Harlow Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Basic for/against for some social issues Fill as you wish: Death Penalty: If the crime's a homicide or worse, yes. Fur: Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals, unlicensed or unfair treatment to animals prior farming. Leather's fine, though... Public access to fireweapons: Yes. Most criminals get their weapons illegaly, and, under strict rules, it can give civilians something for them to let them feel safe. Veganism: Eat whatever you want. just don't rub facts in my face or expect me to give you special treatment... Hunting: Again, Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals or unlicensed... Hemp cultivation: Still too soon for immediate legalization, but it does have it's other benefits. (Clothes, paper...) War: Hate the war, love the troops (may sound hypocritical, but exceptions do exist) Let's be civil and not flame others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph McCloud Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Death Penalty: This one hits rather close to home for me so I feel very strongly about it. I have no opposition to the death penalty if the crime is homicide or worse, it was not in self-defense, and they can without doubt prove that the person is guilty. Public access to fireweapons: Yes. Even if they were made illegal, a criminal could just as easily commit murder another way. Veganism: I find the not eating any product related to animals rather extreme, but if it works for that person then I see nothing wrong with it. As long as they arnt saying I am wrong for eating animals and animal products and arnt trying to convert me, Im fine with it. Hunting: I have never been hunting and dont plan to. Im fine with it though as long as the person is going to in some way use the animal or its meat for a purpose, not just kill for the fun of it and waste the animal. Abortion: I think it should be legal but only in certain cases such as rape or other similar instances. Hemp Cultivation: There really are legitament medical uses and it can be used for materials such as rope, paper and more. War: I believe we should strive for peace, but I know that will not be happening anywhere near in the future. Though I do not support the war and such, I have great respect for the troops that are fighting in it and risking their lives. (As Harlow said, it may sounds rather hypocritical, but thats my opinion on it as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZM Anonymous Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Death Penalty: If the crime's a homicide or worse, yes. You got to have concrete evidence, witness testimony, and a motive for the murder to even think of allowing the death penalty. What if someone was getting mugged and that victim pulls a gun on him and pulls the trigger, ultimately killing the perp. Should he/she get the electric chair (I know that we don't use that know, but you get the jist of it.) It has to be a pre-meditated killing with a clear motive. We can't just kill off anyone that may have taken a life. Fur: Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals, unlicensed or unfair treatment to animals prior farming. Leather's fine, though... Fur . . . I don't care. If you wanna blow thousands of dollars on something that you're gonna wear once, be my guest. Public access to fireweapons: Yes. Most criminals get their weapons illegaly, and, under strict rules, it can give civilians something for them to let them feel safe. You should need at least a permit to carry a concealed weapon. You don't wanna be the criminal just for having a gun, would ya? Veganism: Eat whatever you want. just don't rub facts in my face or expect me to give you special treatment... I agree. I wanna eat what I wanna eat. I shouldn't have to be told or guilted to eating healthier if I don't want to Hunting: Again, Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals or unlicensed... I disagree. You're just making criminals out of civilians. You're thinking about poachers. Abortion: Legal, but not on request. It has to be taken to court. It would be done if one fo these factors are involved: rape, maternal life, health, mental health, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors I disagree even more. If you get raped and you're pregnant and you'd have to go to court, you'd be flat out broke from court fees. It should always be the mother's choice, no matter what Hemp cultivation: Still too soon for immediate legalization, but it does have it's other benefits. (Clothes, paper...) I think now is the right time for Marijuana legalization. It'll cut spending on this so called "War on Drugs," stop arresting normal people for just having a little bit of Marijuana, and those people can get jobs. War: Hate the war, love the troops (may sound hypocritical, but exceptions do exist) I've learned not to hate the War because it happens. I just hate the troops that kill innocent people and use war as an excuse for it. That's not all troops, that's just a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 You got to have concrete evidence, witness testimony, and a motive for the murder to even think of allowing the death penalty. What if someone was getting mugged and that victim pulls a gun on him and pulls the trigger, ultimately killing the perp. Should he/she get the electric chair (I know that we don't use that know, but you get the jist of it.) It has to be a pre-meditated killing with a clear motive. We can't just kill off anyone that may have taken a life. You should need at least a permit to carry a concealed weapon. You don't wanna be the criminal just for having a gun, would ya? I agree. I wanna eat what I wanna eat. I shouldn't have to be told or guilted to eating healthier if I don't want to I disagree. You're just making criminals out of civilians. You're thinking about poachers. I disagree even more. If you get raped and you're pregnant and you'd have to go to court, you'd be flat out broke from court fees. It should always be the mother's choice, no matter what I think now is the right time for Marijuana legalization. It'll cut spending on this so called "War on Drugs," stop arresting normal people for just having a little bit of Marijuana, and those people can get jobs. I've learned not to hate the War because it happens. I just hate the troops that kill innocent people and use war as an excuse for it. That's not all troops, that's just a few 1. Of course you need a solid argument for prosecuting. 