TCPeppyTc Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Sorry Drasny. I thought it would tie into the subject of Homosexuals being discriminated against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The subject is more towards the topic of the right of minorities to profess their pride in a matter of ways; discrimintation within itself is a vast topic that would completely dominate this topic if we don't keep our eyes on the through-line here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Pretty much anything can become distasteful, it's not just limited to parades or demonstrations. Anyway, if White folks wanted to have a pride parade there's nothing from stopping them. As has been mentioned, it's kind of "normal." Sure, there could be a Normal People pride parade, but if you feel normal, chances are you haven't felt ostracized and don't feel the need to make people aware of your situation because there is none. Dunno about parades, but there have been numerous circumstances where white students have tried to make a white pride club in school, nothing racist, just white people getting together to do white people things, and they have been punished for it and the club unallowed. And on a more personal note, on the subject of being ostracized for being white, I've had that happen quite a bit through my schooling. Probably my favourite was where someone told me I couldn't sit on a bench at school because I wasn't Armenian. I don't mind people expressing pride in what they are, especially heritage, but it should be allowed for everyone, and as long as you're expressing pride in what you are, not "I am *insert subject here* and you are going to deal with it and LIKE IT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Dunno about parades, but there have been numerous circumstances where white students have tried to make a white pride club in school, nothing racist, just white people getting together to do white people things, and they have been punished for it and the club unallowed. That's kind of what I brought up before in the same thing happening with dA clubs. But then comes the silliness that is what constitutes "white people things", or things of any other race for that matter. Restricting clubs based on race in general is goofy; the only time it makes sense for me is if it's some matter of cultural club. Japanese kids wanting to hang out with other people that speak their language and are familiar with their country and culture is understandable, and it might be annoying if some little white girl screaming OMG UR SO KAWAII shoehorns herself into their club. However, there also exist Asian-descended kids that do not speak the language or understand the culture, so this whole "exclusive clubs omg~" stuff really doesn't make much sense when it's focused on skin colour alone. Even with white people, and going back to "white people things". White people live everywhere. What a white person in America experiences is not the same thing as what a white person in England may experience, so I'm not sure what "white people things" they'd do aside from sit there being caucasian together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I was actually joking about "white people things" just for the lulz, and the clubs were entirely voluntary to show pride in being a white person. Same with the other clubs, if you aren't very interested/versed in the culture, you don't join it. Problem is, however, that while other ethnicities can do so, if a white person tries to do it, it is instantly shot down by the school board and the people who attempted to start it are penalized. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 i sorta see whats going on here, sometimes racial/religious/cultural clashes occur. But really and truly we are all equal. Sometimes black kids get all high and mighty down here when national black historical month comes around. I don't lie here so i can't say i feel slightly offended when they talk about > :] freedom from whites and equal rights are stuff. but i am a very understanding person. i don't get mad, i don't act offended, and i generally except it as a good thing. Hey your ancestors got freedom and mine realized what they were doing was wrong. civil rights are a good thing ( btw my family actually isn't southern, my dad's and my mom's faimlys are both are from Pennsylvania to as far back as colonial times) and i am glad they happened. But i think as people we all want to feel a little pride in our self. weather that be from our race/religion or culture. So let them be proud of what they have achieved and were they are, but realize you can be proud of your self too. I am white a despite what anyone says i am proud of white people. heck we have done some good stuff. but no need to go out in public and rub it a black or Hispanic persons face. So have your parade, but be cautious not to offend others. in other words don't go celebrate a black civil rights party in the country were no doubt every one's ancestors were confederates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Vydrach: Oh, I wasn't arguing with you, just sort of adding on to what you said. I know you were joking about "white people things", but some people don't. AJC: I was sort of with you until this happened: So have your parade, but be cautious not to offend others. in other words don't go celebrate a black civil rights party in the country were no doubt every one's ancestors were confederates. What? Are you saying black people shouldn't celebrate the fact they have civil rights because it might offend the descendants of slave-owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Vydrach: Oh, I wasn't arguing with you, just sort of adding on to what you said. I know you were joking about "white people things", but some people don't. AJC: I was sort of with you until this happened: What? Are you saying black people shouldn't celebrate the fact they have civil rights because it might offend the descendants of slave-owners? no, not what i said. i knew my argument was a little unclear but i couldb't really make it unclear. what i am trying to say is don't go campaigning that you got your rights in an area where you know you will offend people and do it purposely. it would be like celebrating a Muslim holiday at ground zero. I personally don't have a problem with it, but it could be very offending to people who lost loved ones on 9/ 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 no, not what i said. i knew my argument was a little unclear but i couldb't really make it unclear. what i am trying to say is don't go campaigning that you got your rights in an area where you know you will offend people and do it purposely. it would be like celebrating a Muslim holiday at ground zero. I personally don't have a problem with it, but it could be very offending to people who lost loved ones on 9/ 11 Yeah, you know who lost loved ones on 9/11? Some Muslims. You're telling people who are black not to mention the fact that they have rights--you know, like sitting on the bus, drinking from the same water fountain as white people, voting, etc--around racists because it "might offend them". You're also comparing the comparatively-recent terrorist attack that killed tons of people to a social climate years upon years ago that allowed you to own other humans like animals. If this comparison made any amount of sense, it would be much more appropriate to compare the terrorists with the slave-owners, because they are the ones who caused suffering. How about racists just, like, not be racist? That way, people who can't change their skin colour simply to appease to a group of belligerant bigots don't have to be offended either! edit: This gets more rediculous the more I look at it. The purpose of pride celebrations, parades, and the like, are there as I have previously said to protest against bigotry and hatred. If you are saying that people should not be proud of who they are, particularily if they are some manner of repressed minority, because it could offend people, you are missing the point of why they are even showing their pride to begin with. edit 2: Am I the only one who gets "Be Prepared" stuck in their head every time I see this topic title? