Gestalt Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 C'mon lets face its... the Cornerian Goverment System SUCKS!!! But WHY?? They obviously have boat loads of cash just laying around to pay Team Star Fox and to put insane bounties out on the intergalatic gang Star Wolf...They have MASSIVE armadas of galatic criusers we find out can be transported to any known location via dat huge @$$ teleportation station right in their FRONT DOOR!!!...Then to top that--they have even went so far as to strategically place army outpost in every corner of the galaxy... Here's the rest:They have some of the smartest scientist in the galaxy (Andross, Beltino) Home to the Industry that created the Arwing... real-time communication across the galaxy... plus an apparently infinate amount of canine soldiers... Yet it never fails....without Star Fox lylat would be a waste land... When Andross initailly set out to take over Lylat it was because he knew that corneria alone could not control Lylat effectively...well its seems as tho he was right in this respect Why do YOU think Corneria seems so helpless?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psygonis Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Well, if they were an efficient army, sure they wouldn't need Star Fox anymore... So no more games! ... Wait a minute, maybe that's why! XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Jedi0 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You have to take into consideration that there may be political influence involved. As a governing body, it is the duty of Corneria to maintain peace and order in the system, but with so many spread out amoungst so many planets, this may prove difficult. When Lylat is attacked by an internal force, the first instinct of many politicians, I think, is to find a diplomatic solution, thus a strong military presense is not truly there while defending the citizens from attack. When Lylat is attacked by an external force, the politicians turn to the military leaders on how to combat the situation, but must also keep in mind the saftey and well being of the citizens, so the military may not be at full strenght as they juggle their duty to defend and their duty to protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureox Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 You should also take into consideration that it is a video game about space animals blowing each other up in space ships :P 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 I can understand that first off we wouldn't have a game without corneria's incompetence...BUT I think they went a little to far with trying to convicne the audience that corneria needs extra help...I mean the U.S. employ's mercs. all the time to handle the off the books-- dirty work. With Corneria its a totally different thing tho...every time you turn around their capital is in ruins...Its like, without the help Team Star Fox the Cornerian army COULD NOT make a stand....Rather than Star Fox only helping out--Star Fox is actually taking control of the situation for Corneria BUT in the famous quoutes of Fureox above i guess we must take into account that "it is [ just ] a video game about space animals blowing each other up in space ships " after all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Jedi0 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I prefer the quote "I reject your reality and substitute my own." According to the "Many Worlds" interpetation, a universe in which the events of Star Fox are actually happening exists, so I put a lot of thought to the question as if the world really exists. Also, I reject your reality and substitute my own. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 They exist in a cartoon-esque two dimensional video game world where 4 bums in experimental jetplanes can take on the whole galaxy and win. That's what's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 :hijacked: lets assume that the SF realm is real for a second... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 But it's not. Moreover, to assume it's real even for the sake of argument is to bring up so many bizarre contradictions and absurdities that you're really better off not assuming that it's real and regarding Corneria's perennial military suckitude as a plot device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 But it's not. Moreover, to assume it's real even for the sake of argument is to bring up so many bizarre contradictions and absurdities that you're really better off not assuming that it's real and regarding Corneria's perennial military suckitude as a plot device. aah...absurdities and such is the reason i bother getting on this website...I love to ponder on exactly what the game-writers where smoking when they submitted this plot line... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 lets assume that the SF realm is real for a second... Then we could assume that a lot of things would be different, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 They weren't smoking anything (or, well, if they were, it wasn't showing up in their work). It's an entirely workable and reasonable plotline: the regular military contracts out to some well-equipped, talented mercenaries when they find themselves being overwhelmed. That they keep going back to that well over and over again isn't a problem with the plotline, it's a problem with the writers not thinking of any new plotlines. And if you're willing to suspend your disbelief enough to accept at face value all the other absurdities of the Star Fox universe, refusing to accept this one is just kind of pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Corneria's failure as a military power only began to feel pathetic at Assault, and a good chunk of that is because of their terrible AI and derpy dialogue whining about how Fox was DA ONLEE HOEP!!! every three seconds. I never felt Corneria was doing that poorly in 64. Given the campy setting and the near-superhero setup we had for the Star Fox team to begin with, I could easily believe that these guys were needed to win AND I rooted for them. What 64 had going for it in that regard is that there was an emotional reason for why Star Fox had to be the ones to defeat Andross, and that of course is the whole "succession of James" thing. Fox needed to defeat Andross because he not only was an exceptional pilot in the physical story, but because it's what he needed to do to avenge his father and follow in his footsteps. There was no real emotional end goal in Assault, and the game pathetically compensated by having the need for Star Fox's success stem from the shortcomings of the Cornerians, rather than the drive coming from Star Fox