Calling all Assault fans.

["User"]

LOL. Corruption? The hell, this isn't an election, and there are three answers: the positive, the neutral and the negative. How is that "stacked"?

I think he might be referring to the way the question was worded. Myself, I would have taken the "key" out of the question and thus asked if she was relevant or at least had a "decent" role in the plot - not a critical one because that's a slanted wording. No one in their right mind would argue that Krystal had a "critical role" in the plot of Assault or the other games she was in.

Yeah Milky can chill out on the topics but come on, the "some people don't like Krystal" butthurt is hanging out all over the place. Also not sure where you got your numbers there User considering from my end I only see three votes giving Krystal an absolute yes.

I was referring more so to the number of votes that were an absolute no. I did however mess up with the total number of votes at the time which was 18 (not sure how I read that as 20) so 8 of the 18 votes (at the time) listed Krystal as at having at least some value to the game - which, as already stated, is how IMO the poll question should have been worded to be more "neutral".

I just like how whenever this is brought up the Krystal fans start insulting Milky instead of like, answering his question.

This is typical furry fanboyism for you. In most questions concerning her role/importance/etc I don't like making a big huge fuss over it because I know if I attempted to 95% of the time I'll end up looking like a fool in a losing argument because I would know beforehand it's pretty unwinnable. Smart people don't enter arguments they have virtually no chance of winning.

[Robert Monroe]

>mfw people don't argue with me over krystal anymore.

OH HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

[Drasiana]

I think he might be referring to the way the question was worded. Myself, I would have taken the "key" out of the question and thus asked if she was relevant or at least had a "decent" role in the plot - not a critical one because that's a slanted wording. No one in their right mind would argue that Krystal had a "critical role" in the plot of Assault or the other games she was in.

I was referring more so to the number of votes that were an absolute no. I did however mess up with the total number of votes at the time which was 18 (not sure how I read that as 20) so 8 of the 18 votes (at the time) listed Krystal as at having at least some value to the game - which, as already stated, is how IMO the poll question should have been worded to be more "neutral".

Yeah see I fail to see how the question "Was Krystal useful to the plot?" with 2/3 of the answers including the word "yes" is somehow biased against her. It's Milky's question and he'll ask it, obviously your answer was the neutral answer and, golly gosh, that's what the answer's there for. Despite "no one in their right mind" arguing that she was a crucial character, it still seems like a darned few of them are indeed making that argument...I mean, if we're still slinging around poll results as an argument.

You're sitting there saying that the black-and-white question of "Did this character effect the plot" should be worded less harshly...to avoid bias. Think about what you're asking for a moment. Krystal adding something as intangible as "value" is a far different question than the "did she effect the plot, y/n" question being presented here.

Nice pulling the "ohoho, that's furry fanboys [totally not me]" card too considering you were in part one of those I directed that last post to :P

[myu]

She didn't do anything for the plot, no. As has been stated, she didn't need to be in Assault, but I guess they wanted some T&A that wasn't Katt. In Adventures (since the question says EITHER game's), not really. She's pretty much still just T&A and is supposed to motivate Fox to get shit done - which he would have done anyway to get paid lol. She was just a perk.

Not to piss anyone off or anything, but Falco is on the same level as her in Assault, plot-wise. He doesn't add anything to the story either, yet no one complains about that. As far as I've seen anyway.

[Psygonis]

+1 Myu for the last paragraph! But I think no one complains because he's no T&A (if I understood correctly what you meant), so it's fine if he's useless, fandom-wise. :P

[myu]

Lol maybe. I've seen enough fan art to know that there are plenty of people who view him the same way as someone might view Krystal. I think it might be because he's been in the games so long. His presence didn't interrupt things and throw whatever balance there was off kilter.

[Psygonis]

Well, yeah, Falco's been in the series all along. But either a franchise has to begin its existence with a complete universe, either at some point, it's fresh/needed to have some new characters...

Truth is Krystal, as a pilot, should have replaced Peppy, but in Assault, Peppy is still very present in the Comm'box. He never let go!

