Like and Dislike about SF: Adventures

[Prince Elite]

Simple, list what you liked the most about it, and what you disliked about it. I do understand that one might outweigh the other.

I liked the locations, and the handling of the game, seeing as it's similar to Zelda.

I disliked the non-linearness of it all, it should at least have some way forward, and the lack of Fox's weapon set.

[Xortberg]

I like the fact that it causes all kinds of forum drama when people make topics that inevitably turn into Milky bitching at Adventures fans.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Liked:

Introduced Krystal

Was good in that it got Fox out of the Arwing

Really fun

Amazing graphics and sound

Expanded the SF Universe

Added more to the SF Mythos (Love that word! )

Dislike:

A few plotholes that need to be filled

Should've made Krystal more than a Damsel in Distress

Could use a bit more variety

[Prince Elite]

I like the fact that it causes all kinds of forum drama when people make topics that inevitably turn into Milky bitching at Adventures fans.

and as for the game itself?

[Ravior_Stygian]

Like:

Introduced Krystal

Good controls

Awesome graphics

Humorous cutscenes

Loved the whole Andross battle

Disliked:

Game drags a lot

Can be extremely tedious

Feels weird to play if doing a Star Fox marathon

Takes way to long to beat (which for some reason is a bad thing for this game)

Headache-inducing confusion rather than fun confusion (Zelda)

General Scales was wasted potential

Not much to do in terms of side quests

Really almost no incentive to play after beating it once

[Prince Elite]

Like:

Introduced Krystal

Good controls

Awesome graphics

Humorous cutscenes

Loved the whole Andross battle

Disliked:

Game drags a lot

Can be extremely tedious

Feels weird to play if doing a Star Fox marathon

Takes way to long to beat (which for some reason is a bad thing for this game)

Headache-inducing confusion rather than fun confusion (Zelda)

General Scales was wasted potential

Not much to do in terms or side quests

Really almost no incentive to play after beating it once

No replay value, good point. And also with Scales, you don't even get to fight him. Unacceptable. I'd also like to add that Andross' voice, was rubbish, why did they change it

[Ravior_Stygian]

One of the things that makes the Star Fox games so great is that they have immense replay value. 64, Assault, and Command all have plenty of replay value.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Agreed, the replay value of Adventures is lacking.

[Wes]

Likes: Krystal, Fox out of his arwing.

Dislikes: Everything else

[ThePointingMan]

I really like the scenery, it's pretty nice until you get to like.. dragon rock where everything is.... a burnt rock, as well as some other places. I also like the shop keeper, he's probably the coolest dude in the game.

I don't like how the puzzles aren't even puzzles there just tasks that kinda... slow you down a little, but have no real challenge. The combat is terrible... OH MAN THIS GUY IS KILLING MY GUARD BUDDY I'll just stand here and watch while he gets beat, and hey, he can't attack back cause when he gets hit he has so much stun time he can't do anything until he's dead. OH Snap weird laughing bird dudes in the air... can't hit you guys.

There's also the fact that everything else is also terrible. and why does the bridge of faith exist, a 12 second segment with a 5 minute long song that no one is going to hear.

[The Shaper]

Liked:

Graphics

Fox's mercenary personality

Some of the music

General Scales

Disliked:

Lack of replay value

Plot holes

Poorly written storyline

Not fighting Scales as the last boss

All of Tricky's extra colors

Everything about Krystal in the game

How easy it was

The fact that it was Zelda and not Star Fox

How stupid General Pepper came across as

A lot of the voice acting

The enemies constantly blocking instead of fighting

That it exists as Star Fox Adventures rather then Dinosaur Planet

Lack of Star Fox characters

That's all I've got for now.

[Harmony Descent]

Liked:

Graphics

Beautiful environments, although some were a bit bland

Mixture of tribal and orchestra music

SHARPCLAWZZ!!

Disliked:

.....I don't even know where to begin...

[Milkyway64]

Likes:

Visuals. Adventures was damn gorgeous for its time and still holds up really well. The scenery is nice to look at, which makes all the constant backtracking more manageable.

