Samus versus Master Chief

[Zicka]

The Hunter:

Origins: Known to some as Samus Aran. Blood family killed; lived and raised by the Chozo as a child.

Affiliation: Galactic Federation Police (GFP)

Training and acquired skills: Trained in the combat arts of the Chozo, infused with Chozo blood; Developed a keen sense of tactical combat and survival. At the peak of human fitness.

Armaments: Varia suit: Technologically advanced Chozo all-atmospheric combat armor. Shielding protects against projectile attacks and blunt force trauma, high intensity lasers, plasma, concussive blasts by grenades and missiles, highly corrosive acidic substances, and temperatures of up to 8,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

Able to move unhindered underwater, and contains microfactory technology for extended periods in space.

Suit greatly augments physical strength.

Jet systems provide greater jumping ability and limited aeronautical maneuvering.

Weapons: Arm mounted modular energy-based cannon.

Equipped with Power beam, Wave beam (electrically based), Ice beam (weaponised energy based super coolant), and Plasma beam.

Comes with an array of missiles.

Tactical: Visor: Heads up display, Equipped with Thermal visors, X-Ray visors, and a scan function to find any and all viable enemy weaknesses.

Merits: Purged Planet SR388 of All Space Pirate activity, and Metroid population.

Single-handedly wiped out Planet Zebes, Main base of operations for the Space Pirates, Home of the Metroid Mother Brain.

Defeated Meta Ridley and Metroid Prime on Tallon IV. Emerged victorious with Space Pirate’s new weapon: the Omega Pirate.

Saved the race of the Luminoth on planet Aether, Exterminated Ing presence.

Various other accounts of Valor and heroism.

Master Chief

Origins: Known to some as John-117. Taken from family as a child and raised at a Military Training Compound on the planet Reach.

Affiliation: United Nations Space Command (UNSC)

Training and acquired skills: Trained at a military base on the planet Reach.

Physically augmented beyond human capabilities through Bioengineering.

Developed keen leadership and problem-solving skills.

Armaments: MJOLNIR Suit: Advanced human all-atmospheric combat armor. Shielding protects against blunt force trauma, minor projectiles, EMP, radiation, and plasma.

Suit augments physical strength.

Microfactory technology to recycle air for 90 minutes for operations in space.

Weapons: Projectile-based MA5B Assault rifle. Fires a 7.62mm Armor-piercing round.

Projectile-based M6D pistol. Fires a 12.7mm semi-armor-piercing, high explosive round.

Tactical: Crystalline-based computer system integrated within suit.

Merits: Saved the human race, and defeated the Covenant war machine.

Various other accounts of Valor and heroism.

Discuss.

[Kal]

Samus would mop the floor with the Chief.

For referrence, the Corruption trailer shows her getting shot by Pirate gunships. A lot of times (the player sucked hardcore).

Now, how many direct hits from those Covenant transports can the Chief take?

Better reference: the Super Missile. Five missiles + charge shot + lock-on. All it takes is one missile and Chief's toast.

[Ramuza]

wow I thought this was my topic from long time ago when I first saw this in here, anyway I vote Samus

[Blaz3]

If we're comparing in an all out fight, remember, Samus has like 10 tanks of 100 health in each, MC has 1 and some armor that altogether ads up to about 50 points of health on Samus' part. Plus Samus can move so much more and her suit looks so much cooler

[Domino]

And did we ever see MC's face?....NO! We saw Samus without a helmet (MPGCN), without the Veria Suit (NES/GBAZM), in the Zero-Suit (GBAZM).......And MC.....Just the Green Hunk of junk he calls Armor...

Samus FTW...WOOT!

[Blaz3]

^ ^ Y'know, thinking about it, MC may just be armor. Or is he actually human? I haven't played Halo yet... I plan on borrowing my friend's Xbox once I'm finished up with all the games on my cube, I just realised how many I haven't actually finished yet, it scares me a bit

[Orbital Fox]

I pick Master Chief, the only reason is because I never got into any Metroid games.

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

I pick Samus Aran because of what OF said vice versa.......

[Inuyasha]

PlasmaSword+Samus=death

It's a true statement.

-Inuyasha

[Kal]

I highly doubt the Chief could survive searing plasma breath from POINT BLANK. Besides, Pirate Troopers in MP1 had plasma swords (kinda).

