TCPeppyTc Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 What do you guys think of the current uprisings in the Middle East? Many, including myself, are tempted to say they are all good, yet I myself am not totally on board. As bad as many of these dictators gone and going are (were) many seem to be more progressive/human rightsy than the people they govern. Moammar Qadaffi for example let women be anything they wanted ( including his smokin' bodyguards) forbade child marriages, forced marriage and polygamy, and helped USA interrogate Al-Qaeda members. IN Syria, the government is secular and protects Christian and Shia minorites as well as women ( they can do what they want). I fear that it is largely illberal forces fighting against them, and America may end upgetting screwed. Same can be said of Egypt as well. Waht do y'all think? And on sillier note, how would Star Fox Team handle middle east? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 By blowing things up and introducing instability because "they were evil lol" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Like we did in Iraq? Perhaps... so maybe they would be like NATO in Libya... Perhaps secure the middle east for Christian evangelism... It may be worth all the destruction if it turns out the Middle easternes gain acces to heaven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 uhm. ahahahaha No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Perhaps secure the middle east for Christian evangelism... It may be worth all the destruction if it turns out the Middle easternes gain acces to heaven... Invading a region so we can shove our own religious views - views that the USA as a country does not endorse, mind you - is stupid. They can believe whatever the hell they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faisul Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Hello, You have no idea what you're talking about. Goodbye! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faisul Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Actually, to clarify my stance on this, I would say that the OP has no idea what the middle east is, the underlying reasons for the Arab Spring, or what the level of western involvement in the region is. To be frank, this seems to me like a topic made for the Counter Point. Star Fox would bust in and kill Qaddafi of course EDIT: Access to heaven? You can't be serious. OP is a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 I was joking about the whole Christian thing of course. AS for Qadaffi, SF would have to shoot his hands, then his head before he spits out fireballs. Faisul, are you middle eastern? And unles I am mistaken, the Arab Spring is happening because of lack of opportunity, and lack of responsivness from dictators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nope. Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Perhaps secure the middle east for Christian evangelism... It may be worth all the destruction if it turns out the Middle easternes gain acces to heaven... Oh. Wait... Did I really read what I think I read? EDIT: Oh, nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Sergiroth, I didnt say it would happen per say, but if in the afterlife it turns out tobe true, at least we and Iraqis can say " At least some good came out of it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Oh yeah, we could totally look back on the good ol' days where we waged a religious crusade on them and killed until they agreed with us, condemning everyone who died a brutal war death to even further suffering in the afterlife! /sarcasm Unless, of course, their afterlife turns out to be the right one, and we condemn them to Hell by forcing them to abandon their original beliefs. Of course, that's assuming any religion is true in the first place. Yep, this is a well thought out plan right here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faisul Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 To answer your question, the Arab Spring has taken place because the autocracies of the region were unable to keep up with global developments in networking technology happening at the same time as the economies crashed and sent millions into unemployment or extreme poverty, along with sharp rises in prices for staple goods and services crucial for the survival of people in the region, and... and... To put it short, people got tired of the BS and decided to protest. The regimes got violent in response, people got violent right back. That's what happened in Libya. It's what's happening in Yemen and Syria as well, and Qatar has seen some action too. Look it up for yourself. It might even happen in America, sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 To put it short, people got tired of the BS and decided to protest. The regimes got violent in response, people got violent right back. That's what happened in Libya. It's what's happening in Yemen and Syria as well, and Qatar has seen some action too. Look it up for yourself. It might even happen in America, sometime. I hope not! even though it did in the 30's and 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticwaffles Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 i sure hope it does! Change is a good thing, even if it is through violent thing. I sure hope people are complaining about quality of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 By and large I think these revolts are a good thing. If nothing else, they change things, and probably will have governments that are held to some account by their people. However I cant help but wonder what is next. Will Libya respect peoples right to own opinons, or will fundamentalist shariah rule? Will Qadaffis laws guaranteeing women non discrimination in workplace be roled aside? What will happen to Christians in Syria and Egypt? These and other questions I hope will be answered, in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 At this point I should mention that "Qaddafi's laws guaranteeing women no discrimination" is a highly misleading phrase. Libya was no paradise for women's rights even in the Arab world; those laws were often contradicted by his own other statements, and there's always the question of enforcement. A law might as well not exist if no one enforces it. But even so, "Qaddafi's laws guaranteeing women no discrimination" does not in any way make up for the wholesale destruction he visited upon his own people in his quest to cling to power--including women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 That is true, Corporal " My Pretty Pony." I am somewhat playing devils advocate. While his womens rights may not have been put into practice, he was no theocrat. He may not have helped women, but he did not much to hinder them either ( i.e ban them from driving, force burka on them) My question is what is NTC like? probably will of the people, and thus probably better. I only hope it wont be so hard to get a visa to visit now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Heres my input. For the middle east situation has the US gov. made things better or worse over there (including NATO)? Does the US constitution authorize this at all? I don't think so. It looks to be an illegal war for 10 years since 9/11. Was 9/11 a justification to be there in the middle east? Also how well has the individual rights to economic rights lasted after 9/11? You can see TSA and DHS for example. It looks like they are high on steroids in keeping us safe from the boggy men in middle east that wants to destroy our country. And so many up rises and revolutions going on right now let those people battle it out themselves. Let them constitute their own government and laws to form their own republic. And side note from the SF team's response to Middle East: Fox: "Oh no sir, we prefer to do things our own way" Yes! Let those nations become sovereign and let them 'do things their own way' rather than NATO and the corrupt US gov telling them what to do. Better yet stop bombing and breaking them apart! Thats my input SF fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 What you think will happen in Libya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 @TCPeppyTc. It's been a while since posted here. In Libya I think NATO shouldn't messed around with Libya at all. And Gaddafi? Probably was a terrible man too. But their economy was better before this mess happened these last 12 months. People's standard of living was OK on average. But there was no need for the U.S or other governments to intervene with Libya. I say let the people reform their own government. Now Al qaeda group takes over Libya? Thats crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggsnipa Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Am I too late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Am I too late? Nope your not too late. Your welcome to input your thoughts on Libya or was the sniper rifle on stand by? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 jesse> The problem with Libya is that Gaddafi (what a strange way to spell his name! ) began to shoot at the civilians demonstrating in the streets for liberties. They called for help. It is a not a matter of having an individual vampirizing its own country over decades (it is touchy to get involved in other countries' fates), but that he violently clinged to power, using the military and mass-shooting at the civilians when they chose it was his time to go. NATO answered the distress of a people that called for help, in the move of carrying democratic values they share with it. That's a way more legitimate way to "insert democracy" in foreign countries than like... Afghanistan or Irak, just saying. (The fact that Libya also has lots of oil is purely coindental huh! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesseboyd7 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I agree with you Psygonis on the Gaddafi issue. I find something very fishy on the Al Qaeda group thats mind boggling. It may sound very crazy, Al Qaeda got support by NATO! http://my.telegraph.co.uk/clothcap/clothcap/16313728/libyagate-nato-arming-funding-terrorising-for-al-qaeda/ Plus you got NATO bombings on cities and on innocent civilians. So crazy. War is a terrible thing in human life. http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=81177 I don't know what else to express on NATO. NATO claims to be humanitarian. But what they are doing is so un-humanitarian. Bombs are un-humanitarian. This video clip of Infowars.com has well predicted the invasion of Lybia months ago plus even a few years ago during their video documentary Obama Deception when covering Africom (United States Africa Command). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ndI5Z0C2A&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL9EBF1D569A0C80AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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