The fanboys. I get so excited when I encounter a starfox fan with a lean on Adventures. And by excited, I mean rage-excited.

Dislikes:

Everything else. The story was barely there, Krystal is a giant awkward hole, the planet's relation to Lylat is unclear, not everything makes sense, and why is this all in the StarFox verse? The combat was TURRIBLE in the way pointingman mentioned, and the puzzles were designed with the mindset that very young children would probably play. It's also a very ungratifying game. The water temple was frustrating (and not in the challenging way like OoT's was) and the sky temple tedius, and in the case of the latter we did not even get a boss fight, it was just cut out and replaced with another crashy boring motorcycle chase. Not to mention that Scales isn't a bossfight, well he is but as soon as either of you take damage it is stopped and finished by a cutscene.

3/10 game would not play again

[kkstarfox]

I like how i've seen this topic born from the ashes fifty billion times...

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

I like how i've seen this topic born from the ashes fifty billion times...

Eh, it's a good yet controversial game; this topic is prob. gonna be like the phoenix around these boards forever.

Honestly, the fact that Adventures still gets discussed so much is a testament to it'a longetvity (I think that's the word I'm looking for...>.>).

[Prince Elite]

Eh, it's a good yet controversial game; this topic is prob. gonna be like the phoenix around these boards forever.

Honestly, the fact that Adventures still gets discussed so much is a testament to it'a longetvity (I think that's the word I'm looking for...>.>).

Longevity refers to how long something is expected to live.

[Milkyway64]

Eh, it's a good yet controversial game; this topic is prob. gonna be like the phoenix around these boards forever.

Honestly, the fact that Adventures still gets discussed so much is a testament to it'a longetvity (I think that's the word I'm looking for...>.>).

Nope and nope. Adventures isn't that good of a game (it's passable but not good and this has been argued several times over.)

And a dead horse is a dead horse no matter how many times you dress it up. This has been repeated over and over again and very very rarely do the Adventures fanboys come out on top.

[Ravior_Stygian]

I'm curious, what were some of the plot holes in Adventures? Was it the fact that Krystal isn't a dinosaur? Is it that the engineer is an EarthWalker yet lives in the sky?

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Longevity refers to how long something is expected to live.

Doh! X3

I meant, like, how it remains a hot topic and popular even though it is nearing a decade old.

That, to me, really shows how good it was; that people continue to discuss it and debate it's merits.

[Milkyway64]

I'm curious, what were some of the plot holes in Adventures? Was it the fact that Krystal isn't a dinosaur? Is it that the engineer is an EarthWalker yet lives in the sky?

Cerinia, Krystal as a whole, Andross's involvement with the former, and random insignificant things here and there. The holes only start really showing their heads when comparing Adventures to the other titles.

Doh! X3

I meant, like, how it remains a hot topic and popular even though it is nearing a decade old.

That, to me, really shows how good it was; that people continue to discuss it and debate it's merits.

Actually, no. You know what else is talked about? Custers Revenge. ET on Atari. Simon's Quest.

Only those are all universally hated, but you get the point. The game has been discussed to death and there's hardly any good points for it standing in its favor. What's more hotly debated is the chronically blind fanboy I.E you that offers nothing to this "ongoing debate" other than simply your word that it is good and a Krystal emote. Which has its own implications in itself.

[Guest Mr. N]

Likes:

The graphics

Some music (Not all)

Beating up Tricky with the staff

Dislikes:

A Zelda OoT clone

Running around doing errands

Krystal (Until her backstory gets explained more)

Not being able to fly the Arwing as much as in SF64

The fact Nintendo thought it would be a good idea to make Dinosaur Planet into a Starfox game

Almost everything else

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Cerinia, Krystal as a whole, Andross's involvement with the former, and random insignificant things here and there. The holes only start really showing their heads when comparing Adventures to the other titles.

Actually, no. You know what else is talked about? Custers Revenge. ET on Atari. Simon's Quest.