[Zicka]

Besides' date=' Pirate Troopers in MP1 had plasma swords (kinda).[/quote']

They had Photonic Scythes.

Photonic Scythe > Energy Sword

[Inuyasha]

You can't really compare the two using their respective game mechanics, because it simply doesn't work. Metroid's a bit more forgiving and a bit less realistic than Halo. If you were to apply Metroid mechanics to the Chief, I think he'd fare pretty well against Samus, since his shields recharge after some period of cover. Put Samus into the Chief's mechanics, and she'd probably kill him, farily easily.

However, if you use real-world mechanics (i.e: you can destory the armor, defend with anything, move flexibly), then I think the Chief'd win.

The Energy sword'd definitely be able to cut straight through Samus's armor, and a sniper from any range to the visor of her probably won't be too pretty.

Samus would probably be able to damage his shields a lot with her weaponry, more so with the missiles. However, there's nothing there that's guaranteed to do major damage.

So, it'd probably be an intense, long battle, but I imagine the Chief'd eventually win due to deadlier weaponry.

-Inuyasha

[Master Jal]

Samus would probably be able to damage his shields a lot with her weaponry, more so with the missiles. However, there's nothing there that's guaranteed to do major damage.

-Inuyasha

Shinespark...

Screw Attack...

Power Bomb...

and the fact that Samus can just walk away from Master Chief and he can be running as fast as he can and she will still outrun him

not to mention the speed booster

oh and the Crystal Flash

and the Charge Bomb

[Zicka]

You can't really compare the two using their respective game mechanics, because it simply doesn't work. Metroid's a bit more forgiving and a bit less realistic than Halo.

I'd have to disagree. are you referring to game mechanics as in physics? Metroid Prime's physics engine was quite impressive. Pirates moved rag-doll style realistically when killed.

More forgiving? Have you played Metroid Prime 2? Some of the most hard-core fans wrote to Nintendo complaining that the game was so hard that it was unfinishable.

However, if you use real-world mechanics (i.e: you can destory the armor, defend with anything, move flexibly), then I think the Chief'd win.

The Energy sword'd definitely be able to cut straight through Samus's armor, and a sniper from any range to the visor of her probably won't be too pretty.

Real world mechanics or present day mechanics? I think you are reffering to the latter. Just applying them to newtonian Physics doesn't mean that the armor will be any weaker.

The energy sword and sniper rifle are secondary weapons acquired by other means. If Master Chief can do this, so can Samus. And I don't think He'd be able to withstand a Photonic Scythe or Imperialist.

Samus would probably be able to damage his shields a lot with her weaponry, more so with the missiles. However, there's nothing there that's guaranteed to do major damage.

What about the plasma beam, Ice beam, and missile combos? A fully charged plasma bolt could vaporise solid alloy. And her arm canon is a lot more deadly than any Covenant weapon.

[Inuyasha]

Really? I found Prime 2 to be quite easy. Not too many deaths, not too much time. I think I did Hard mode in, like 8 hours or so. Who're these "hardcore" fans you speak of?

As for mechanics, I hardly mean physiscs engines. Sure, Prime had a good one, but not exaclty for realism. What I mean is the acts that you can do in real life that aren't put into a game, such as the Energy Sword actually cutting into stuff, or the missiles actually blowing apart stuff, or using objects in your environment for cover/offense.

Whoever said anything about weakness? There're no numbers on the true hardness of Samus's armor. However, I'm sure that a Photonic Sythe would, in fact, be able to slice into it. This is the kind of mechanics of which I speak. No matter what time you're in, most forms of concentrated energy will burn away most metals.

Granted, she's got a lot of power in that arsenal of hers. However, you created a scenario of an all-out battle, meaning access to all respective weaponry and tricks. Can you say "Plasma grenades?" Samus rolls into a ball. Alright; stick, grab, throw. Done. Samus is at a large enough range to use the Imperialist effectively. Well...not too sure how that one'd go down. Too many variables there...

My point is, given the all-out scenario, I think the Chief would come out on top. They both have their pros and cons, so I think it'd definitely be close.

-Inuyasha

[Zicka]

Really? I found Prime 2 to be quite easy. Not too many deaths, not too much time. I think I did Hard mode in, like 8 hours or so. Who're these "hardcore" fans you speak of?

Are you telling me, that you didn't have trouble with the boost guardian?

