Arwing designs debate

[Guest Nicky Tonik]

Well, there's that, too. Then there's the strain of reentry through the atmosphere...

[ArwingMaster]

Anti-force. Please take it as it is.

But what is the "force?" The only force that would make sence there is gravity, unless its gravity wih other things as well.

It is stated in other areas that The F-Zero racers are unique in having G-Diffusers. While we see in the Story Mode of GX that personal vehicles also float.

Right, and all the ones that have G-diffusers still float, its possible that the personal ones have G-diffusers either illegally or bought at a high price.

Now did Nintendo make a continuity error or does the G-Diffuser actually do what it is stated to do in StarFox canon, and that is, remove the stresses and G-forces exerted at high speeds?

Not sure. Perhaps both. If we take it as the ones in GX or the same, then it allows the ship to float, and removes the stresses and G-forces. Which would also be benifical to the racers.

Are you sure they're reliable and not just really weird translations? That happens all too often, where information is skewed by bad translating.

Yep, they are offical after all. Even if mistranslated it must be taken as fact. It still makes sence either way.

... You know you're a damned geek when you're up at three in the bloody morning discussing the physics and aerospacial capabilities of a fictional vehicle.

Well thank you for being right here beside us

You'll never admit to yourself that people on BIR, OTG, TSW, SHQ, and even HERE hated you before I even said a word.

I disagree, really no negative feelings on here. he's cool.

[Guest Nicky Tonik]

No negative feelings that *you* know of.

And I fully admit that I'm a geek.

[Conall Drest]

And, uh... Why SHOULD Adventures canon count? It's... Well, it's not really a Star Fox game in its entirety. It's a rehash of a scrapped Rare game and a hastily compiled Star Fox game. What did we get as a result? The skanky, blue-furred monstrosity that's wa--... Well, let's just say that I really dislike that character. I never thought that we'd see the rise of a character who is more useless than even SLIPPY.

Agreed 100% espescially what you think of Krystal. Good to see some more people who dislike adventures as a starfox game and wish the series would return to its original ways before Krystal ruined it.

[ONE_HELLCAT]

Agreed 100% espescially what you think of Krystal. Good to see some more people who dislike adventures as a starfox game and wish the series would return to its original ways before Krystal ruined it.

Tell me, if Krystal wasn't in Adventures or Assault, would the gameplay and poor story really change at all?

Come on Lupine, where are these mad debate skills you told me of? You told me you were going to defeat Zicka here, yet the only post you make has no relation to the debate. You only hate Krystal because you feel like a fool for liking her and because you hate those at the KLA. And now you're off obsessing over another character, and once you're through with her you're going to end up hating her too.

[ArwingMaster]

hey all, we're discussing how realistic/ not realisitic the ships are. Not if Krystal was a good character or if the stories are bad.

[Conall Drest]

It would have been a lot better cause Krystal does not really have a place on the starfox team cause shes in a primitive society for one thing and shes not even a pilot to begin with. Even the old starfox SNES comics would make a better canon than adventures cause they at least make sense and fit into the story. Assault would have been a lot better if adventures had not been released cause then they would have put effort into the game rather than make it seem rushed. Starfox 2 IMO is better than assault and adventures 100 times over I just wish it was a bit more challenging. Miyu and Fay would have made good replacements for Krystal plus they at least are pilots (plus Miyu's tomboyish attitude would make a good character for the team) unlike Krystal who is mearly a damsel in distress nearly every time in both assault and adventures.

EDIT: Make a seperate topic for debating over Krystal for or against cause it does not really fit into this topic much

[Zicka]

But what is the "force?" The only force that would make sence there is gravity, unless its gravity wih other things as well.

Force of acceleration, With a ship that can do high maneuvers at speeds access of Mach 4, and that fact they do not wear pressure suits. The G-Diffusre would have to do something to keep them from passing out.

Right, and all the ones that have G-diffusers still float, its possible that the personal ones have G-diffusers either illegally or bought at a high price.