2. I thought I made that clear. Under strict rules one can own a gun. 3. Claims that a vegan diet is healthier are mostly unfounded and illogical, but I agree with your POV 4. No, there are people who live by hunting. Also, hunting Deer, Quail and other wood critters are perfectly legal (Of course, I only agree with a kill if it's given a fruitful use, not as a "point" in a game) 5. Unfortunately, many pregnant women who get abortions are doing it just for plain egoism. It has to be controlled. 6. I prefer to wait until this "War on drugs" is over. In Bolivia, the Coca leaf is legal, but it's also thriving with illicit cocaine transports. What it seems to be a nice legal luxury may open the doors for a shadier business, so you need to wipe the illicits. 7. Wars are mostly a "good vs. evil" US troops tend to avoid women and children when attackign evil organizations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Elite Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Stances, I use Orthdox but am capable of switching to Southpaw at a moment's notice. But seriously. Death Penalty: Only for murder, and the person truly has to be a sob first Fur: I don't wear it. Let's see, It has to be humane, and capping it maybe. Public access to firearms: Hate to say it, but I'm against it. I'm not saying people shouldn't have a defense, but just handing out guns isn't a good idea, then the criminals could get the guns legally and easily. So under strict rules maybe. Veganism: That's their choice. Hunting: Not me personally, but if done legally, sure. Hemp cultivation: No thanks, and don't tell me that's it's perfectly safe. War: Only if it's necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZM Anonymous Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 5. Unfortunately, many pregnant women who get abortions are doing it just for plain egoism. It has to be controlled. YES! THOSE GODDAMNED WOMEN WITH THEIR GODDAMNED ABILITY TO ABORT THEIR UNBORN CHILD SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP ON PARTYING! THEY SHOULD SUFFER! In all seriousness, you have no idea how ignorant and offensive you just sounded. Do you actually think that women would actually go out, have unprotected sex, and get pregnant just to gloat about the abortion that they're gonna have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 YES! THOSE GODDAMNED WOMEN WITH THEIR GODDAMNED ABILITY TO ABORT THEIR UNBORN CHILD SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP ON PARTYING! THEY SHOULD SUFFER! In all seriousness, you have no idea how ignorant and offensive you just sounded. Do you actually think that women would actually go out, have unprotected sex, and get pregnant just to gloat about the abortion that they're gonna have? That case does happen irl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZM Anonymous Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That case does happen irl. That doesn't justify anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Basic for/against for some social issues Fill as you wish: Death Penalty: If the crime's a homicide or worse, yes. Fur: Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals, unlicensed or unfair treatment to animals prior farming. Leather's fine, though... Public access to fireweapons: Yes. Most criminals get their weapons illegaly, and, under strict rules, it can give civilians something for them to let them feel safe. Veganism: Eat whatever you want. just don't rub facts in my face or expect me to give you special treatment... Hunting: Again, Incarceration if practiced with endangered animals or unlicensed... Abortion: Legal, but not on request. It has to be taken to court. It would be done if one fo these factors are involved: rape, maternal life, health, mental health, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors Hemp cultivation: Still too soon for immediate legalization, but it does have it's other benefits. (Clothes, paper...) War: Hate the war, love the troops (may sound hypocritical, but exceptions do exist) Let's be civil and not flame others... sounds good! but i didn't read to carfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Death Penalty To be honest I don't know where I stand on this. I'm not a big believer in revenge but I can understand it completely. Fur Depends on the context. I have to roll my eyes at a fabulously rich woman wearing a coat made of dead animals but fur makes an amazing insulator and I believe there are methods of getting it from some animals that don't require them to be killed. Public access to fireweapons No. As has been stated, if the bad guys are going to get guns they're going to get guns, and far more risk comes from every average joe wandering around with a gun and a paranoia causing an itchy trigger finger. I'd rather risk the very minimal chance I have of getting caught up in gangs than walk into a public place filled with regular, likely untrained dudes with guns. If you have a gun, you better have both a permit and a good reason. Veganism Eat what you want to eat, don't be a pretentious git to me about it. Om nom bacon. Hunting For food and other resources, go for it. But I don't have much respect for any redneck going out there and bragging about how many animals he dun shot. Abortion Completely legal. If someone is desperate for an abortion, they'll get one legal or no, and if some partying chick goes out and gets preggo and wants to dump the kid, do you think she'd be a good mother if forced to keep it? The adoption and foster systems are horribly broken, too, so that's a poor option. Hemp cultivation Hemp is legal in Canada so that itself isn't a big deal for me. However, even without being a stoner I do believe marijuana should be legalized. It's