Only those are all universally hated, but you get the point. The game has been discussed to death and there's hardly any good points for it standing in its favor. What's more hotly debated is the chronically blind fanboy I.E you that offers nothing to this "ongoing debate" other than simply your word that it is good and a Krystal emote. Which has its own implications in itself.

Only, you know, I gave good points earlier in the thread.

Brief summary:

- It's really fun

- Amazing graphics

- Expanded the SF Universe and Mythos

- Wasn't another rail-shooter, so it was a breath of fresh air.

- Introduced a new cahracter (Krystal) who became extremely popular

- Brought a whole new legion of fans into the series

- Beautiful soundtrack

Though, I like how you had to take a personal shot at me in there for no real good reason, other than I disagreed with you.

See, I'm not a "Blind Fanboy" as you so callously put it. I can see the problems with Adventures.

- Makes some plotholes

- Can get get bogged down

- Lack of replay value

- Parts of it can be boring

- Lack of sidequests

- Scales not being fully utilized

Also, it's already been determined (and, quite frankly is obvious) that I'm a Krystal Fan. So, ya know, you can just drop that little line about "implications."

If Adventures is one of my fave SF games (neck and neck with Assault, TBH) than it's not your place to tell me how terrible it is. And, though that isn't exactly the argument here; it leads to the real point of this line: there are a lot of people here who like Adventures. You aren't going to change anyone's mind on whether they like the game or not. The fact is if people still come on SF-O and talk about how and why they like Adventures, then obviously my statement isn't too far off base.

[Milkyway64]

Only, you know, I gave good points earlier in the thread.

Brief summary:

- It's really fun

- Amazing graphics

- Expanded the SF Universe and Mythos

- Wasn't another rail-shooter, so it was a breath of fresh air.

- Introduced a new cahracter (Krystal) who became extremely popular

- Brought a whole new legion of fans into the series

- Beautiful soundtrack

Though, I like how you had to take a personal shot at me in there for no real good reason, other than I disagreed with you.

See, I'm not a "Blind Fanboy" as you so callously put it. I can see the problems with Adventures.

- Makes some plotholes

- Can get get bogged down

- Lack of replay value

- Parts of it can be boring

- Lack of sidequests

- Scales not being fully utilized

Also, it's already been determined (and, quite frankly is obvious) that I'm a Krystal Fan. So, ya know, you can just drop that little line about "implications."

If Adventures is one of my fave SF games (neck and neck with Assault, TBH) than it's not your place to tell me how terrible it is. And, though that isn't exactly the argument here; it leads to the real point of this line: there are a lot of people here who like Adventures. You aren't going to change anyone's mind on whether they like the game or not. The fact is if people still come on SF-O and talk about how and why they like Adventures, then obviously my statement isn't too far off base.

I'm going to address these in no particular order.

First off, yeah, I can say the game is terrible because it is in most respects true. I've never said no one can like it, I just said it doesn't hold up well objectively for a variety of stated reasons ranging from development cycle to being unbalanced.

Second, your lists contradict themselves.

- It's really fun

and

- Can get get bogged down

- Lack of replay value

- Parts of it can be boring

- Lack of sidequests

don't fit hand in hand. In fact, those are traits that make a game unpleasant to play, which is the opposite of "fun."

On these lists;

- Expanded the SF Universe and Mythos

In a bad way. They went about it in the worst way possible.

- Wasn't another rail-shooter, so it was a breath of fresh air.

In other words, you're supportive of the fact that it's completely NOT itself. Why are you calling yourself a starfox fan, again?

There's a difference between evolution and superimposing Fox in a different game.

- Introduced a new cahracter (Krystal) who became extremely popular

- Brought a whole new legion of fans into the series

GEE IT'S ALMOST LIKE THESE TWO ARE RELATED SOMEHOW.

Let us ask SCIENCE why this is!

oh yeah that's right.

All on Devient Art's most popular front page, and sifting through a good number of NSFW bits.

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

I'm going to address these in no particular order.

