Future Fox?

[Gestalt]

Obviously the main characters have gone through a tad-bit of a personality change in each game...

For example:

Assualt- Fox vs. Adventures-Fox

SF64-Wolf vs. Assualt-Wolf

.....et cetera.

In a future SF game what would the best characterization of ur favorite charater??

This includes but is not limited to voice acting, outfits/uniform (adventures Falco looked kick-ass), and character persona (a professional, edumacated Fox vs. a silly, submissive Fox)

OPEN TO ALL CHARACTERS!!! (whether they have changed throughout the games or U just want them to.)

[Drasiana]

personalities would be preferrable

[Gestalt]

explain.

[Prince Elite]

A Fox McCloud who does as he does, the fact that he showed up to Sauria without a gun is bad enough. He's supposed to "do things his way" I say he should do them, let's have some edge with Fox, let's have some bad-assery. He also needs a greater emotional range too, that would help so much.

Simplification: More edgy Fox attitude, Greater emotional range.

[KokoaMinto]

- The Personalities:

Fox McCloud:

Serious with his job and relationships toward his friends, always there for their duty and warm hearted. He should have a sense of humour he had in Adventures, but he also should take things serious like he did in Assault. Fox should care about his friends and teammates like he always does and never should hesitate when time is too short to make the "right" decision.

Appearently he evolved the most in all games (of course, he's the main character) though he was serious in Lylat Wars, a bit too unserious in Adventures and serious again in Assault. Nontheless he shouldn't be a super hero that can decide everything without making a second thought of it or playing all careless.

Slippy Toad:

Actually he should stay the way he is, there's nothing to change in my eyes besides of that he finally should know of how to use an Arwing (which is about damn time!).

Falco Lombardi:

Hard to tell. I always liked his short temper and his provoke behaviour he had. Actually I found it nice that he acted a bit more calm and mature in Assault, so I think he should stay in that way. A big plus was that we could see how much he cares about Fox as a close friend and didn't hesitated to save his life on Fichina. Being the "cool guy" is the best role he could get and I don't think that this needs to get scrapped in the future Star Fox games.

Peppy Hare:

Still being the mentor of the Star Fox Team though he doesn't fly an Arwing anymore. It suited him so well! Though I like the idea that he could be the next General of the Corneria army.

Krystal:

She should stay the way she was in Assault. Nuff said.

Wolf O'Donnell:

A mix between Lylat Wars and Assault. For some reason it kinda gave me a different view of him. Staying bad ass as he is with a big rivalry with Fox and his whole Team, but helping them out when they really are in trouble and can't handle it by their own. I likes this anti-hero behaviour very much, but I also would like to see him battle with Fox in a more serious way like he did back in Lylat Wars.

Leon Powalski:

Just one word: Psycho. I was amazed after I saw how different he was between Lylat Wars and Assault! Of course he should stay as cool as he was in N64 times, but he should also have this sadistic behaviour. I don't know why but for me he seems to be a real sadist assassine that loves to torture his victims before killing them.

Panther Caluroso:

...Do I really need to think about this guy?

I don't mind if he remains as a part of the Star Wolf Team, but he shouldn't talk all that ranting all the time, it's kind of annoying though I know he's the "casanova that gets a crush on every woman that isn't up on the tree within 3 seconds". A bit more of seriousness wouldn't be that bad here.

Andrew Oikonny:

I would like to see him more bad ass in the future. For some reason I was disappointed that he was so easy to beat in Assault and never appeared again after he got pawned by the first Aparoid boss. Sure he was an enemy on Command but geez... that game doesn't count as a main part of the franchise in my eyes. As the grandchild of Andross I would expect a more serious enemy inside him. He's as crazy as Andross, that was a good start in the right direction with him.

Katt Monroe:

Well... sadly she is just a pink side character that has a crush on a blue guy of the Star Fox Team. For me it's a bit boring seeing this kind of stuff all the time (Sonic and Amy, Sasuke and Sakura...). Nontheless she is the only pink character I do like. She should stay the way she always was, she just shouldn't stick on Falco's butt the entire time, he doesn't even deserved her for acting all rude. But god, the eyes of love are blind. Okay, she knows how to destroy his cool mask he is wearing, but I think that she and the blue catboy from the 2002 Manga make a way cuter couple, and I wouldn't mind if he appears in the games like the rest of the Hot Rodders/Free as a Bird gang.