safer than both alcohol and cigarettes and actually has medicinal properties. War As a last resort. Also I'll throw this out as it's one of the big ones you seem to have missed: Gay Marriage. To which I say, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I can see this topic becoming a hodge podge of drama on the various controversial issues already. Just a friendly reminder that people are entitled to their own opinion and accusations of intolerance, bigotry, hatred, immorality, etc will NOT be tolerated here. Also, need I remind you guys this topic is only for individual members to post their stance on said issues and as such any elaborate discussion about one or more of them is beyond this topic's scope. In that case feel free to create a new topic if you wish to debate in depth about any one of these issues. Death Penalty: While I believe the threat of death as a deterrent to taking someone else's life is entirely justified it's usage should be on a case by case basis and dependent on a number of factors. Fur: My only opinion on this is that you follow the laws of your country with respect to animals. Otherwise I don't really care either way. Public access to fireweapons: More guns is not necessarily a good thing, regardless of whether they are used legally or illegally. Most Western countries today have public access to firearms with various rules of course. As long as they aren't brandished and only used for self defense than I don't have any real issues with it. Veganism: People can eat what they want. Hunting: Same as my opinions over Fur. Abortion: Opposed in most cases. Over 95% of abortions are done for more "convenience" reasons that don't involve things like rape, health of the woman etc. That other 5% is overblown in today's media and is frequently pitted as a comment against pro-lifers. The definition of what constitutes "life" has been raging for a long time. Hemp cultivation: I'm opposed to smoking and other drugs that damage the body but I'm failing to see why weed isn't legalized if smoking tobacco is allowed. >_> War: Not all wars are justified but throughout history there are times when war is really the only recourse available. World War II comes to mind immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlow Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Also I'll throw this out as it's one of the big ones you seem to have missed: Gay Marriage. To which I say, yes. I thought that was way too big to ask for a stance on. Hope you understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 No abortion discussion in here, guys, it's in the board rules. -- Death Penalty: On the fence. Both sides have good points. Fur: Largely against. Public access to fireweapons: Within reason. Sure have a pistol or a hunting rifle. You DO NOT, on the other hand, need an AK-47. Veganism: Don't care. Hunting: Only for food. Killing something for sport alone is something that should be a sign of mental sickness. Abortion: DO NOT TOUCH ISSUE ON SFO Hemp cultivation: Hemp != Weed. Only some species of hemp produce THC. It's a great material for fabrics and for ethanol production. Legalize it. (Weed should be legal, too, as it is far less toxic than tobacco or alcohol) War: Only in self-defense. None of this pre-emptive bullshit that Bush did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Death Penalty: Yes, under the right circumstances. Fur: For the very most part against it. As a fashion vanity item, it's despicable. It doesn't bother me at all however, when for example members of the Sami people (Native inhabitants in Scandinavia) use reindeer skins as clothing to keep warm in the arctic enviroment. That's something entirely different. Public access to weaponry. Pros and cons to both. Overall, I'm for. As long as it comes with strict rules and regulations. Veganism: I'm okay with that. You know, if some people want to subject themself to total absence of meat and animal products in their life, I think they should be allowed to do that. Hunting: Neutral on this one. Hemp cultivation: Why not? Seeing as there's tons of other uses to hemp than getting stoned, I fail to see why this should be an issue at all. War: If necesary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Basic for/against for some social issues Fill as you wish: Death Penalty: A life for a life, especially for someone who has taken multiple. Fur: Harvest all you want, im sure we can just grow more Public access to fireweapons: Id rather have everyone fight off an AK-47 with handguns, then have everyone fight off a handgun by our lonesome Veganism: I just ate two delicious hamburgers. Hunting: Needs to be done, plus tastes great Hemp cultivation: Do it, love it, leave it. War: Hate the war, love the troops . but some wars need to be fought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I could answer indervidually, but it can summed up with "I don't care." Most are stupid and/or pointless. eg. Death Penalty. Stupid as it's revenge and nothing more and police are inept, but people like it so why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-Shot Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Death Penalty: Death for Murder, If proven for over 3 cases of rape, and kidnapping lasting over 5 years. Fur: I'd rather you wear Faux fur than Fox fur, and any other fur, no one can tell the differance. I agree with leather being ok, but I'd rather you use pleather. Weapons: I see no problem with people owning a gun, if criminals didn't have guns, then they'd have another way, you can't avoid it, so ignore it. Veganism: Eat what you want, just don't hold back an entire dang line because your a vegan and you must have everything your way for food. Hunting: I'm ok with it, but try to use as much of the animal as possible like the Native Americans did, otherwise you're a bigger pansy than people from before guns were big. Hemp: No idea. War: I don't like war, but I understand we need some form of defense, so just like others said, Hate the war, love the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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