godhatesfurries

[Milkyway64]

http://godhatesfurries.com/

Get a load of these guys. Not sure if masterful trolling or just ignorant.

Anyhow, what does everyone think here? Are they totally ignorant, or may they be onto something beyond the intense butthurt and overblowing of the situation?

[Drasiana]

The fact that it's a clear reference to Fred Phelps and his insanity with the tagline "fair, unbiased" makes me scream TROLL, at least to some extent. Though I don't think anyone can truthfully say that a good chunk of the furry fandom isn't batshit insane and bring drama upon themselves.

This reeks of parody and should be regarded as such.

[ZM Anonymous]

http://godhatesfurries.com/

Get a load of these guys. Not sure if masterful trolling or just ignorant.

Anyhow, what does everyone think here? Are they totally ignorant, or may they be onto something beyond the intense butthurt and overblowing of the situation?

LOL! At first when reading the url, I thought this was a sect of the WBC dedicated to bashing furries. That'd be funny too.

I looked through the site and I will say that, to me, it's pretty much trolling since the emails it gets are from furries pretty much getting butthurt. And that 40 dollar MSPaint commission article? It just goes to show ya that there's no money like stupid furry money.

[Xortberg]

Yep. I was linked to it earlier today, and while the guy's definitely no slouch, it's obvious he's trolling and he made some pretty painful mistakes.

I sent the guy a rather lengthy email explaining as much, and telling him that it's actually quite a mediocre trolling. I fully expect no response, considering he only replies to the ones sent in by butthurt idiots. Still, it was fun to tear him apart.

[Rik McCloud]

This site's been on the web for years. I'm not bothered by it and just ignore it's existence. I find it kinda sad that someone devotes their time to updating it.

[Guest Mr. Nintendo]

As I always like to say “Over 65% of people on the internet have a negative IQ score and aren't afraid to show their intelligence.â€

Yeah, that guy is indeed a troll. Showing many examples of himself already being butthurt.

[Xortberg]

Dug into my Sent Mail to find the email I sent. Spoilertagged because it's a hell of a wall.

First, let me make one thing clear: I am not a furry.

Now that that's out of the way, I've got to say your site is totally full of shit, and it's quite obvious you're just a troll. I've got no problem with that; trolls are cool, as long as they're entertaining and they put thought into what they do. You, however, seem to fall short of some of the greater trolls I've seen around the Internet. How? Well, your first mistake was grammar.

Now, my grammar isn't always perfect, and I'm sure there'll be mistakes here and there even in this email, but that's because most of what I do is posting in forums and other such casual things. You, though, are making a website for the express purpose of hating furries, and you can't even be bothered to fix several glaringly obvious grammatical mistakes in several of your articles. For example:

"As far as I know, sometime around the mid-90s something happend to Furries and each successive year after that they have become more and more deranged, more and more weird, more and more obnoxious and more and wrong and in recent years they've had a lot of media exposure because of their oddball antics."

Wow. First, 'happend.' A simple spell check would have fixed that one. Sloppy. Next, '...more and more obnoxious and more and wrong...' More and wrong? A simple mistake, and one that I myself am sometimes prone to making. Still, this is the first article on your website as well as the second paragraph with any substance to it. Sloppy.

Now, I could comb through your articles for all the grammar flubs and typos, but I think you already get the idea. And again, this wouldn't be nearly as big a deal if it weren't for the fact that you are the webmaster here, and you can't even be bothered to make sure your grammar is free of obvious mistakes. Not too good at all. I mean, how am I supposed to respect your opinion if you can't even proofread your articles?

The second thing I have beef with is your logic, or lack thereof. You've done your homework on the furry community for sure, and props for that. But factual accuracy doesn't mean shit when your arguments are laced with bad logic and poor arguments. Example time!

"Furryism is like an onion. Consider an onion - it has layers upon layers of skin that can be peeled away. Furryism is like that, but instead of layers of onion skins furryism has layers upon layers of what is scientifically known as "Horrible disgusting shit". And, like an onion, as you peel away more and more layers of horrible disgusting shit you tend to start weeping uncontrollably. While it is entirely fair to say "Not all furries are into [Horrible sexual deviance of choice]", it is a misleading statement that doesn't tell the whole story. Consider a group of ten people - 3 of them are paedophiles, 3 of them are zoophiles, 3 of them are rapists and 1 of them has a thing for corpses. Now, it is entirely truthful to say "Hey, not all of these people are into having sex with corpses" but that doesn't tell the whole story - it is instead more accurate to say "Hey, ALL of these people are into some really horrible stuff", and so it is with furryism."