And aside the "Hum, I feel a signal from Sauria", as a telepath, she should have been more... How to say, magic Peppy-like. A strange thing tough is that in the first mission, on Fortuna, she kinda begins to be, when she says "Such strange thoughts patterns" when the Aparoid pops up. You know, like she analysed it. And then... Nothing. Which is strange... And too bad for her actually... :P

[Drasiana]

Falco saves Fox from the wayward security sentries on Fichina. He also has a definitive role on the team, which Krystal does not.

[Kab_49]

If I might add to this, I find Krystal's overall track record quite under par, to the point of being completely useless, if not more of a nuisance. This extend even beyond Assault.

StarFox Adventures: Because of Krystal, a certain baddy is able to revive himself in an attempt to once again pwn the Lylat System.

StarFox Assault: She has the flight skills of Slippy and is primarily responsible for the fall of Corneria.

StarFox Command: She's pretty much acting like an angsty teen who either finds a new boytoy, submits to Fox, or goes overly emo. Sometimes two out of the three. She also defends Andross, a pretty lame move on her part.

Her only successes have been what... collecting a single Krazoa Spirit, which by the way was a test that only required an IQ of about 70? Compared to all other team mates, Peppy saves General Pepper, opens the Aparoid Homeworld force field, and taught us the valuable skills of barrel rolling. Slippy, while causing trouble in Sector X and Titania, and predominately anywhere else, did develop the Blue Marine, and was a huge help at times in Adventures. Falco scouted the Attack Carrier on Corneria and helped Fox save the Lylat System last minute during Adventures, along with the security drones on Fichina.

I know this is suppose to be looking at her role in Assault, but even then... there isn't much to save her. Her only redeeming quality is being blue. : |

[Robert Monroe]

Falco saves Fox from the wayward security sentries on Fichina. He also has a definitive role on the team, which Krystal does not.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and play Devil's Advocate. Falco's role here could have been filled in by any number of other characters. Sure, its a weak argument, but you did say that Krystal's picking up the Sauria distress signal could have been done by the Greatfox itself. By this logic, any character who has an arbitrary "scene of importance" can be replaced by someone else and the plot stays unchanged.

[Sabre]

LOL. Corruption? The hell, this isn't an election, and there are three answers: the positive, the neutral and the negative. How is that "stacked"? Yeah Milky can chill out on the topics but come on, the "some people don't like Krystal" butthurt is hanging out all over the place. Also not sure where you got your numbers there User considering from my end I only see three votes giving Krystal an absolute yes. I just like how whenever this is brought up the Krystal fans start insulting Milky instead of like, answering his question.

I think the reason no one is answering, or at least giving an in depth one, is because they are either sick of this topic or left. Milky accusses me of being stuborn, and yet here he is once again bringing this topic up despite being thourghly ripped appart. I could give a multi paragraph answer, or hunt through the archives for the old threads, but what's the point? A month or 2 later he will bring it up again as if the previous times never happened. I'll leave it to you to guess his motives, but this topic has been done to death.

[Thu'um]

this pole says krystal was completely pointless, and while krystal can't claim to have importance of slippy, another pilot always helps. Then to istantly asume thats she's slippy level of a pilot is wrong. To prove so, she was only trailed as much as falco was.

on Fichina she did try to keep flaco and slippy clam, and assured them that rushing into the storm wouldn't help fox, and that they need to trust him to get what need done.

In adventrues her predicament didn't really help her, but if you were observitve she might have been helping the ressitance fight scales. After all a prisoner of scales, a rebel knew her.

In the astriod belt, she warned you what apariod pigma was planing ( gaint friendship beem of oblideration) which was more then helpful the first time.

She also was usful in understanding just what the apariods were. Telling you that the whole structer on the home plaent was an apariod itself.

[Wes]

Krystal is hot, therefore essential to Assault's plot.