themselves (as it should be). What Uno said about the writers not being "on anything" and just being stale is correct (though to think the Anglars were a good idea might have involved some illicit substances). The "follow in his father's footsteps" arc was fulfilled in 64, and they haven't bothered exploring the characters in any other realm. You need both a physical goal and an emotional goal for visually-presented stories to work, even in something as simple as it was in 64. also bla bla active protagonists turning point arcs narrative bla bla but yeah as much as a tangent that may have seemed, it's really just an example of how all the glaring narrative flaws of the series are pretty interconnected and how you can't hand-wave away certain issues when they in fact stem from much larger issues edit: okok i might have been drinking and keep thinking i'm not making sense so i'm going to try to break dowm my point here TL;DR The Cornerian Army sucks because the story needs justification as to why they need to keep calling Star Fox back to fight their battles for them. However, this is a lazy way to do so and the need for Star Fox's involvement should be primarily out of some form of emotional commitment on their part instead of a "do this because we say so" story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I second that, Dras. Though it is a possibility that the Cornerian army was actually doing things off screen. Like it may have been on planets team starfox was not on. It is possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Corneria fights back, they just normally SUCK or have some enormous bio weapon or ship of some kind shoved down their throat that gives Venom the advantage. But wait! Corneria has a edge of their own, its known as THE ONLY PILOT CAPIBLE OF KILLING MORE THAN 3 FIGHTERS IN A SINGLE SECTOR KNOWN AS EVERYONE'S FAVORITE PROTAGONIST: Also: Corrnerian Government = shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Does Pepper lead government like military dictator (like qadaffi) or i wonder if Corneria is actual democracy? Either way irrelevent to gameplay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Does Pepper lead government like military dictator (like qadaffi) or i wonder if Corneria is actual democracy? Either way irrelevent to gameplay... I Do believe Corneria is a federation...all the planets run themselves but are united by a single army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Does Pepper lead government like military dictator (like qadaffi) or i wonder if Corneria is actual democracy? Either way irrelevent to gameplay... What is with this obsession you have with comparing Pepper to this Qadaffi guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwing_93 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Does Pepper lead government like military dictator (like qadaffi) or i wonder if Corneria is actual democracy? Either way irrelevent to gameplay... That point has been made before, and I myself was quite dubious at all the giant posters of Pepper stuck around Corneria City in 64, but alas, Assaut says otherwise. I recall that somewhere in Assault, it may have been in the instruction manual or in game, I cant remember, that Corneria has an actual elected civillian government, but any have been thrown by all the images of Pepper, I guess its supposed to be Uncle Sam esque propaganda. Why does Corneria suck though? Im not sure, one thing that i've always been thrown by is the fact that every pilot (at least in Bulldog and Husky) have absolutely no idea what they are doing any off the time, yesterday I was playing 64 3D and one of them tried to tail me for a good 10-15 seconds before backing off. Of course in reality its the AI programming, but me and my friend used to always joke about the quality of fight training that Corneria offers. My personal theory was that the training mode in the game is actually the complete basic training for Cornerian fighter pilots, pass the training mission without being shot out of the sky, and congratulations, here are your wings! I joke of course, but it does seem like the Cornerian Air Force have a pretty high turnover rate. Think about this: Bill and Fox were at the Academy together, and by the Lylat Wars Bill is already a dual squadron leader; lets presume he and Fox are roughly the same age (18/19 ish) and have the same training, so how the hell is it that the CDF's most qualified and senior pilots are still teenagers? I bring up the point again, most are probaby so incompetent they've been blown out the sky before they even hit 20! I digress of course, it is a game, if Corneria didn't suck, there would be no need for a game, or no Star Fox team at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 I digress of course, it is a game, if Corneria didn't suck, there would be no need for a game, or no Star Fox team at least. Plenty of armies use/need mercenaries to aid the situaition, SO there could still be a SF realm that has a more "efficient" Cornerian army Point is...have YOU ever actually seen Corneria winning a battle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shaper Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Point is...have YOU ever actually seen Corneria winning a battle?? At the beginning of Assault they were seen doing a bang up job against Oikonny's forces. The only reason they retreated was to lessen the damage they took from that swarm of missiles fired by the Stealth ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 At the beginning of Assault they were seen doing a bang up job against Oikonny's forces. The only reason they retreated was to lessen the damage they took from that swarm of missiles fired by the Stealth ships. Anymore?? cuz they totally could have taken that fire power to the apariod homeworld..BUT did they?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shaper Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Anymore?? cuz they totally could have taken that fire power to the apariod homeworld..BUT did they?? Peppy lead the remainder of the Cornerian Fleet against the Aparoids at their homeworld yes. But he appearantely retreated once they lost 20% of their ships. Then he crashed the Great Fox into that barrier and, well you know the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 I Agree...we saw some progress with Corneria in Assualt...BUT they still were portrayed horribly in SF64 amd SF:Adventures I never played command tho was Corneria any better in it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 it is rather weird that you expect Corneria to do all the work for you in your video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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