Yeah... your analogy is totally unrelated. Those ten people have nothing in common. Furries, on the other hand, share a common thread keeping them together. In addition, it doesn't even mesh with your previous statement that furryism is like an onion. That simile implies that the outer layers are tolerable while the inner layers are where you find the sexual depravity, but your 'ten people' analogy just has them all be horrible people from the start. There's no coherent connection here. Another example:

"I say "just a bit dimmer" because the guy who dresses up as Mr. Spock doesn't actually believe that the spirit of Mr. Spock is living inside his body and guiding his actions - such as a lot of furries believe in regards to their "animal spirit". Regardless, they are still obnoxious people and most definatley into some of that "Horrible, disgusting shit.""

This is a shameless, baseless generalization, and it doesn't even completely root itself in your previous arguments. Never before that point had you mentioned anything about furries thinking animal spirits inhabited their bodies, as far as I am aware. That point was reserved for your section on 'otherkin' which, as you said yourself, aren't even quite furries. Loose threads here are unraveling your credibility. Not good.

And, although you already did address this in another email that was sent, your links to furry art/fursuits/other furry things only showed the obviously bad. While I'm not a furry myself, several of my online friends are, including the one who linked me to your site. As such, I tend to see some of the better examples of furry related art and - get ready for it - most of it isn't even inherently sexual! Now, that's not to say I haven't been linked to the occasional tailsrulz picture, but a lot of the good furry art I see is completely clean, or at worst, jokingly dirty. All that said. it's poor form to link two pictures and say that they're representative of the entirety of furry art. I'm sure you know yourself, but there's veritable tons of furry art out there, and there's no way in hell two pictures and a snapshot of a couple of bad fursuits can encompass everything in the fandom.

Thirdly, your email response page. I love hatemail, because most of it is totally incoherent sputtering fanrage. Angry emailers amuse me with their impotence. However, a very important part of good hatemail response pages is actually responding to the mail you get. You did a generally good job of this, but several didn't have any reply from you at all, and one in particular had you say:

"I didn't read this next email. It was far too long. I tried reading it again, because I figured if I was going to copy it onto this page I should at least know what it says, but then I remembered that it was reeeeally reeeally long, so I didn't bother. If someone can read it for me and email me the general jist of it (Prefereably in 5 short words or less), I'd be very greatful. Feel free to skip over it, it's probably not very funny."

Bad form on your part, and honestly a bad move. If you're going to post an email that actually makes good points against you, admit that they make good points. Doing what you did - posting an email and saying you didn't bother reading it because it was long - was a pretty pathetic attempt at making that person look dumb, as it really just made you look dumb. Too lazy to read a long email? And coupled with the fact that you apparently didn't know the contents of the email, thus knowing they were pretty valid points against you, it looks pretty funny from the opposing side's point of view.

Finally, a troll has to do certain things to be respectable - or at least, as respectable as a troll can be. One such thing is choosing an appropriately difficult target. While I've pointed out many, many flaws with your methodology, there's no denying you're more than familiar with the basics. Now, with all due respect to the furry community, furries are notoriously easy to troll. While you may not be a top notch entertainer, you're a more than passable troll, and what you're doing here is basically the equivalent of a high level character in an MMO picking on low levels. There's no real entertainment value, because the outcome is basically predetermined.

Tl;dr: You're a subpar troll. 5/10 I've seen better.

[Xortberg]

Sorry for the double post, but he responded.

"Look at all of those words I didn't bother reading.

Yours in Christ

J"

Yep. If there was ever any doubt at all, it's confirmed that he's a total troll.

[Nope.]

Lulz, fail troll. That's all I have to say.

["User"]

Despite not being the best troll with his spelling, grammar, and poor choice of analogies at times the guy has done his homework on a lot of what he says. Having been in the fandom since 2004 and taking it upon myself to study the history of the fandom, conventions, etc I can vouch for the accuracy of a lot what he says, especially when it comes to anything stat related, with the exception of statements that are obviously meant for lulz and some of the more extreme things he says. For example, a statement like this is pretty much absolutely correct.

