Drasiana Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Dude, there is a big honking difference between being grounded and being the victim of attempted murder via someone who stalked you over the internet. Boo hoo the kid called him a fag over Xbox wow that totally does not mean he deserved to be traumatized like that. Yes, traumatized. That wasn't a slap on the wrist, that was some old dude who went out of his way to track him down to try to kill him over something incredibly stupid. Normal kids get a slap on the wrist and their Xbox taken away. If you think "attempted murder" is suitable punishment for video game misdemeanour I pray to whoever's listening that you never reproduce. He is BARELY a teenager. You really claim to be able to make the call that he'll never grow out of it? Seriously? You know lots of adults that are exactly the same as they were when they were thirteen? Reality check, bro, this isn't freakin' Never-Never Land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Love how no one can apparently read the parts about how the guy went overboard and was in no way justified. Love how your comprehension of the English language just seems to fail at that point. Don't know how it is in Canadia-land (I intentionally spelled it Canadia) or the UK where the kid is, but a common way for growing kids to learn not to be dicks to people around here (how I did it and most of my friends, anyway), is to have the shit kicked out of them. Usually it's at school, where he pisses off the wrong person in the wrong way. Sometimes it's a friend, other times a random other student. Either way, they get into a fight over it, sometimes they win, sometimes they get their ass kicked over it. Personally, I was a little brat through most of elementary school, and deserved more ass kickings than I got. I can only think of one fight off the top of my head where I wasn't in the wrong on it. That being where a guy and two of his friends tried to jump me and a friend of mine, and we proceeded to beat the shit out of them. After that, the guy acted like we were his best friends ever. We still hated the guy because he was a fucking punk, but he'd try and be super friendly after that to us. The other two were neutral before, and neutral afterwards. Not saying that the guy didn't severely overreact or that he should of strangled the kid, no, that was wrong. However, that kid did deserve something. I found the story amusing before, but if the guy had given the kid a good beating instead, nothing to serious, just a bloody nose and/or lip, maybe a few bruises, I'd of found it hysterical. I told/linked this story to a lot of my friends, not just in SoCal, but around the world, and they too found the story hilarious. They agree that the guy overreacted, but also agree the kid deserved at least a good ass kicking (not saying he got one either, mind you). Also not saying that his parents should randomly beat him with bits of wood or that they should beat him for every infraction. And don't get the wrong idea about my upbringing, my parents didn't beat me, if anyone thought that. Looking back, however, they should of for a lot of the shit I pulled, and that's no exaggeration. Honestly, they should of, I admit it. However, my parents did have a list of things not to do, or my dad would beat the shit out of me, and the sense into me. Most of it can be approximated with, "Don't be a smarmy, disrespectful jackass," but one big one was to never lay a hand on my mother or sister, which I wouldn't do anyway, but if I did, I'd of been beaten something fierce, I can tell you. Another big one was to not do drugs, as my dad said if he caught me doing them, he'd break both my legs. Now if I did just marijuana, I doubt he'd go that far, but if it was crack or heroin or something, I'd probably still be in physical therapy. And I am thankful for that. And as far as people not changing from early teens to adult hood, having been with pretty much the same people from kindergarten up to 12th grade, I have to say, you're right, I'm wrong. Barring a sequence of negative repercussions or one to a few serious ones, they get worse. Why would someone change if the way they're carrying on now has no negative consequences? Jesse wants a particular game. Dylan has said game. Jesse has stolen things he wanted from people before, and never been caught, so he steals the game from Dylan. Somehow, Dylan finds out it was Jesse, and proceeds to kick his ass. Their parents get involved, and Jesse now loses not only his new game, but all of his other games and the systems as well. The stolen property returned to their owners, and Dylan getting all the games and systems that weren't obtained illegally. Guess what Jesse doesn't do again? Same with my sister's ex-boyfriend. He said something rude to a bunch of transvestites, and they beat the shit out of him. Bet'cha can't guess what he said he'd never do again? Christopher Titus stopped drinking at the age of 16. Why? Because he fell into a bonfire. From what I understand, Richard Pryor stopped doing cocaine after he was freebasing on it, tripped, proceeded to poor high-proof rum over his body, set himself ablaze, and ran down the street until he was subdued by the police, at which he'd already acquired third-degree burns on over half of his body. People won't stop a negative behaviour until it has a negative consequence (for them) to it. Anyway, I made the topic to share the funny article, because I did, and still do, find it amusing. The guy was wrong in what he did, no doubt, but the kid is to blame as well, as are his parents, and the lad should not be freaking martyred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 wow internet machismo I'm so impressed Love how no one can apparently read the parts about how the guy went overboard and was in no way justified. Love how your comprehension of the English language just seems to fail at that point. Actually, I am responding to this: Not gonna lie, the guy went overboard, but I believe the kid likely deserved it because I've dealt with punks like that online. They need something to teach 'em respect, and not to be shit stains of humanity. ...and your many following iterations of such. Yes, you clearly say "the guy went