Evidently there was enough complaints, to make Retro Studios tone down the difficulty for the next game.

As for mechanics, I hardly mean physiscs engines. Sure, Prime had a good one, but not exaclty for realism. What I mean is the acts that you can do in real life that aren't put into a game, such as the Energy Sword actually cutting into stuff, or the missiles actually blowing apart stuff, or using objects in your environment for cover/offense.

Other than boxes, crates, and a few select objects, I don't think either games are to environmentally interactive, This isn't Red Faction we're talking about.

Whoever said anything about weakness? There're no numbers on the true hardness of Samus's armor. However, I'm sure that a Photonic Sythe would, in fact, be able to slice into it. This is the kind of mechanics of which I speak. No matter what time you're in, most forms of concentrated energy will burn away most metals.

Yeah, but that's where shields come in. And Samus' reserves can withstand a lot more than Chiefy.

Granted, she's got a lot of power in that arsenal of hers. However, you created a scenario of an all-out battle, meaning access to all respective weaponry and tricks. Can you say "Plasma grenades?" Samus rolls into a ball. Alright; stick, grab, throw. Done. Samus is at a large enough range to use the Imperialist effectively. Well...not too sure how that one'd go down. Too many variables there...

As stated before, The Shinespark, Screw Attack, and Power Bomb are the holy trinity of videogame carnage.

My point is, given the all-out scenario, I think the Chief would come out on top. They both have their pros and cons, so I think it'd definitely be close.

If Chief can use anything from his games. Then so can Samus

[Inuyasha]

I had a bit of trouble with the Boost Guardian the first couple of times, until I figured out a strategy that worked best. I never had a problem with it again.

And I'm not talking about game interactivity. I'm talking realistically. Realistically, Samus could use a metal plate on the floor as a shield, or throw it as a distraction/weapon. Same goes for the Chief.

Granted, Samus has more shields, but they don't REGENERATE, do they? If the Chief takes cover for long enough, he can recover his shields. Samus doesn't have that advantage. If you insist on Samus with full shields, then the Chief should get regenerating overshields.

As I said, I think it'd be a heated, long battle, but that ultimately the Chief'd win.

-Inuyasha

[Kal]

His shields don't recover instantaneously. Samus only has to catch him outside of cover for a few seconds (slightly longer with the Overshield) with any array of her homing weapons and he's almost assuredly dead. The beauty of Samus' non-rechargeable shields is that there's a LOT of them. Unless Samus has virtually no upgrades, she should be able to outlast the Chief.

I'd also like to point out (like others already have) that Shinespark, Screw Attack, and Powerbomb are made of win. And flashy-flashy to boot.

[Inuyasha]

Obviously, I can't win here. You realize, though, that both arguments have their flaws. Sure, Samus has a lot of shields, but in a real-world setting, what does that mean against, say, a rocket launcher? Or a plasma grenade?

The inherent flaw is that both games decided to do damage on a different basis, both unrealistic. Samus, for example, has no outer shield like the chief does. Does that mean that they're inside the armor somewhere, or perhaps a part of the armor? It's never been stated.

The Chief, as another example, should in fact take LESS damage than the game shows. That armor is supposed to weigh in at 4 tons. How is a Floodling, exploding at, what, 4 psi, going to damage that, much less EAT through it? Moreover, a bullet to armor that thick would probably deal far less damage than the game proposes.

The point is, both games feature unrealistic battle systems, to a certain extent, and my perspective on taking it into a real-world setting says that the Chief'd make it out on top.

Screw attack? Dodgable. Proximity. A well-placed grenade'd deal critical damage at the least. Power Bomb? Well...in truth, I fail to understand how Samus survives it to begin with. It makes no sense.

The fact is, in a real-world settings, you have more than shields to worry about. Obviously, a plasma sword to anything'd slice clean through it, unlike the game portrays. You'd also have the option of hurling it at an opponent. In a real-world setting, there're many more variables than a game can reasonably factor in without either ruining itself or overcomplicating things. Samus could simply beat the crap out of stuff with whatever limbs she chooses to use. She could also dodge in all directions.