"If Furries have been around for so long, why did I only just hear about them?

This is a good question. From what I gather, Furries weren't ALWAYS the horrible throng of yiffing weirdos we know today, if you had ventured into alt.fan.furry in the early 90s you'd have simply seen a group of people discussing cartoons (You can verify this with Google Groups). As far as I know, sometime around the mid-90s something happend to Furries and each successive year after that they have become more and more deranged, more and more weird, more and more obnoxious and more and wrong and in recent years they've had a lot of media exposure because of their oddball antics."

What bothers me personally is furries trying to vigorously defend the fandom while not acknowledging a bunch of basic truths that often gets them trolled. For example, it's been shown time and time again over the years via polls taken at conventions and online that an easy majority of furries have at least some sexual interest in the fandom and that most people in the fandom are not straight (either bi or gay). Denying these simple facts just make furries appear to not want to accept the truth. I'm not sure if these furries who suffer from this persecution complex have actually BEEN to conventions or not and see what ends up going on there as far as art sales, activities, etc or otherwise did research into this matter...I'm sure they haven't otherwise they wouldn't be throwing up blanket denials like this that only make them look bad with their arguments.

I'm a furry, and I'm not afraid to admit that years ago I've been into some of the more "deranged" aspects of the fandom but that being said I take a lot of this fursecution in good fun. I find sites like this truly hilarious, I laugh along with it, and in this particular case I actually agree or at least don't disagree with a majority of what he says. I just wish all furries had the same mentality as I do and just brushed off comments like this or laughed along with it - maybe then most of this would stop.

[Redeemer]

Pffffahahahahaha, I smell a troll.

And if this is indeed, by some slim chance, some religious people hating on once again another thing they dislike/fear, then I shall lol even more. I feel so sorry for some people it's hard to actually be angry at them. Those poor, unfortunate souls.

[Nope.]

religious people hating on once again another thing they dislike/fear

Damn, those kind of people only gave me tons of headaches in real life. It's like they have voice filters in their ears.

[Thu'um]

I luaghed at his website, it was entertaining

["User"]

Pffffahahahahaha, I smell a troll.

And if this is indeed, by some slim chance, some religious people hating on once again another thing they dislike/fear, then I shall lol even more. I feel so sorry for some people it's hard to actually be angry at them. Those poor, unfortunate souls.

The site has absolutely nothing to do with religious viewpoints other then the trolling name of the URL. The site owner made this very clear. The hilarious thing though is that, if anything, the other "godhates" domains ripped HIM off since his site has been up for almost 10 years.

[LoneWolf]

[Sabre]

Old 4 chan joke. Next.

"What bothers me personally is furries trying to vigorously defend the fandom while not acknowledging a bunch of basic truths that often gets them trolled. For example, it's been shown time and time again over the years via polls taken at conventions and online that an easy majority of furries have at least some sexual interest in the fandom and that most people in the fandom are not straight (either bi or gay). Denying these simple facts just make furries appear to not want to accept the truth. I'm not sure if these furries who suffer from this persecution complex have actually BEEN to conventions or not and see what ends up going on there as far as art sales, activities, etc or otherwise did research into this matter...I'm sure they haven't otherwise they wouldn't be throwing up blanket denials like this that only make them look bad with their arguments. "

I think the issue there is possable selection bias, although the more interesting point is a chicken and egg situation.

For example, the local furmeet where I live it mostly gays. For a long time I was the only straight there. Part of the reason was they would alienate straights by doing things like going to gay bars. So, we'd meet at a pub, go bowling, then after head to the gay bar. Another example is when half the meet (about 15) vanished. Later it was discovered they had broken off into groups of 2 or 3 to have sex. The point is, straights who do turn up only do so a few times.

Also, I haven't done research into it. I heard once that there was more gays then average in furry, but it was still mostly straight. Not sure about that.

So, I wouldn't go so far as to say they are in denile, rather there is some reasonable doubt until we find a cause.

[LoneWolf]

For example, the local furmeet where I live it mostly gays. For a long time I was the only straight there. Part of the reason was they would alienate straights by doing things like going to gay bars. So, we'd meet at a pub, go bowling, then after head to the gay bar. Another example is when half the meet (about 15) vanished. Later it was discovered they had broken off into groups of 2 or 3 to have sex.