overboard", and then you go on to say "but the kid deserved it". Ergo, you are saying the kid deserved to have an older man attempt to kill him over a video game. I also love how your definition of the "shit stains of humanity" is a thirteen year old kid calling people mean names over a video game. Don't know how it is in Canadia-land (I intentionally spelled it Canadia) or the UK where the kid is, but a common way for growing kids to learn not to be dicks to people around here (how I did it and most of my friends, anyway), is to have the shit kicked out of them. Usually it's at school, where he pisses off the wrong person in the wrong way. Sometimes it's a friend, other times a random other student. Either way, they get into a fight over it, sometimes they win, sometimes they get their ass kicked over it. Dude, Canada's a country, not a fucking planet. I was also born and spent a good deal of my childhood in South Florida. And no, in neither place was school ever this massive mess of flailing fists that you make it out to be. Kids learned not to "be dicks" by getting suspended or, god forbid, have their precious video games/other toys taken away. And anyways, one ten year old smacking another ten year old is a lot different than a man approaching 50 strangling a tween. I love how your comprehension of the English language just seems to fail at that point. Especially considering most of this post is comprised of you talking about how badass you or others were with dealing with people their own age. Not saying that the guy didn't severely overreact or that he should of strangled the kid, no, that was wrong. However, that kid did deserve something. I found the story amusing before, but if the guy had given the kid a good beating instead, nothing to serious, just a bloody nose and/or lip, maybe a few bruises, I'd of found it hysterical. I told/linked this story to a lot of my friends, not just in SoCal, but around the world, and they too found the story hilarious. They agree that the guy overreacted, but also agree the kid deserved at least a good ass kicking (not saying he got one either, mind you). "Other people found it funny! So, uh, you're totally wrong! Nuuuh!" Maybe at first, yeah. Even I smirked sardonically upon reading it. Why? Because we've all had that moment of "man, I want to strangle that kid". The difference is, most of us are actually sane enough to realize that we don't actually want to crush a child's windpipe, and that violence actually doesn't solve all our problems. Seriously. The rest of your post is a rambling mess of "if we don't physically abuse children, they never learn!" Or maybe just you, because I'm seeing some awfully masochistic undertones there. Wow, how I've gone this long without my parents breaking all my bones is beyond me. I must be this close to robbing a bank, or going on a murder spree, or worse...trash-talking someone. How have my teachers kept their jobs with all the super-effective beatings they must employ on children to get them to learn? Oh, that's right. Beating the shit out of people isn't the only way to handle a situation. Ever thought that Jesse from your little story there got his just rewards because his parents found out? Do you really think that if Dylan had just beaten him up without saying a thing to anyone else, he would have stopped? Maybe if Dylan was an eight foot tall black man named Grizzly that watched his every move. Chances are, that isn't the case, and Dylan is probably just a scraggly kid. Jesse isn't going to give a shit. Neither do the kids who continually get F's in class; sometimes "punishment" doesn't phaze people. If anything, they think it gives them some kind of credit. The rest of your examples? The "setting yourself on fire" things? Yeah, those are kind of things you do to yourself. The punishment there is guilt and embarassment. If someone else beats you up for talking shit, you can easily put the blame on them, and decide you get a free pass to keep talking shit. Anyway, I made the topic to share the funny article, because I did, and still do, find it amusing. The guy was wrong in what he did, no doubt, but the kid is to blame as well, as are his parents, and the lad should not be freaking martyred. No one here is martyring the kid, they're just saying that Xbox-fucking-live isn't serious enough business to physically harm someone over. You know what the best course of action would have been here? If the guy was so intent on finding this kid he found his address, he probably could have just phoned his parents instead and had a pleasant chat about what their son had been up to on the internet. If you think fighting the empty words of a stupid kid with your fists is the advisable course of action, you just might actually be more immature than the kid who just called you a dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faisul Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 You're not allowed to, as they call it, 'physically educate' children for good reason. It's been banned in many European countries, including my own, because the short-term response from the child following abuse does not outweigh the possibility of the child developing an unwanted attachment to physical violence to solve problems later on in life. Of course, not all children are the same, many will simply regard abuse as a normal parenting practice and become healthy adults, and not all instances of 'physical education' are abhorrent. The light smack on the wrists following some wrongdoing, for example, is not as much an infliction of pain as it is the parent expressing their displeasure in a way the child cannot possibly misunderstand. But for the typical 'xbox kiddie,' it's the nominal anonymity of online gaming that brings out this kind of behaviour. The kid could otherwise be a very nice young man, but as soon as he's put in a competitive environment where he himself is physically isolated and relatively secure from repercussions by the people he's mouthing off at, the beast comes out. Typically, kids will attempt to 'win the argument' by calling out their object of derision, sometimes providing their home address, with the idea that their 'opponent' will back down because, as this article shows, actually going