Bill Grey:

Please, dear god please, let him act all he did in Lylat Wars, then he's perfect!

- About the Outfits:

Well, it would be nice to see that the characters wear the uniforms they did in Assault and Brawl, just a few changes here and there. I likes the suits for Star Wolf at Assault and the outfits of Fox and Falco in Brawl, it made them way more serious.

[Scourge]

- The Personalities:

Fox McCloud:

Serious with his job and relationships toward his friends, always there for their duty and warm hearted. He should have a sense of humour he had in Adventures, but he also should take things serious like he did in Assault. Fox should care about his friends and teammates like he always does and never should hesitate when time is too short to make the "right" decision.

Appearently he evolved the most in all games (of course, he's the main character) though he was serious in Lylat Wars, a bit too unserious in Adventures and serious again in Assault. Nontheless he shouldn't be a super hero that can decide everything without making a second thought of it or playing all careless.

Slippy Toad:

Actually he should stay the way he is, there's nothing to change in my eyes besides of that he finally should know of how to use an Arwing (which is about damn time!).

Falco Lombardi:

Hard to tell. I always liked his short temper and his provoke behaviour he had. Actually I found it nice that he acted a bit more calm and mature in Assault, so I think he should stay in that way. A big plus was that we could see how much he cares about Fox as a close friend and didn't hesitated to save his life on Fichina. Being the "cool guy" is the best role he could get and I don't think that this needs to get scrapped in the future Star Fox games.

Peppy Hare:

Still being the mentor of the Star Fox Team though he doesn't fly an Arwing anymore. It suited him so well! Though I like the idea that he could be the next General of the Corneria army.

Krystal:

She should stay the way she was in Assault. Nuff said.

Wolf O'Donnell:

A mix between Lylat Wars and Assault. For some reason it kinda gave me a different view of him. Staying bad ass as he is with a big rivalry with Fox and his whole Team, but helping them out when they really are in trouble and can't handle it by their own. I likes this anti-hero behaviour very much, but I also would like to see him battle with Fox in a more serious way like he did back in Lylat Wars.

Leon Powalski:

Just one word: Psycho. I was amazed after I saw how different he was between Lylat Wars and Assault! Of course he should stay as cool as he was in N64 times, but he should also have this sadistic behaviour. I don't know why but for me he seems to be a real sadist assassine that loves to torture his victims before killing them.

Panther Caluroso:

...Do I really need to think about this guy?

I don't mind if he remains as a part of the Star Wolf Team, but he shouldn't talk all that ranting all the time, it's kind of annoying though I know he's the "casanova that gets a crush on every woman that isn't up on the tree within 3 seconds". A bit more of seriousness wouldn't be that bad here.

Andrew Oikonny:

I would like to see him more bad ass in the future. For some reason I was disappointed that he was so easy to beat in Assault and never appeared again after he got pawned by the first Aparoid boss. Sure he was an enemy on Command but geez... that game doesn't count as a main part of the franchise in my eyes. As the grandchild of Andross I would expect a more serious enemy inside him. He's as crazy as Andross, that was a good start in the right direction with him.

Katt Monroe:

Well... sadly she is just a pink side character that has a crush on a blue guy of the Star Fox Team. For me it's a bit boring seeing this kind of stuff all the time (Sonic and Amy, Sasuke and Sakura...). Nontheless she is the only pink character I do like. She should stay the way she always was, she just shouldn't stick on Falco's butt the entire time, he doesn't even deserved her for acting all rude. But god, the eyes of love are blind. Okay, she knows how to destroy his cool mask he is wearing, but I think that she and the blue catboy from the 2002 Manga make a way cuter couple, and I wouldn't mind if he appears in the games like the rest of the Hot Rodders/Free as a Bird gang.

Bill Grey:

Please, dear god please, let him act all he did in Lylat Wars, then he's perfect!