Wait, why am I surprised? I've known this since I became a furry.

That doesn't make it any less disturbing though.

[Drasiana]

I think if people stopped acting like "furry" was a social movement and not just a silly subculture then yes most of the trolling would stop.

[Sabre]

I think if people stopped acting like "furry" was a social movement and not just a silly subculture then yes most of the trolling would stop.

I disagree. Not only that, but they shouldn't have to.

First, trolls have shown they can never let a joke die. If all furries vanished, trolls would still be making furry jokes for years.

Second, why should they? Let's take sports as an example. They don't just watch the match on TV, it's on the news, they talk about it constatly and even dress up like players. There is a saying "a fanatic is a person who won't stop talking and won't change the subject" and that is true of sports fans. I do agree that furries shouldn't force their fetishes onto others, a complaint I also make about gays, but why should gays and sports fans be allowed to wear their hobby/fetish on their sleave but furries can't?

[Xortberg]

I do agree that furries shouldn't force their fetishes onto others, a complaint I also make about gays, but why should gays and sports fans be allowed to wear their hobby/fetish on their sleave but furries can't?

Because society says they can't. It's bull, but it's how it goes. And unless furries decide to completely change the way the vast majority of 'normal' people look at them, that's how it's going to stay.

[Drasiana]

First off.

"Gay" isn't a fetish, and "being gay" and "being furry" are two wildly different situations that, while they do overlap, are NOT the same, nor are they the same as any other minority that has struggled with rights. Furries are not denied the right to marry because they are furries. They have never been denied to vote, take public transit, or go to certain schools simply because they like pretending to be an animal on the internet.

Secondly, what exactly are the ways that society hates furries? I'm not talking about some thirteen year old /b/tard on deviantArt going LOL YIFF IN HELL, I'm talking about the actual world. You know, the important part.

There are furries, kids on the internet that make fun of furries, and people who just don't give a shit. Surprisingly, the world is mostly comprised of that last one. If I sit in any given place and doodle Star Fox characters or animal people, I don't get fucking lynched. The reaction is "oh cool animal people" and then people get on with their lives.

And personally, I'm not too broken up that the kid in shoddy wolf ears/tail and ill-fitting clothes that reeks of sweat and cheetos gets funny looks when he goes to Walmart*, nor am I overly upset when some tween girl on deviantArt proclaiming her SPIRIT WOLF ANIMAL is better than mine gets a stern internet talking-to. If some dude comes up to me in the street dressed as a multicolour vulpine and starts talking to me about how this is his TRUE FORM then I am going to react the same way I would to some goth chick getting offended that I don't believe that she's a vampire.

People who annoyingly shriek FURRY PRIDE over everything they touch, ask people for "high paws" instead of "high fives", cry when they aren't allowed to fursuit at school, and basically never shut the fuck up about furries or how they're "fursecuted" are what draw the trolls to them. Maybe the weird porn of Disney's Robin Hood has something to do with it, of course, but for the most part it's all so melodramatic and overhyped that all the so-called fursecution only exists because furries are looking to be fursecuted. It's just a damn hobby, and people take it FAR too seriously.

On a side note, getting so pissy about trolls all the time is why the exist. If you, I dunno, stopped considering trolls as part of the equation (considering most of them are exaggerated sockpuppets and not an accurate reflection of all of society), you'd find life a lot easier.

_{*before you cry OMG U STEREOTYPE U MEANIE this is based on an actual photo floating around the interweb, and the later mentioned "high-paws/school fursuiting" guy is a person I know. I know not all furries are this batshit insane, but a good chunk of them ARE and it's frankly why I dislike being associated with the larger portion of the fandom.}

[Rogue Fox]

Yeah, I heard about this site.

I have accepted that to every person who has an interest in something, there will always be another who openly hates it.

I however find it funny in an ironic way that for people who say they hate furries, they are sure spending alot of their free time talking about it!

Basically I ignore trolls or laugh at them, whichever comes first. I also recognize the problems of the Furry Fandom, and I choose not to participate in those aspects.

[Sabre]

I seem to have touched a nurve. I would say stop being so over dramatic, but I keep forgetting that America still treats gays as second class citizens.