to someone's home and try to kill them because they had a meanie potty mouth is insane and unthinkable. Oops! Vydrach, your position is a little confusing, but from the gist of it you have the same attitude towards child-rearing and the maturity of youths as a large number of other people, which isn't necessarily wrong, but perhaps a little reactionary. Kids will be kids, and they've always had a certain distaste for convention that can be just chalked up to teenage rebellion. Whereas when I was a kid, when we would kick over garbage cans and spray paint swastikas on store front windows, these xbox kiddies are taking their little rebellions to a platform of open communication - they're talking shit and being little shits, sure - but does the punishment fit the crime? Many of the kids saying this kinda stuff don't even believe it themselves, they're only doing it to antagonize their opponent. Is it bad form? Yes. Is it a behaviour requiring adjustment? Of course. Should this adjustment involve physical violence? No. Beating will often just reinforce the idea that as long as you can hulk out and punish your opponent by being strong cave man alpha male, you're in the right - completely the opposite of today's diplomatic values of reasoning. Sit the kid down after he's played his game if you're a parent, and say, 'Jimmy, the things you said today on your game were terrible because of X and Y. Time to cut down your playtime!' instead! Don't try to kill them, jesus christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Vydrach, Dras is ripping you right the hell apart. You're being dumb, bro. Stop being stubborn and -think- about it for a moment. IT'S A MAN ATTEMPTING TO MURDER A KID OVER A VIDEOGAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Indeed. The supposedly grown adult here could have handled this better. Does kids like that deserve a lesson? Sure they do, but not in form of an enstranglement which could possible have proved lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Love how no one can apparently read the parts about how the guy went overboard and was in no way justified. Love how your comprehension of the English language just seems to fail at that point. oh for Christ's sake i thought you guys banned Sabre see, you can throw in every disclaimer you want about how the guy went overboard and was in no way justified but that don't mean shit when you then spend the rest of every single post you made in this thread trying to justify what you said was in no way justified. you're trying to say that P and ~P are both true at the same time and that is logically impossible. pick one or the other. either this kid deserved to have someone come to his house and try to kill him over video game smack talk or he didn't. protip: that is what it means to say he deserved this. "the 46-year-old was justified" = "the kid deserved this." they are equivalents. P = P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Okay, I have to say, it's shit like this that fuels the argument that "video games spread violence." The real message here is that some people lack common sense, and they make all of us gamers look bad for it. And seriously Vydrach, cut the shit, your just making yourself look like an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 You're right, I did say the kid deserved to be strangled, and that's wrong. Let me rephrase that. The kid deserved an ass kicking. Not really from some random guy, but his father beating his ass with a leather belt would be pretty good. And the guy deserved some retribution. Maybe not physical retribution. But something that assures him the kid is getting his just desserts. As far as grounding and lawlspension go, not sure about you, but for my friends and I, they didn't work. Grounding only works if what you did is so worthless to you that it doesn't outweigh a period of boredom, and suspension is the best punishment school ever devised, from the stand point of the one being punished (usually), because it's entirely dependent on what your parents do to you while being suspended. If they're not really gonna punish you, rest of the day suspensions may as well of been called "leave early," and multiple day suspensions may as well of been called "vacations." But perhaps you're right, and grounding would be something the child is susceptible to. Keep in mind, however, that opinion is derived from personal experience and placing yourself in a similar situation, and grounding and suspension did nothing to either me or my friends growing up. We got grounded, but it was usually thrown on top of other punishments to ensure that they sink in, and when used as the sole punishment, accomplished little at best. And as for the people who are saying I'm making myself look like an idiot, Do you really expect that to concern me? Wouldn't be the first time, and certainly won't be the last. Hell, I'll intentionally do it for the sake of my own amusement frequently. Another humorous thing that arose from this encounter, is that on ponychan, where I first saw the article, everyone found it hilarious, some people wanted to give the man medals, and one person even suggested funding a third-party institute devoted to finding people being douchehats and punching them in the face. Perhaps the best quote was, "I want to punch this guy in the face with one hand and give him a high five with the other." Doubt most of them were serious, but that they find it amusing and make jokes about it while SF-O is so touchy-feely about it is quite humorous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As far as grounding and lawlspension go, not sure about you, but for my friends and I, they didn't work. Grounding only works if what you did is so worthless to you that it doesn't outweigh a period of boredom, and suspension is the best punishment school ever devised, from the stand point of the one being punished (usually), because it's entirely dependent on what your parents do to you while being suspended. If they're not really gonna punish you, rest of the day suspensions may as well of been called "leave early," and multiple day suspensions may as well of been called "vacations." Again, I'm not sure how you think anyone else in the world functions, considering