- About the Outfits:

Well, it would be nice to see that the characters wear the uniforms they did in Assault and Brawl, just a few changes here and there. I likes the suits for Star Wolf at Assault and the outfits of Fox and Falco in Brawl, it made them way more serious.

This. Entirely because its so perfect, I cant think of anything to add.

[Fureox]

Greater emotional range.

Command kinda screwed that.

Kryyyystaaaaaaal! Come back to meeeeeeeeeee!

[Pgpaw3]

They should change their personality and try and keep the same voice actors for more than one game.

[KokoaMinto]

They should change their personality and try and keep the same voice actors for more than one game.

Well I never actually complained about the voice actors in Star Fox, they always did a great job on it. Appearently they don't need to change the voice actors for every new game even though it makes sense when the characters are getting older. Remember that Star Fox Assault as an example plays 1 year after Adventures but 9 years after Lylat Wars, so I don't believe that the characters stick around with the same voices over and over again. In that way the characters evolve not only with their personalities but also with the appearence of how old they turned.

I can't believe that Slippy would have that annoying voice from Lylat Wars where he was around 18 years old when he's already 27 in Assault.

So in that point I do believe that Nintendo thought about the whole voice acting stuff and decided to change the actors when the characters are getting older. For me it's kind of wonderful due to the fact they try to make it more "realistic", we won't have the same voice our whole life afterall, too.

[Drasiana]

Fox needs to lose the "Hero the Protagonist" crap he had going in Assault and go back to being an asshole like he was in 64/Adventures. A slightly cocky, gruff adventurer is far more interesting than the generic goodie two-shoes he randomly turned into.

ROB, Falco, Slippy and Peppy are fine in their roles. Falco and Peppy could use some more definition in their relationship, but as far as their function and their core personalities go all of them are pretty solid.

Krystal:

She should stay the way she was in Assault. Nuff said.

What, whiny and useless? Krystal's role in the team gameplay-wise needs to be something that does not conflict with Peppy, and her role story-wise needs to not just boil down to "the female one".

Star Wolf needs a fourth member to balance them out, and Panther and the theoretical new member need to have an actual function again in both story and gameplay that corresponds to their rival Star Fox member. Peppy and Pigma were related via story, Slippy and Andrew were related via skill (or lack therof), but now it's completely unbalanced. Star Wolf are a space outlaws, and they need to act like it. I don't know why they turned Star Wolf into a bunch of angels from Assault-forward, but these guys were not supposed to be good guys, and if they were, what is the point of having them alongside Star Fox? They need to be more antagonistic to balance out the heroes.

Wolf is rediculous right now in their attempt at making him "manly". I'm not sure what they were going for in the "goth biker" look in Brawl, or the "completely immobile spiked pupa casing" in Assault and Command. He just reeks of "trying too hard" and there's no reason for me to believe he's actually a badass. Peppy pulled more badass stunts than he did in Assault. The games just go OOO LOOKIT HOW BADASS HE IS but there's absolutely no reason for us to be intimidated by him, especially now that he's a "good guy".

Leon is okay but I want to know why he fits into the role of Falco's rival. He's always just seemed like a filler character, to be totally honest, as has Panther.

Andrew hasn't been used to his potential. He's Andross' nephew, but any development he could have gotten out of that was given to a NEW GODDAMN CHARACTER in Command, who was a plothole himself. I don't necessarily think Andrew needs to be SUPR COOL GRIMDARK, not at all, I like him as a somewhat comedic fail-villain, but there's opportunity there to play with his character. He idolizes his uncle, yet can't live up to who Andross was. He is the PERFECT foil for Fox in this regard, but this is never, ever acknowledged.

Katt was great in Lylat Wars. She was flirty, but didn't exist to solely be a love interest, and any "relationship" she could have had was never resolved. She was smart and tough, having stolen her ship from Andross himself, and was there to help you when you needed it. She was a great character and I wish we got more of that, instead of the pathetic Krystal-recolour they turned her into in Command.

Not much to say about Bill other than I wish we saw him more. Kool needs a different name. Pigma needs to not be a giant cube, because that's stupid.

