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[Guest DRL]

I'm sure I've seen some on here

Correct... I remeber the one where

Fox is parodied and says "Doo-dee-do" or

like that for everything he sees on the ground...

[Dermot]

Ahh, but not the famous VG Cats #222: NSFH, Not Safe For Humanity?

[Kursed]

Yeah, but problem is, they can fake their age and say they are 18 , it happens everywhere (even here). I'm really with you on this, and I would love to bend the rules to accommodate a side of this forum for other needs  (as long as it's strictly artistic), but DZ and Mr Krystal don't really want to risk with this, and I'm the keeper of their rules, so, for now, we are limited on what we can do with semi-nude art.

Personnly i don't want this place to even have a 18+ Art forum....Then we'd just be this one Krystal site.....keep the place as it is don't copy another site.

[Dermot]

Still, it's a great pity.  I'm turning 30 next month.  18 was a long time ago, and I've had nearly 12 years since then.  At my age, 18 is young.  Even 21 is young.  Stuff like Adult Swim seems juvenile to me (they target college-age people).  But it's also not like I'm elderly either - I was 12 (though nearly 13) when I played the first game.  Still, the longer I live, the harder it is to think like a child, especially when today's children are increasingly different from my own childhood.  I wish I could openly discuss Star Fox stuff the way (relatively) matured late-20-something adults do.  I want children reasonably protected, but the gap between me and them keeps getting wider.  But I still like Star Fox - it's remained one of my most lasting interests for 17 years.  I mean, maybe not on Nintendo 64 or with Krystal, but Star Fox has been hugely influential to me.  It has been to me what Star Wars has been for my older siblings (the eldest of which is turning 40 next month too).

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Still, it's a great pity.  I'm turning 30 next month.  18 was a long time ago, and I've had nearly 12 years since then.  At my age, 18 is young.  Even 21 is young.  Stuff like Adult Swim seems juvenile to me (they target college-age people).  But it's also not like I'm elderly either - I was 12 (though nearly 13) when I played the first game.  Still, the longer I live, the harder it is to think like a child, especially when today's children are increasingly different from my own childhood.  I wish I could openly discuss Star Fox stuff the way (relatively) matured late-20-something adults do.  I want children reasonably protected, but the gap between me and them keeps getting wider.  But I still like Star Fox - it's remained one of my most lasting interests for 17 years.  I mean, maybe not on Nintendo 64 or with Krystal, but Star Fox has been hugely influential to me.  It has been to me what Star Wars has been for my older siblings (the eldest of which is turning 40 next month too).

Damn, you're turning 30 next month!?

We're gonna start callin' you grampa (just kidding!).

I don't wanna turn 30, I'd rather be put down "Old Yeller" style at 29.

Nut I agree with you on your feelings for Star Fox.

As for the policy on fanart, it's your website DZ...

So many damn parents wanna blame others for their kids "debauchery", be it scapegoating TV, the internet (easiest to blame), rather than own up to the fact that THEY the parents are responsible for their kids, not the internet, not TV, or anything like that.

Classical art is nude, although lots of white-bread wiener puritans whine about that....

[Kursed]

to be completly honest Dermont nothing has changed 200 years ago teen agers were doing teh same thing they are now. the methods may have changed but the general attitude has not.

[Dermot]

I suppose, Kursed.  Maybe it's not that they're changing - I'm the one who's changing.  For some adults it means moving on from their old interests.  But some adults remain interested for decades, for whatever reasons they have.  That interest almost never has exactly the same form as it used to have, though.

Anyway, the past couple of posts or so I haven't even been thinking about "nude art", etc.  I've been thinking of how a fan community can appropriately recognize its increasing age diversity (and their increasingly maturing interests) in a realistic manner that does not increasingly alienate the oldest fans.  Remember, mature doesn't automatically equal porno - it means topics that are better understood by people who have matured with years - including but not limited to adult-oriented topics.  (Actually, a lot of stuff labeled "mature" seems more juvenile in its appeal.  Porno, toilet humor, ultraviolent video games, etc.  People who are actually mature are probably not going to be as obsessed with that. X3)

Come to think of it, the Star Fox characters have been aged too.  Probably not as fast as we have, but technically Fox should be about 31 and Falco about 32 by now. X3 I mean, they weren't increased in age between 1993 and 1997, but Star Fox 64 was technically a reboot...  Which also means they're probably 35 and 36 according to the 1993 continuum if they've kept aging at our speed. XD

[Guest FoXXX]

I suppose, Kursed.  Maybe it's not that they're changing - I'm the one who's changing.  For some adults it means moving on from their old interests.  But some adults remain interested for decades, for whatever reasons they have.  That interest almost never has exactly the same form as it used to have, though.

Anyway, the past couple of posts or so I haven't even been thinking about "nude art", etc.  I've been thinking of how a fan community can appropriately recognize its increasing age diversity (and their increasingly maturing interests) in a realistic manner that does not increasingly alienate the oldest fans.  Remember, mature doesn't automatically equal porno - it means topics that are better understood by people who have matured with years - including but not limited to adult-oriented topics.  (Actually, a lot of stuff labeled "mature" seems more juvenile in its appeal.  Porno, toilet humor, ultraviolent video games, etc.  People who are actually mature are probably not going to be as obsessed with that. X3)

Come to think of it, the Star Fox characters have been aged too.  Probably not as fast as we have, but technically Fox should be about 31 and Falco about 32 by now. X3 I mean, they weren't increased in age between 1993 and 1997, but Star Fox 64 was technically a reboot...  Which also means they're probably 35 and 36 according to the 1993 continuum if they've kept aging at our speed. XD

Agreed

[Steve]

Personnly i don't want this place to even have a 18+ Art forum....Then we'd just be this one Krystal site.....keep the place as it is don't copy another site.

Even if nothing will change, I still have to say this, well done nude art =/= porn. If we, by ANY remote chance in 10000 years(more like an assumption) have an art subforum for mature (aka= nude, no porn) art, then I will probably suggest it to be an invite only subforum, in order to keep people that will use it for perverted means or just go "olololol boob" restricted. Just watch DZ or Mr Krystal say "no nudity period"  pretty soon  :P

[DZComposer]

Hey, I'd love to create a subforum that would be entirely censorship-free (save for spam and trolling), but as a community we have decided that we do not want to do that.

I understand your feelings about adult-oriented material, and even share some of them, but we've set this place up to be an all-ages community.

If the community were supportive of an adult section, I'd do it without hesitation, but the community doesn't want it, and I am not inclined to force things like that down on the community if they don't want it.

Every once in a while, I ask the community if I can open a politics, philosophy, and religion board, and even that get a no.

I suppose a new SFO Network site could be created as an adult-oriented community (IE a seperate SMF install for ClassicStarFox), but we'll see.