my parents never beat the shit out of me (outside the odd spanking when I was like, two, and without higher brain function) yet here I am without a criminal record. I appreciate that you admit that you're an asshole with some weird erotic fixation on his parents beating the shit out of him, but that doesn't work on most people. Another humorous thing that arose from this encounter, is that on ponychan, where I first saw the article, everyone found it hilarious, some people wanted to give the man medals, and one person even suggested funding a third-party institute devoted to finding people being douchehats and punching them in the face. Perhaps the best quote was, "I want to punch this guy in the face with one hand and give him a high five with the other." There's a difference between joking about such a rediculous situation, and then seriously saying "that kid deserved to be strangled", which is essentially what you said, whether or not you intended it to come off that way. Saying "I want to punch this guy in the face with one hand and give him a high five with the other" is clearly something of a joke and can be taken as such. Do you really expect that to concern me? Wouldn't be the first time, and certainly won't be the last. Hell, I'll intentionally do it for the sake of my own amusement frequently. I guess some methods of punishment don't work after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 I believe you misunderstand the extent to which my parents actually went. Understandable given how I worded it, but I was actually lumping together parental discipline with any form of negative physical repercussions, mostly because spanking actually is used as a form of erotic stimulation quite commonly, and is one of the reasons the term doesn't sit well with me. Worst I ever got from them were a few beltings, which are quite effective punishments because after one, maybe two of them, the snap of a leather belt becomes a bad-behaviour off-switch. I guess some methods of punishment don't work after all. As far as this goes, there's a difference between being a jack ass and a dumb ass. Me being a dumb ass online is generally me putting myself on the end of a joke for the sake of my own and/or others' amusement, while being a jack ass would be putting others at the end of the joke for my own and/or others' amusement, which is something I don't do unless I am confident the person will not get mad and take it all in good fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Time and a place for that, though. You're making yourself look like an idiot in a thread about attempted murder. Play internet tough guy all you like, but the fact of the matter is you're coming off as a completely buttfuck retarded 12 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I believe you misunderstand the extent to which my parents actually went. Understandable given how I worded it, but I was actually lumping together parental discipline with any form of negative physical repercussions, mostly because spanking actually is used as a form of erotic stimulation quite commonly, and is one of the reasons the term doesn't sit well with me. Worst I ever got from them were a few beltings, which are quite effective punishments because after one, maybe two of them, the snap of a leather belt becomes a bad-behaviour off-switch. "Belting" can also be used as a form of erotic stimulation so I don't really know what you're trying to argue here. Parents smack their kids on the ass because your butt's all fatty and whacking it causes a loud noise with limited lasting harm. Lashing someone with a strip of leather however is a different story. Anyways, the fact that your parents might have beat the shit out of you with a belt doesn't a) make that normal, and b) make that effective punishment for everyone. Like Uno pointed out, punishing non-violence with violence just teaches kids that physical intimidation is what it takes for them to get their way. And again giving the kid a spanking is not the same as strangling him, and again I don't know why you keep ignoring the "just take away his fucking Xbox" solution. As far as this goes, there's a difference between being a jack ass and a dumb ass. Me being a dumb ass online is generally me putting myself on the end of a joke for the sake of my own and/or others' amusement Something tells me that's not what you were going for with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos_Leader Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 And again giving the kid a spanking is not the same as strangling him, and again I don't know why you keep ignoring the "just take away his fucking Xbox" solution. Honestly, his parents should take away his systems, and put his ass to work until he realizes not to randomly talk shit to people because there can and will be repercussions. Just thought I'd point this little thing out before frustration blots out things in the mind. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furygun81 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well I'm in the UK right now and I can tell you that I don't know what's happening in this thread (can't be bothered to read the various essays that you appear to have typed) but why are you having an arguement that's clearly never going to end if you carry on the way you are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well I'm in the UK right now and I can tell you that I don't know what's happening in this thread (can't be bothered to read the various essays that you appear to have typed) but why are you having an arguement that's clearly never going to end if you carry on the way you are now. Come on man, you need to read what's going on, this isn't a simple argument - it's a little deeper than that. Please take the time to actually read the posts of others before you come in telling them your opinion on what you think is happening. But yes, we are now going in circles. I'ma lock this topic, because it's now very intense. If you guys still feel you need to say something, maybe you can PM the person you want to talk to, and explain your views there. Thanks. :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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