Eliotes Team Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'd like to know what is the story of James Mccloud according to the official storyline. If he is dead or not because in a level of Starfox 64,I think, James helps his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Official storyline (SF64) is that his fighter was taken down in Venom during the last Starfox (Sr.) team mission, because of Pigma. He would have survived, got captured by venomian forces and tortured by Andross (and Leon/Star Wolf?) and then... we don't know. It was years before happenings of SF64 so it's hard to tell. Would James have been kept (barely) alive all these years? Nothing tells about it. It is a consensus that the apparition of James at the end of SF64's hard Venom level is a kind of mental image of James, materializing his desperate instincts of piloting survival, and the victory over Andross that took his father away. This is more or less confirmed by Falco's comment against the Aparoid Queen in SFAssault "But Fox, you know your father is..." and Fox's in SFC when he says Dash he's not responsible for his father's death. So well... Think what you want, but I think he's officially considered as dead at least! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliotes Team Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Thank you very much Psygonis. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 very arguable topic, honestly know one knows what happened other then andross, and many speculate he is floating around in some other dimension like in the original star fox preposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 SF SNES storyline is de facto non-canon, since SF64 is an official remake of it... So these who speculate such things are just wrong. I mean... Andross, during his torture-happy time *could* have had James ending up that way, but that's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 SF SNES storyline is de facto non-canon, since SF64 is an official remake of it... So these who speculate such things are just wrong. I mean... Andross, during his torture-happy time *could* have had James ending up that way, but that's unlikely. true it is uncannon, but we still don't no what andross did so you can't rule out the black hole, it might even make sense of fox's seeing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Huh... No, in any way you put it, there is no making sense in seeing someone that has been thrown in a black hole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. N Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 And that's why folks, we should wait for Nintendo to make another Starfox game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos_Leader Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 . . . James McCloud. You know, I'm writing an entire ginormous backstory, the main purpose of which is to speculatively fill in huge gaping blanks in the cannon like James McCloud. Officially, we don't know, and that's probably what the game developers had in mind. Unofficially, it's anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TCPeppyTc Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 He's probably dead. @chaos I read part of your story and its looking good. Do you ahve planned just what Peppy did after he excaped? Did he raise fox ro jsut work at Cornerian flight acadamy until time to be part of SF? Did Fox have to persuade him several times to join again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 "Upon their arrival, Pigma betrayed the team and James and Peppy were captured by Andross. Peppy barely escaped Venom and returned home to tell James' son, Fox, about his father's fate." Is the extent of what happened to James that is explicit in the Canon. Cheats?! And still lost the Wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 As to whether hes still dead or alive, id like to quote a buddy of mine, Scourgeclaw, on the matter. He also states why if he's alive we haven't seen him. *ahem* "I have to disagree on that last part there. Just because he isnt around anymore dosent mean he abandoned anyone. Personally its my belief that hes just watching from the shadows, guiding the team when he can and showing up at the last second in the event things go screwy. He hasnt really resurfaced because there isnt a need for him to be there anymore, Fox is doing fine without him, Lylat has a new protector, and everyone's already signed him off as dead or MIA." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 "I have to disagree on that last part there. Just because he isnt around anymore dosent mean he abandoned anyone. Personally its my belief that hes just watching from the shadows, guiding the team when he can and showing up at the last second in the event things go screwy. He hasnt really resurfaced because there isnt a need for him to be there anymore, Fox is doing fine without him, Lylat has a new protector, and everyone's already signed him off as dead or MIA." This is goofy. James is Fox's dad and implicitly Peppy's best friend. He escapes death at the hands of Andross and decides not to show up and let everyone know he's okay and decidedly not-dead? Even if Fox is "Lylat's New Protector", all that means for James is showing up and going "hey son don't cry I'm totally fine, now let's go look at some retirement homes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I didnt exactly iron out the details when i wrote that at first, but theres a valid point in there somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos_Leader Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 @chaos I read part of your story and its looking good. Do you ahve planned just what Peppy