[sjrathbun812]

As usual Krystal topics drag on and on with long and boring posts about a boring topic. :P

[Xortberg]

Yep. I'm gonna blow some people's minds here and agree with Sabre. This topic has been done to death, and Milky just won't drop it despite the fact that it never goes anywhere and it never will :/

[Psygonis]

Krystal troller is trolling... :P

[Drasiana]

Yeah, it has been done to death completely and I'm not sure why Milky's bringing it up AGAIN, but whatever. Not exactly losing sleep over whether or not someone likes a cartoon fox, it's just for kicks more than anything.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and play Devil's Advocate. Falco's role here could have been filled in by any number of other characters. Sure, its a weak argument, but you did say that Krystal's picking up the Sauria distress signal could have been done by the Greatfox itself. By this logic, any character who has an arbitrary "scene of importance" can be replaced by someone else and the plot stays unchanged.

Falco doing what he did, though, could be tied back into his function on the team AS WELL as his gameplay function. He is the Ace Pilot; he is expected to be a better pilot and marksman than the rest of the team. So I could believe him diving in to save Fox in such a rediculous stunt over, say, Slippy, because it's directly related to his role and it's an established trait of his character. Sure, Krystal's "telepath" role is also related to the Sauria thing but it has no gameplay importance. There is a reason it HAS to be Falco saving Fox in that situation because it's an established part of his function and character, but there is no reason it HAS to be Krystal picking up the distress signal.

this pole says krystal was completely pointless, and while krystal can't claim to have importance of slippy, another pilot always helps. Then to istantly asume thats she's slippy level of a pilot is wrong. To prove so, she was only trailed as much as falco was.

One of the answers in the three-question poll says she is useless. Sorry if you're so butthurt that any indication she's anything other than perfect equates to everything ever saying that she's useless. I assume she's a crappy pilot because she's done nothing to prove otherwise, and her multiplayer stats prove that the developers think she's about as talented as we do.

on Fichina she did try to keep flaco and slippy clam, and assured them that rushing into the storm wouldn't help fox, and that they need to trust him to get what need done.

Disregarding the way you seem to be indicating Krystal's efforts to turn Falco and Slippy into a shellfish, this still has absolutely no bearing on the gameplay. The only thing that helped in that level was when Falco DID rush into the storm to help Fox...so if anything, Krystal was directly impeding him.

In adventrues her predicament didn't really help her, but if you were observitve she might have been helping the ressitance fight scales. After all a prisoner of scales, a rebel knew her.

"Might have been"? No. The intro scrawl itself says she followed a distress signal to Sauria, and the CloudRunner told her that Scales was evil. Sure she poked around a bit but she didn't really do anything. Are you talking about the CloudRunner that referred to her later? Yeah, it was the same guy from the beginning. One dude happening to know who she is doesn't exactly meen she's queen of the rebel forces.

In the astriod belt, she warned you what apariod pigma was planing ( gaint friendship beem of oblideration) which was more then helpful the first time.

So she told us that "there's a boss in this level and he might try to hurt you". Gosh, that's helpful.

She also was usful in understanding just what the apariods were. Telling you that the whole structer on the home plaent was an apariod itself.

That wasn't useful at all. We already knew about the hivemind and how to kill them from characters that WERE NOT Krystal. There was nothing deep and profound in that one throwaway line, and it did not send the plot in a different direction.

[Sabre]

Yep. I'm gonna blow some people's minds here and agree with Sabre. This topic has been done to death, and Milky just won't drop it despite the fact that it never goes anywhere and it never will

Crap, I changed my mind, I think that Milky is right ... No, wait, Xort is ... I've been tricked. Blast you golden children! You win this round, but I shall return!

[Milkyway64]

Milky accusses me of being stuborn,

You are.

and yet here he is once again bringing this topic up despite being thourghly ripped appart.

I have?

I could give a multi paragraph answer, or hunt through the archives for the old threads, but what's the point? A month or 2 later he will bring it up again as if the previous times never happened. I'll leave it to you to guess his motives, but this topic has been done to death.

Do it. Oh wait nvm, this is another instance of you blowing your hot air and getting nowhere with it. -Again.-

[Thu'um]

One of the answers in the three-question poll says she is useless. Sorry if you're so butthurt that any indication she's anything other than perfect equates to everything ever saying that she's useless. I assume she's a crappy pilot because she's done nothing to prove otherwise, and her multiplayer stats prove that the developers think she's about as talented as we do.