First off, yeah, I can say the game is terrible because it is in most respects true. I've never said no one can like it, I just said it doesn't hold up well objectively for a variety of stated reasons ranging from development cycle to being unbalanced.

Second, your lists contradict themselves.

- It's really fun

and

- Can get get bogged down

- Lack of replay value

- Parts of it can be boring

- Lack of sidequests

don't fit hand in hand. In fact, those are traits that make a game unpleasant to play, which is the opposite of "fun."

On these lists;

- Expanded the SF Universe and Mythos

In a bad way. They went about it in the worst way possible.

- Wasn't another rail-shooter, so it was a breath of fresh air.

In other words, you're supportive of the fact that it's completely NOT itself. Why are you calling yourself a starfox fan, again?

There's a difference between evolution and superimposing Fox in a different game.

- Introduced a new cahracter (Krystal) who became extremely popular

- Brought a whole new legion of fans into the series

GEE IT'S ALMOST LIKE THESE TWO ARE RELATED SOMEHOW.

Let us ask SCIENCE why this is!

oh yeah that's right.

All on Devient Art's most popular front page, and sifting through a good number of NSFW bits.

A. It IS really fun. Parts of it can drag on, but overall it is SO FUN to explore and do battle with Sharpclaws and just go on, well, adventures. I mean, the wide variety of different landscapes one can explore and the different little things you can do (speederbike racing is one) just keep it fun the whole way through.

B. How is it a bad way? It added a new planet, gave the series a consistent storyline, added more personality to Fox, and added a new member to Star Fox. Sure, it made plot-holes, but a solid sequel can help fill some of those in. I honestly don't see how plot-holes made the game so bad.

C. I'm supportive of the series doing something new. Not every SF game needs to be a rail shooter, and Adventures WAS a breath of fresh air. Sure, it may have been forced into being a SF game; but it was fun and lead the way for Assault, which is perhaps the best SF game (IMO) and has equal amounts of Arwing and Ground Combat. It was nice to see Fox out of the cockpit and exploring for once.

D. See, I KNEW you were gonna go DIRECTLY to the sexual link. It's NOT JUST FURRIES it brought in. Adventures was an early GC game and plenty of kids who hadn't played the others were brought into the series from it. But you know what? You're right, Krystal IS sexy; but we all KNOW that; and even if you can't stand Furries, they still are buying the games and thus helping to keep the SF series going.

["User"]

Second, your lists contradict themselves.

- It's really fun

and

- Can get get bogged down

- Lack of replay value

- Parts of it can be boring

- Lack of sidequests

don't fit hand in hand. In fact, those are traits that make a game unpleasant to play, which is the opposite of "fun."

I think he was referring to the game in it's entirety with the "really fun" comment. I can think of many games that from an overall point of view are very fun to play yet I can list detrimental things that look, at first glance, that they impede the fun factor. Final Fantasy 4 (which I'm still playing through) I'm finding extremely enjoyable but some parts (like grinding to gain levels to beat areas if I'm not at a high enough level) aren't really the most enjoyable and fun parts of the game.

Again, this all comes down to personal opinion. Some fans liked the "fresh air" aspect of Adventures and that's what made the game more fun to play, it was something different. Whether or not the difference was good or bad is all in the eye of the beholder and thus subject to opinion. One can argue technicalities to support their point of view but if the other person geniunely found the game to their liking then said technicalities become moot. We aren't arguing something that's an absolute truth (fact) as much as we're debating on what makes a game fun for each person.

On these lists;

- Expanded the SF Universe and Mythos

In a bad way. They went about it in the worst way possible.

- Wasn't another rail-shooter, so it was a breath of fresh air.

In other words, you're supportive of the fact that it's completely NOT itself. Why are you calling yourself a starfox fan, again?

So a game MUST be a rail shooter that you like in order to be considered a fan of Star Fox? Adventures had a lot of problems with it but lets just say if it was amazing done (no plot holes, extensive character development. etc) and didn't have all of these issues and it was an epicly done game would it still "fail" because it's not a rail shooter or a shoot em up?

oh yeah that's right.

You have good taste. :)