Really? Because that would be pretty conspicuous when an entire street is full of repulsorlift cars.

It is already established that the F-Zero universe has levitation technology. The G-Diffusers simply eliminate the forces exerted on the racers, That's why they are able to go so fast.

Not sure. Perhaps both. If we take it as the ones in GX or the same, then it allows the ship to float, and removes the stresses and G-forces. Which would also be benifical to the racers.

It is never stated that the F-Zero ones allow the ships to float, just that they can race at very high speeds.

And, uh... Why SHOULD Adventures canon count? It's... Well, it's not really a Star Fox game in its entirety. It's a rehash of a scrapped Rare game and a hastily compiled Star Fox game. What did we get as a result? The skanky, blue-furred monstrosity that's wa--... Well, let's just say that I really dislike that character. I never thought that we'd see the rise of a character who is more useless than even SLIPPY.

I don't like Adventures any more than you do. But Its canon is integrated into the SarFox storyline, so we have to take it as fact, weather we like it or not.

That would be like not accepting Star Wars Episode 1 as canon because you don't like Jar Jar.

[ArwingMaster]

Force of acceleration

which can be dangerous because GRAVITY pulls on you. therefore the G-diffuser would have to diffuse gravity.

It is never stated that the F-Zero ones allow the ships to float, just that they can race at very high speeds

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Its also not stated that the G-diffuser is what allows them to do that. Its the micro-plasma engines as stated in the guide.

It is already established that the F-Zero universe has levitation technology. The G-Diffusers simply eliminate the forces exerted on the racers, That's why they are able to go so fast.

The manual never said that. The leviation is never explained in such broad terms. However it does say it is caused by the G-diffuser system. It does BOTH, enabling the ship to fly and reduces the affects of acceleration. the manual said: this "An antigravity unit known as the "G-Diffuser System" allows F-Zero machines to drive at hyper speed while hovering just inches above the track."

First off "Anti-gravity unit known as," which is an introduction meaning the next term is its name, "G-diffuser system". Cleary stating the G-diffuser system is an anti-gravity device. It "allows F-Zero machines to drive at hyper speed while hovering just inches above the track." The while is in the placve of an and, meaning the G-diffuser does both fuctions at the same time. Since its an anti-gravity device, it allows the ship to hover inches off the ground. It also does what Zicka says and reduces the stresses put on the pilot at high speeds AT THE SAME TIME it's making the ship float.

[Zicka]

which can be dangerous because GRAVITY pulls on you. therefore the G-diffuser would have to diffuse gravity.

Not just gravity, but other forces as well.

Its also not stated that the G-diffuser is what allows them to do that. Its the micro-plasma engines as stated in the guide.

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Okay, I seriously hope you are joking. It's not a form of propulsion, it allows the driver's body to not be crushed by the extreme forces.

It is already established that the F-Zero universe has levitation technology. The G-Diffusers simply eliminate the forces exerted on the racers, That's why they are able to go so fast.

The manual never said that. The leviation is never explained in such broad terms. However it does say it is caused by the G-diffuser system. It does BOTH, enabling the ship to fly and reduces the affects of acceleration. the manual said: this "An antigravity unit known as the "G-Diffuser System" allows F-Zero machines to drive at hyper speed while hovering just inches above the track."

There are other canon sources than just the manual, you know. Like in game footage of commercial transports and private cars levitating.

If the G-diffuser could do both things they would have put "and" in there instead. "while" does not replace it. It tells the reader that hovering is a seperate function.

"The Arwings Revolutionary G-diffuser system generates a force field that protects the ship from enemy fire and from the stresses of high-speed aerobatics".

It's clearly stated here that the G-Diffuser does little more than greate a force field against the pull of gravity, acceleration, and enemy fire.

The Landmaster tank also has a G-Diffuser system, so why can't it float?

Don't try to substitute another universe's canon for another

[DZComposer]

Okay, that's enough.