Disregarding the way you seem to be indicating Krystal's efforts to turn Falco and Slippy into a shellfish, this still has absolutely no bearing on the gameplay. The only thing that helped in that level was when Falco DID rush into the storm to help Fox...so if anything, Krystal was directly impeding him.

"Might have been"? No. The intro scrawl itself says she followed a distress signal to Sauria, and the CloudRunner told her that Scales was evil. Sure she poked around a bit but she didn't really do anything. Are you talking about the CloudRunner that referred to her later? Yeah, it was the same guy from the beginning. One dude happening to know who she is doesn't exactly meen she's queen of the rebel forces.

So she told us that "there's a boss in this level and he might try to hurt you". Gosh, that's helpful.

That wasn't useful at all. We already knew about the hivemind and how to kill them from characters that WERE NOT Krystal. There was nothing deep and profound in that one throwaway line, and it did not send the plot in a different direction.

Muyplayer is a horable reffrence, becaus then wolf and falco are better pilots then fox, and slippy is a monster in the landmaster.

she my have not proven her self an ace pilot but neither had falco, and she aprently did just aswell as him.

No, she if u had listened to slippy , they were unable to fly their arwings in the blizared. Falco however wanted to rush out into the storm the seconed he didn't get a reply from fox, and slippy, was to no suprise, was being slippy. Krystal kept falco from flying out into the storm and kiling himself and was trying to keep slippy calm, while keeping a lvel head herself.

Lol, remember pigma's altra attack that totals you pretty bad, she warned you somthing was up, and that helped a ton first time fighting that boss.

[myu]

Not really. If I remember correctly, you can see for yourself when Pigma is charging up for that attack and, obviously, you'll want to move out of the way. If anything, Krystal shouting, "LOOK OUT" or whatever she says is just a distraction from dodging the beam.

Clearly Krystal is a secret evil mastermind, who seduced her way into Star Fox and of course, Fox is blinded by all the T&A. Next Star Fox game: Krystal is the villain and wants to create a new Cerinia. To do this she must first destroy Lylat or something.

[Thu'um]

Not really. If I remember correctly, you can see for yourself when Pigma is charging up for that attack and, obviously, you'll want to move out of the way. If anything, Krystal shouting, "LOOK OUT" or whatever she says is just a distraction from dodging the beam.

Clearly Krystal is a secret evil mastermind, who seduced her way into Star Fox and of course, Fox is blinded by all the T&A. Next Star Fox game: Krystal is the villain and wants to create a new Cerinia. To do this she must first destroy Lylat or something.

yes because thats the only legitament answer

[myu]

If you're referring to my second paragraph, I was being sarcastic.

[Drasiana]

Muyplayer is a horable reffrence, becaus then wolf and falco are better pilots then fox, and slippy is a monster in the landmaster.

Falco is the Ace Pilot and Wolf is his rival, to set them at a higher skill level than him is not only outlandish but it actually paints his character better, as he has more odds to overcome as the hero instead of magically being better than everyone.

she my have not proven her self an ace pilot but neither had falco, and she aprently did just aswell as him.

Except she didn't? She was chased as much as Slippy, not Falco (though apparently in the Japanese version it was actually Slippy being chased in place of her, so the Americanization made her more pathetic for some god unknown reason) and Falco had a higher kill count...because he's the "ace". Try again.

No, she if u had listened to slippy , they were unable to fly their arwings in the blizared. Falco however wanted to rush out into the storm the seconed he didn't get a reply from fox, and slippy, was to no suprise, was being slippy. Krystal kept falco from flying out into the storm and kiling himself and was trying to keep slippy calm, while keeping a lvel head herself.

Except, again, the only thing that was accomplished was Falco NOT LISTENING TO HER and barging in to save Fox. You have some real dissonance in interpreting cause and effect, something you and Krystal certainly have in common. And if all you can cite is one instance in one battle where her shouting "Look out" (something I found distracting, because again, it's pretty easy to figure out the bosses without her) maybe sort of helped you, that doesn't help. Especially considering Falco or Slippy could have easily said the same.

[King of the Shrooms]

but this topic has been done to death.

i love how this line is here while AJC and Dras are going at it =P

i'd say that it's quit a lively topic as it stands