Appearance-wise the characters really need to take a step back to a somewhat retro, grungier sci-fi look. The shiny sparkle space desu look of Assault was just not doing it for me. You could practically smell the exhaust in SF64, but Assault was far too pristine, especially for a bunch of mercenaries.

Also,

Remember that Star Fox Assault as an example plays 1 year after Adventures but 9 years after Lylat Wars, so I don't believe that the characters stick around with the same voices over and over again. In that way the characters evolve not only with their personalities but also with the appearence of how old they turned.

I can't believe that Slippy would have that annoying voice from Lylat Wars where he was around 18 years old when he's already 27 in Assault.

What? Your voice does not change that significantly once you become an adult. By your logic there, Peppy DE-AGED in the year between Adventures and Assault. The voice actors changed because those actors were the ones readily available to the companies producing the games. Steve Malpass was working for Rare. Jim Walker was working for Namco.

You're confusing "evolution" with "inconsistancy".

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Krystal

- Keep the Assault look

- Keep the VA from Assault

- She should be similar to how she was in Assault personality and character-wise, but given a somewhat more major role.

For the others, I'm just gonna point you to Saphiria's awesome post ;)

[Milkyway64]

Krystal

- Keep the Assault look

- Keep the VA from Assault

- She should be similar to how she was in Assault, but given a somewhat more major role.

For the others, I'm just gonna point you to Saphiria's awesome post

Those first two bulletins aren't really necessary given the third.

Second, you said exactly what OHedge did with no elaboration, sooo the whole thing ended up telling us nothing other than you're a Krystalfanboy who'll take any oppertunity he can to talk about. :troll:

[El Zorro de la Estrella]

Seriously, what is your issue with me?

I just posted about my fave SF character and how I'd like to see her progress in the series and you have to go out of your way to take a shot at me.

Yeah, I forgot a word in the 3rd point, but it was a small error.

Leave me alone.

[Gestalt]

I actually like krystal, too :D

[Psygonis]

I think was at the best of his VA/Personality in SFAd. Adventurous, with fun lines... He didn't have his team with him on the field so he didn't have to sound too serious and leader-like like in SF64. We see him dedicated, disappointed... envious...

So I think a mix between his SF64 leadership and SFAd. personality would be win.

Falco's harshness was better rendered in SF64 than in SFA, but his VA in the latter one added something kinda fun to him.

At the contrary, Peppy was waaaaay more epic in SFA. First of all, he stopped always talking about James, and his behavior was just winsauce!

Slippy's just Slippy, he's... kinda consistant throughout the series and I don't think it'd be expected to change anytime soon. Somehow, it'd be interesting to have him on board the Great Fox with Peppy (if we cross SFC storyline), a bit like a kind of James Bond's Q or a mad gunner trying to help! (Or at the opposite, trying to prevent Peppy from doing so... )

Krystal's SFA's brit accent was fine, but her personality... Huge work there! D:

I'm not even exactly sure how I'd see that fixed. She doesn't look like she's the dominative or even leading type, and she sux at sounding helpless...

The problem with her is that she tried to supercede Peppy, suxs at piloting like Slippy, and adds nothing to the gameplay (you know... telepath pilots... )

With Slippy in the Great Fox, she could be the gameplay-wise new Slippy (and Star Wolf wouldn't need any new character) but it'd be awkward, given her current personality (she's more useless and held back than always in distress in Assault).

Speaking of Star Wolf, I'm not fond of the philosophic spiky biker image they gave to Wolf. He's kind of blank in SF64 but it's fine, since he's just designated as the opposite merc leader. I'm not even sure he's clearly labeled as "Rival". Anyway, in the case it's implied he is, developing his relationship with Fox in SFA was a good idea, just kinda poorly done. So they should give it another try, better.

Anyhow, Wolf need to look ruthless, sharp and relentless, as a hardened merc doing preferably (even if we don't know about that) bad things.

Concerning Leon, he was storyline-wise relevant in SF64, since he was designated as James' torturer. Without that element, yeah, he's kind of a filler. He's underused I think. He could be a cunning helper for Wolf, instead of doing nothing in SFA. Him being prudent and crafty would be a very good improvement in the future games, if any.