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Vydrach: Oh, I wasn't arguing with you, just sort of adding on to what you said. I know you were joking about "white people things", but some people don't. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Yeah, you know who lost loved ones on 9/11? Some Muslims. You're telling people who are black not to mention the fact that they have rights--you know, like sitting on the bus, drinking from the same water fountain as white people, voting, etc--around racists because it "might offend them". You're also comparing the comparatively-recent terrorist attack that killed tons of people to a social climate years upon years ago that allowed you to own other humans like animals. If this comparison made any amount of sense, it would be much more appropriate to compare the terrorists with the slave-owners, because they are the ones who caused suffering. How about racists just, like, not be racist? That way, people who can't change their skin colour simply to appease to a group of belligerant bigots don't have to be offended either! edit: This gets more rediculous the more I look at it. The purpose of pride celebrations, parades, and the like, are there as I have previously said to protest against bigotry and hatred. If you are saying that people should not be proud of who they are, particularily if they are some manner of repressed minority, because it could offend people, you are missing the point of why they are even showing their pride to begin with. edit 2: Am I the only one who gets "Be Prepared" stuck in their head every time I see this topic title? i agree completely, i was very aware that Muslims as well lost lives in 9/11. However, ever heard of playing it on the safe side? i for one wouldn't go over to Britain and hold a 4th of July parade and then give a speech about combating British oppression or how we combated them in 1812 and our patriotism. more or less i am saying be careful about how you celebrate things. Lets say up north there is a holiday for the confederacy's defeat. I'm sure it would be very respectable and well kept; however, if it came to the point of yanks going down south and saying "hey, we won the war! you suck!" and i have seen black liberty parades and such head this direction. Black friends of mine have literally said " freedom from the white devils and demons" . i was slightly offended. not because they got their freedom, but more because they seemed like they were boasting.....very hard to describe how i felt they were acting. another example was when Obama was elected, many of the black kids felt they had just gotten a victory over whites and went shouting around the halls" Obama! Obama!" I didn't really care which party or canadite had won, but i know that it really isn't appropriate to rub it in the face of another because they might have supported another canadite. Sure you can have a party for Obama, be happy your canidate won! but please keep in mind there are always others who may feel uncomfortable being told that they ancestors were raciest slave driving animals, or that your desc-dents were beaten, or even that your party of preference not elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 You are still saying people should not celebrate their pride and accomplishments because some people might get butthurt over it, which is insane, and again, completely defeats the purpose. A lot of people saw Obama's election as symbolic because America used to allow slavery, and yet they now have a black president. That's not saying "lol blax r soo bettr!" that's saying "Wow, look how far our country has come in acceptance of people regardless of skin colour". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 You are still saying people should not celebrate their pride and accomplishments because some people might get butthurt over it, which is insane, and again, completely defeats the purpose. A lot of people saw Obama's election as symbolic because America used to allow slavery, and yet they now have a black president. That's not saying "lol blax r soo bettr!" that's saying "Wow, look how far our country has come in acceptance of people regardless of skin colour". no, let me make this clear, HAVE THE PARADE! its very GOOOD, but don't turn it into some " we have a black president so blacks are the best now, XD not all people are like that but i have seen it go that way which is really a shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 That's again something that just stems from people being assholes. That also still doesn't explain your arguement that black people shouldn't mention black pride around racists in case it "offends" them :/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 That also still doesn't explain your arguement that black people shouldn't mention black pride around racists in case it "offends" them well its not that they shouldn't, its more like they should becarful racists ussaly are scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 To quote Xort from that other topic, That sort of thinking is ridiculous. Imagine if all of Martin Luther King Jr.'s speeches were just waved away under the premise that giving them equal rights would piss of white ponies and thus put them in danger. Hey, better for them to be oppressed and kept in a box than sorry, right? Not expressing your happiness with yourself because of what other people might do goes directly against your pride in it to begin with. People hold gay pride parades because they want people to realize that it's okay to be gay. They aren't all hiding their sexuality despite all the harassment and even murders that stem from homophobia, because those are the very things they are trying to stamp out by making their presence known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 To quote Xort from that other topic, Not expressing your happiness with yourself because of what other people might do goes directly against your pride in it to begin with. People hold gay pride parades because they want people to realize that it's okay to be gay. They aren't all hiding their sexuality despite all the harassment and even murders that stem from homophobia, because those are the very things they are trying to stamp out by making their presence known. just be the crap carful, often civil rights activist were beatin or attacked, got to be smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 That's true, but if anything came out of it, it was belief in their cause and proof that racism and homophobia are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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