S. Panther would be better off with Miyu Lynx.

You must not know too many video game pairings if Fox+Krystal is number 1. They're as stock as stock can be, and literally have no interesting twists on either character's behalf. Your dislike of Krystal+Panther continues to be unfounded beyond BOO I DON'T LIKE IT. Technically legit, but very very weak. And handwaving Panther with Miyu is just stupid because they're not even in the same continuity, its just a childish attempt to "pacify" Panther so he isn't forever alone.

[Drasiana]

No no, Robert, it makes perfect sense. Panther is like, a panther, right? Which is like a cat? And Miyu is a lynx, which is totally another cat. They're obviously meant for each other. It's like how Fox and Krystal are both foxes, and as we know...

...foxes are meant to be.

_{*cue reference to obscure forum retardery I'm not expecting many people to get}

[Sluggsnipa]

I just love to make The StarFox Fans to go crazy over this one. But still, Who is the BETTER Couple, Krystal & fox or Krystal & Panther.

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None of these couples are truly canon (I DO NOT THINK COMMAND IS CANON),I can't pick without having a debate,but I'd pick Fox X Krystal,it's the second most likely couple (Falco X Katt).

I can't really say why but after all my time here,it'sa better to not start these threads,whitout it being derailed by a butthurt fanboy,or the previous me.

This is like putting a bloddy lamb in shark infested waters and not expecting a nibble,but as the other posts suggest,we have a feeding frenzy going on,but as your post suggests,drama is your thing,and I'll admit it,I liked being dramatic as well but all has passed,but still expect me to be posting unecessary memes in my posts from time to time.

[Dublinthefox]

It's just a joke dude. don't you see the trollface

I didn't see it until after I posted it and I did mention it.

[DZComposer]

[Dr. Orange]

That's because topics that you end up creating (such as this one) often involve some serious and logical discussion to be had therefore the long and drawn out posts. You have a knack for creating topics of interest.

well there one CON of my forms that makes me sad. Come to think of it, i didn't read those long posts. Heh heh

[Drasiana]

*facepalm*

[Redeemer]

This coversation makes me die a little inside.

Also, if we can't get back on topic I may as well close it. I think it's been talked to death but you guys could very well surprise me.

[Dr. Orange]

This coversation makes me die a little inside.

Also, if we can't get back on topic I may as well close it. I think it's been talked to death but you guys could very well surprise me.

Well In that case...............

PARICK STEWART WANTS TO HEAR CONVERSATION!!!!!!!

:D

[Nope.]

And handwaving Panther with Miyu is just stupid because they're not even in the same continuity, its just a childish attempt to "pacify" Panther so he isn't forever alone.

This, this, this, and this, and also, tomboy and Casanova do not mix well.

[ZM Anonymous]

well there one CON of my forms that makes me sad. Come to think of it, i didn't read those long posts. Heh heh

What did you think it was gonna be? This ain't twitter. Stupidity doesn't just come in 140 characters or less.

[Redeemer]

Aaaand it's locked.