Panther's not exactly a filler, he's Krystal's echo. The charm card, present to talk, more than to pilot efficiently. Doesn't add much to the game, but act as a balancement. He'd be interesting to see him interacting with other characters though, since his fancy talking skills have a good comedy potential.

If Falco stays in Star Fox, Katt'd be a nice addition for tagging along, not obligatory as a permanent team member. She was fine in SF64, not much to add there (just prayers to prevent her from crappy character development... ).

[KokoaMinto]

What, whiny and useless? Krystal's role in the team gameplay-wise needs to be something that does not conflict with Peppy, and her role story-wise needs to not just boil down to "the female one".

Star Wolf needs a fourth member to balance them out, and Panther and the theoretical new member need to have an actual function again in both story and gameplay that corresponds to their rival Star Fox member. Peppy and Pigma were related via story, Slippy and Andrew were related via skill (or lack therof), but now it's completely unbalanced. Star Wolf are a space outlaws, and they need to act like it. I don't know why they turned Star Wolf into a bunch of angels from Assault-forward, but these guys were not supposed to be good guys, and if they were, what is the point of having them alongside Star Fox? They need to be more antagonistic to balance out the heroes.

Wolf is rediculous right now in their attempt at making him "manly". I'm not sure what they were going for in the "goth biker" look in Brawl, or the "completely immobile spiked pupa casing" in Assault and Command. He just reeks of "trying too hard" and there's no reason for me to believe he's actually a badass. Peppy pulled more badass stunts than he did in Assault. The games just go OOO LOOKIT HOW BADASS HE IS but there's absolutely no reason for us to be intimidated by him, especially now that he's a "good guy".

Leon is okay but I want to know why he fits into the role of Falco's rival. He's always just seemed like a filler character, to be totally honest, as has Panther.

Andrew hasn't been used to his potential. He's Andross' nephew, but any development he could have gotten out of that was given to a NEW GODDAMN CHARACTER in Command, who was a plothole himself. I don't necessarily think Andrew needs to be SUPR COOL GRIMDARK, not at all, I like him as a somewhat comedic fail-villain, but there's opportunity there to play with his character. He idolizes his uncle, yet can't live up to who Andross was. He is the PERFECT foil for Fox in this regard, but this is never, ever acknowledged.

Katt was great in Lylat Wars. She was flirty, but didn't exist to solely be a love interest, and any "relationship" she could have had was never resolved. She was smart and tough, having stolen her ship from Andross himself, and was there to help you when you needed it. She was a great character and I wish we got more of that, instead of the pathetic Krystal-recolour they turned her into in Command.

Not much to say about Bill other than I wish we saw him more. Kool needs a different name. Pigma needs to not be a giant cube, because that's stupid.

Appearance-wise the characters really need to take a step back to a somewhat retro, grungier sci-fi look. The shiny sparkle space desu look of Assault was just not doing it for me. You could practically smell the exhaust in SF64, but Assault was far too pristine, especially for a bunch of mercenaries.

Also,

What? Your voice does not change that significantly once you become an adult. By your logic there, Peppy DE-AGED in the year between Adventures and Assault. The voice actors changed because those actors were the ones readily available to the companies producing the games. Steve Malpass was working for Rare. Jim Walker was working for Namco.

You're confusing "evolution" with "inconsistancy".

- About Krystal:

Well, that may be because I don't really like her in any of the other games, in Assault she was at least very helpful though you needed to save her ass sometimes.

- About the other characters:

I'll give you some credit there and mostly am the same meaning as you.

- About the voices:

I do know that Peppy de-aged from Adventures to Assault and I'm also aware of it that Steve Malpass and Jim Walker work for different companies, I have good ears for voice actors and can tell the differences. Nontheless, I don't think that you have the same voice like you had at about the age of 5. That's what I was talking about. Of course it was a more or less bad comparing there.

[Drasiana]

- About Krystal:

Well, that may be because I don't really like her in any of the other games, in Assault she was at least very helpful though you needed to save her ass sometimes.

She did absolutely nothing in Assault other than direct you to a stage that had nothing to do with the story. Her "gameplay function" equated to shouting the obvious ("Fox shoot those giant glowing lights on its body") and the rest of the time she was just whimpering over Fox.