As for the concept of gay as a fetish, we'll have to disagree. Most gays I know you couldn't tell they were gay, but then you get the ones in rainbow bangles and pink shirts who skip everywhere describing everything as fabulous and hitting on every guy they see. Basicly a steriotype that annoiys even other gays. A perfect example of this are gay pride parades where they turn up in BDSM gear. That's a fetish, not a lifestyle.

And personally, I'm not too broken up that the kid in shoddy wolf ears/tail and ill-fitting clothes that reeks of sweat and cheetos gets funny looks when he goes to Walmart*, nor am I overly upset when some tween girl on deviantArt proclaiming her SPIRIT WOLF ANIMAL is better than mine gets a stern internet talking-to. If some dude comes up to me in the street dressed as a multicolour vulpine and starts talking to me about how this is his TRUE FORM then I am going to react the same way I would to some goth chick getting offended that I don't believe that she's a vampire.

This is the very thing I was getting at. It's fine to be a steriotype gay, a goth, emo, chav, football fan, biker, trendy or pretty much anything but furry. Why?

[Drasiana]

I seem to have touched a nurve. I would say stop being so over dramatic, but I keep forgetting that America still treats gays as second class citizens.

I don't know what a "nurve" is, and I'm not the one being overdramatic; at least not when you look at all the whining furries out there who compare the struggles of "being a furry" to racial, gender and sexuality battles. Either way that point is moot unless you believe furries are getting the "second class citizen" treatment (they aren't).

As for the concept of gay as a fetish, we'll have to disagree. Most gays I know you couldn't tell they were gay, but then you get the ones in rainbow bangles and pink shirts who skip everywhere describing everything as fabulous and hitting on every guy they see. Basicly a steriotype that annoiys even other gays. A perfect example of this are gay pride parades where they turn up in BDSM gear. That's a fetish, not a lifestyle.

BDSM is a fetish. "Gay" is not a fetish. Gay is an orientation. As in, you are a man who not only likes having sex with men, but falls in love with them too. If being gay is a fetish than so is being straight, and even then what you described isn't so much a "fetish" as it is an "annoying self-perpetuating stereotype".

There are also many who would argue that fetish IS a lifestyle.

This is the very thing I was getting at. It's fine to be a steriotype gay, a goth, emo, chav, football fan, biker, trendy or pretty much anything but furry. Why?

"It's fine to be a stereotype etc."? Really? When you just above described your disdain for "stereotypical gays"? I don't know where you've been looking lately but every single one of these things is made fun of on a constant basis by every other group of people. My point wasn't that people shouldn't be ALLOWED to wear their poorly-made fox-ears-on-a-headband in public, it was that if you do choose to wear them, don't consider the funny looks you recieve a detriment to your personal rights. It's the same look people with gigantic spikes through their noses or facial tattoos or mohawks get, because fancy that, you're dressing in an unusual way.

Also, where in my post did I suggest that society thought it was okay to be any other stereotype except for furry?

Yeah sure furries get "yiff in hell, furfag!", but emos get "cry moar emo kid", gays get countless sorts of abuse, etc. So I don't understand why furries are always so confused and feel extremely victimized when they have to face the same issues as every other subculture to have ever existed.

[Sabre]

You are avoiding the point. The fact you bring up a spelling error proves that. Yes, there do exsist steriotypes of other sub groups. There are ones that are considered annoiying by others in the same group. The difference, as I pointed out, is that it's fine to be part of any of those groups.

Since you claim to have a hard time grasping that idea, (something I think you are doing to avoid the point) let me put it in the form of a story.

Steve, Chris and Bob are football fans. Steve is a toothless hooligan who starts fights and smashes up the place when his team loses. Chris is a crazy person who talks about football none stop, and complains when something isn't football. Bob just watches his teams games.

Bob is perfectly accepted by society. The sins of Steve and Chris are not forced onto Bob. Bob can still go to the pub without being picked on. He can stand at a bus stop without threats of violence from passing teens ect.

Now with furries, because Steve is the steriotypes you describe, yes he is annoiying and could do with a good punch, but people don't. Bob also has to put up with bullying.

So, the point is the following

1- Football fans don't get picked on like furries do, even the bad or annoiying ones.

2- Even if they did, why are all furries assumed to be as bad as the few bad eggs?