Remember: what you've got here is an all-out, all-arsenal battle between two divinely skilled futuristic warriors. Either game fails completely to show the true skill of either combatant. I understand that my taking it into a real-world setting is somewhat based on opinions and observations, but that's due to the lack of, to be frank, irrelevant facts. Bungie didn't care to explain how the Floodlings in Halo can kill you. It's simply not relevant to the gaming experience, much like how Samus can survive a PB explosion while being clearly within the death-radius. In fact, inclusion of such mechanics'd bog down the game. It wouldn't be as fun. Why would you bother with Floodlings if they don't kill you? Why would you use the PB in closed areas if it can kill you? It's just, well, annoying.

My entire perspective is that, given a REAL battle between the two (not REALISTIC, as that implies some unreal elements), there'd probably be much destruction and time attributed to it, but that, in the end, the Chief'd make it out on top.

-Inuyasha

[Guest CoachLombardi]

This seems awfully reminiscent of a Fox McCloud vs. Samus Aran poll on AL (and now that I think about it, was started at around the same time).

I say Samus, if for nothing more than familiarity.

[Zicka]

Obviously, I can't win here. You realize, though, that both arguments have their flaws. Sure, Samus has a lot of shields, but in a real-world setting, what does that mean against, say, a rocket launcher? Or a plasma grenade?

I'd imagine they would be able to stand up against concussive trauma or extreme heat. The shield could be electromagnetic or even gravimetric in nature, so it would only depend on how much power her suit could generate to maintain the shield.

The inherent flaw is that both games decided to do damage on a different basis, both unrealistic. Samus, for example, has no outer shield like the chief does. Does that mean that they're inside the armor somewhere, or perhaps a part of the armor? It's never been stated.

Chozo Armor is much more refined than MJOLNIR armor. Just because you can't see it fizz when it gets hit dosen't mean it's not there. Several canon sources state that the visible distortion seen when Samus aquires the Phazon suit is, in fact, from the enhanced shielding.

The Chief, as another example, should in fact take LESS damage than the game shows. That armor is supposed to weigh in at 4 tons. How is a Floodling, exploding at, what, 4 psi, going to damage that, much less EAT through it? Moreover, a bullet to armor that thick would probably deal far less damage than the game proposes.

You know for a canon fact that they explode at 4 psi? And I don't think all of that weight is in armor alone.

Screw attack? Dodgable. Proximity. A well-placed grenade'd deal critical damage at the least. Power Bomb? Well...in truth, I fail to understand how Samus survives it to begin with. It makes no sense.

If the screw attack is dodgeable, then a simple grenade lobbed in her direction is most assuredly dodgeable.

[Jaith]

Samus hands down, Chozo technology is far more advanced then Halo Human technology even if some of it is pirated Covenant tech (Energy Sheilds). She might not have experiance weilding various different types of weaponry like the cheif...but when you have an arm cannon which can be fully upgraded to a weapon of pure destruction, The screw attack is perfectly named because..if your hit with it your screwed, coupled with the space jump (side scroller varient) she could infinately jump while attacking continiously, considering the screw attack plows through most material with ease... also her manuverablilty is far greater then the cheif's with the morph ball and ect.... also she's delt with Snipers before... (Trace) also Samus could use her grappling beam to rip any of the cheif's weapons out of his hands

but all in all.. why would Samus and the Cheif fight anyways... unless the setting was Hunters... in which it's everyone for themselves! I mean even the good guys try to ice you in that game... (With Noxus...very literally)

[Leo K. Lighthouse]

*Hits the person using "Inu Yasha" as a username over the head with a tree limb for being stupid, i.e. not being able to come up with a name, and then refuse to show the character traits of the stolen character, and for supporting the lesser party.

Then *hits Zicka over the head with a tree limb for making this thread, causing Forum Drama!

Obviously, I can't win here. You realize, though, that both arguments have their flaws. Sure, Samus has a lot of shields, but in a real-world setting, what does that mean against, say, a rocket launcher? Or a plasma grenade?

Ya' rockets that are much less likely to hit directly, with 90% less Ammo, and are half as explosive as the ones Samus can fire!

[Zicka]

*slices Leo K. with a photonic scythe, just beacuse he can.*

Death to the Hunter! Death to ALL who oppose us!

[Leo K. Lighthouse]

*Blocks with shield

Hey I'm not the one siding with Inu Yasha, whos character isn't known for his intelligence, he who I also know to be the guy who tried to modify pong...

also didn't Master chief go into some sort of hibernation before Halo2, does that mean his suit is outdated?

...

I'd seriously like to know...

But have you even looked at the poll results I mean 15% your losing this battle.