Nontheless, I don't think that you have the same voice like you had at about the age of 5. That's what I was talking about. Of course it was a more or less bad comparing there.

None of the characters have been shown as 5 in the games. They are all of the maturity where their voice should not significantly change. Changing the voice actors is in no way attempting to add "realism" to the game.

[Scourge]

sooo the whole thing ended up telling us nothing other than you're a Krystalfanboy who'll take any oppertunity he can to talk about.

Good old Milky being milky..

Your starting to fight an uphill battle friend, the blue furred vixen army is starting to win.

Also, little side note here, i kinda feel like they only kept Krystal around as a fan service after adventures, and because we barely knew anything about her in adventures, she stayed a basic stock character in assault... and nobody counts command so.. yeah

[Gestalt]

A kicked back, not so quick to jump McCloud seems like it would be a nice edition.

[Prince Elite]

Command kinda screwed that.

Kryyyystaaaaaaal! Come back to meeeeeeeeeee!

By "Greater emotional range" i mean so he doesn't do this, and isn't head over heels for a woman, he seems to be a lovesick pup. He needs to evolve from that. Now get what i mean?

[Gestalt]

Slippy- let slippy be slippy

Falco- needs to be more of everyone's favorite BEE-OTCH

Krystal- ??? could care less (like the Brit. accent tho)

Fox: needs to be more bad-@SS like this:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=134954689898665&set=pu.127544070639727&type=1

Wolf: needs to be everyone's favorite super criminal (like me )

Peppy- DO A BARREL ROLL peppy again all the way- lol ;)

[TCPeppyTc]

For Wolf O' Donnol.. What do you guys think? Should be the narcissistic Captain hook type villain he was in Sf64? Or should he be the rough and tough anti hero he was in Assault?

I think Peppy should play more of a role ,and not be relegated to the Great Fox. Slippy is great, maybe have Falco downplay his brooklyn accent.

I also think Krystal should convert to fundamentalist Islam. That way she will wear a burqa all the time, and only stay in the great fox, and out of everyones hair. That way we can kind of " get rid of her" without actually doing so.

[Salem]

Falco- needs to be more of everyone's favorite BEE-OTCH

Krystal- (like the Brit. accent tho)

Fox: needs to be more bad-@SS like this:

http://www.facebook....70639727&type=1

Yes, yes and yes.

[Starwing_93]

^^ No, no and no

I'm not trying to shout down anybody in particular, but I really hate it when people want to turn Fox and Falco into the same hard faced, shit talking, jerk ass "badasses" that we seem to get in EVERY other game franchise. I know the characters lack defenition in their present forms, but there is something to build on without descending into every character cliche in the book.

With Falco, he comes across as a bit of a dick at times, but it's not his sole purpose as a character. I personally see Falcos douche fagishness as two things, the first is a possible lack of confidence he has in battle situations which leads to him compensate by being a dick to the one person he can hold accountable: his leader, Fox. The second idea is that it may just be Falcos style of camaraderie, maybe as a Brit I'm just used to sarcasm as a form of humour, I'm not sure, but Falco isn't a buly or jackass for the sake of it, they just need to possibly expand in exactly what has caused him to use these traits as a defence mechanism.

As for the Irwin Rathore interpretation of Fox... Just GTFO! Now please, we will not tarnish the good image of this forum with his self indulgent, uninspired bullshit.

Jokes aside, I don't see Fox as some ultimate badass or hard faced war veteran type. He's a young guy thrust into a good degree of difficult situations, but to me these just seem ample opportunity for him to mature as a leader and play off as an unlikely hero. After all, he is only 5"8 and of average build, he's just a Pilot, not a super soldier. Somewhere between Assaults professionalism and strong rapport with his team, and Adventures' cynicism/humour would be a nice balance. Fox needs to have some personal conflict shake him up visibly in the games, as a typical hero archetype is boring (Asssult), but at the same time it needs to act as a motivator rather than excuse for "look at me, I'm so tortured and misunderstood! Waaahhhh!"

[TCPeppyTc]

@starwing. Good idea on Fox. Falco is probably just insecure