did after he excaped? Did he raise fox ro jsut work at Cornerian flight acadamy until time to be part of SF? Did Fox have to persuade him several times to join again? Again: read the story. I appreciate your enthusiasm and feedback, I really do, but let's keep these exchanges on the story's respective SFO page http://starfox-onlin...gacy-volume-ii/ or on its FF.net page using the review function provided http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7334279/1/Star_Fox_Legacy_Volume_II "I have to disagree on that last part there. Just because he isnt around anymore dosent mean he abandoned anyone. Personally its my belief that hes just watching from the shadows, guiding the team when he can and showing up at the last second in the event things go screwy. He hasnt really resurfaced because there isnt a need for him to be there anymore, Fox is doing fine without him, Lylat has a new protector, and everyone's already signed him off as dead or MIA." This is goofy. James is Fox's dad and implicitly Peppy's best friend. He escapes death at the hands of Andross and decides not to show up and let everyone know he's okay and decidedly not-dead? Even if Fox is "Lylat's New Protector", all that means for James is showing up and going "hey son don't cry I'm totally fine, now let's go look at some retirement homes". Well, I'll just say that stranger things have been written and published, and made popular. There are reasons why someone would not want to reveal that they are fine and healthy. Oftentimes this manifests itself as a dark secret that, if revealed to the world, would completely unravel the peace/solace that has been fought so hard for. I don't want to go into any further details here, because this is actually one of the bigger reasons I want to write Legacy, and I'd rather not spoil major plot points if I can help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 There are reasons why someone would not want to reveal that they are fine and healthy. Oftentimes this manifests itself as a dark secret that, if revealed to the world, would completely unravel the peace/solace that has been fought so hard for. I don't want to go into any further details here, because this is actually one of the bigger reasons I want to write Legacy, and I'd rather not spoil major plot points if I can help it. Yeah but there's absolutely no reason to believe James has "dark secrets". It's fine for fanon, but as far as assumptions on the canon? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos_Leader Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yeah but there's absolutely no reason to believe James has "dark secrets". It's fine for fanon, but as far as assumptions on the canon? No. Absolutely not, of course. I am merely saying that there are circumstances under which seemingly "bizarre" happenings fall into place and make sense. The question of what exactly happened to James McCloud is one of these "bizarre" happenings. And actually, I can and have thought up more than a few reasons for James to have "dark secrets" which fit right into the confirmed cannon, as haphazard and disorganized as the cannon is. The published cannon answer to this question however is left deliberately open ended. Assumptions from us the fans are precisely what is supposed to be there. He's dead. He's alive. He has a dark secret. He's just chillin'. These are all perfectly acceptable answers; whatever the individual fan wants to believe in their mind. We can squabble and debate and rip each others' heads off about what Jame's fate ought to be 'till Hell freezes over, but until Nintendo publishes something that gives a definite answer to this question, all answers are valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 "Cannon" and "canon" are not the same word. Just gonna throw that up there. And who's "ripping each other's heads off"? I asked why that particular theory made any ounce of sense given the canonical storyline, something the theorizer himself wasn't entirely sure of. The OP, by the way, clearly requests information on James' disappearance "according to the official storyline". As far as James' fate, though, given the small amount of character arc there is in Lylat Wars, James' purpose dead or alive has been fulfilled. Fox is the new leader of Star Fox, and has successfully followed in his father's footsteps. He is James' replacement, and being that the story started with James absent, there is currently no reason to bring him back to life. Keeping him dead "trims the fat", so to speak, and reviving him would only go back on one of the only completed arcs of the series. He ~could~ be alive, but there's really no reason for him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 @ Chaos. I will drop this topic soon, but I notice iny our fanfic, Peppy and Pigma are not yet introduced, only James? You only have 4 parts done with volume 2. Are you still working on them, or have not yet uploaded? If not, then that is just the reason I asked. Take you time though, And thanks for writing a good fan fic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 @ Chaos. I will drop this topic soon, but I notice iny our fanfic, Peppy and Pigma are not yet introduced, only James? You only have 4 parts done with volume 2. Are you still working on them, or have not yet uploaded? If not, then that is just the reason I asked. Take you time though, And thanks for writing a good fan fic. He was trying to get you to realize that discussion about the fanfic should take place in the topic about the fanfic, which he so helpfully linked you to. Take the discussion there, not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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