Starwing_93 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I dont think anybody is complaining that they want the AI to play the game for them, it's more a case of lazy writing that an entire army on more than one occasion have had to be bailed out by a team of four mercenaries, for the case of a plot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Yeah. Trying to explain away the Cornerian Army's suckage as anything more than lazy writing is futile, because that's what it is. There isn't any significant technological or societal reason for the Cornerians to be as pathetic as they are, that would imply that the writers (who with the exception of SF64 went uncredited for apparently good reason) actually put thought into the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 C'mon lets face its... the Cornerian Goverment System SUCKS!!! But WHY?? They obviously have boat loads of cash just laying around to pay Team Star Fox and to put insane bounties out on the intergalatic gang Star Wolf...They have MASSIVE armadas of galatic criusers we find out can be transported to any known location via dat huge @$$ teleportation station right in their FRONT DOOR!!!...Then to top that--they have even went so far as to strategically place army outpost in every corner of the galaxy... Here's the rest:They have some of the smartest scientist in the galaxy (Andross, Beltino)Home to the Industry that created the Arwing...real-time communication across the galaxy...plus an apparently infinate amount of canine soldiers... Yet it never fails....without Star Fox lylat would be a waste land... When Andross initailly set out to take over Lylat it was because he knew that corneria alone could not control Lylat effectively...well its seems as tho he was right in this respect Why do YOU think Corneria seems so helpless?? The points I am about to make may have been stated already, but meh. I don't feel like reading the whole thread. Firstly, your point about money. A government controlling as much territory as an entire solar system WILL have lots of money to spend, and plenty of things to spend it on. Also, to control that much territory, you need a military. Now, why is this military weak an ineffective? Well, as pointed-out earlier, it is kind of hard to have Star Fox if the army can solve its own problems. Though, for an in-universe explanation, I like to think of what is seen in the games being only Star Fox's involvement in the conflicts, IE Star Fox took out the right targets to allow the Cornerians to advance. But, that is merely fan speculation on my part and I have nothing to back that up. Also, I'm sure the Cornerians have their own political issues. Nothing in the canon tells us what they are, but it is an inevitability. Even tiny countries have politics. I like to think Corneria has a constitutional republican (that's lowercase-r republican) government and has the political diversity that comes with that. Perhaps the political will for a strong military doesn't exist, but once-again that is merely fan speculation on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 What about the arwings experimental g diffuser system? perhaps that makes arwings more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 DZ, you don't have to be such a politically correct libbie that you have to specify what sort of republicans you're talking about Personally I like seeing Cornerian as an authoritarian military dictatorship sort of deal. Because giving generally regarded as bad political structures to the good guys is fun and more interesting than HEROES HAVE DEMOCRACIES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 General Pepper = Emperor Palpatine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Heroes always are from democracies, love football, Jesus and apple pie. Isnt it always the case? :troll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemms Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 They exist in a cartoon-esque two dimensional video game world where 4 bums in experimental jetplanes can take on the whole galaxy and win. That's what's wrong. This needs to change. Someone should hire Ronald D. Moore to write the next Star Fox game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Elite Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Well tactically perhaps Andross' army is capable of planetary domination, but they weren't prepared for the 4 most skilled people to invade. It's like the Death Star, one man got past all the defences and actually destroyed te thing, but no capital ship could have. (but mostly it's because of game playability and such) Also maybe Andross caught them on the hop, a system wide synchronized invasion, all the chaos needed to make a successful takeover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 What I gather from the SF community— The Cornerian government SUCKS because… the writers obviously were trippin’ on acidIt makes an AWESOME gameAND some political issues may have taken place off-screenGeneral Pepper’s work ethic is equal to that of Muammar Gaddafithe Cornerians have settled on some sort of Dictorialistic Constitutionally Republican DemocracySomeone should hire Ronald D. Moore to write the next Star Fox game...Starfox is nothing more than cartoon-esque two dimensional video game world where 4 bums in experimental jetplanes can take on the whole galaxy and win. And finally I shouldn’t bother asking the question because…â€Moreover, to assume it's real even for the sake of argument is to bring up so many bizarre contradictions and absurdities that you're really better off not assuming that it's real and regarding Corneria's perennial military suckitude as a plot device.†Oh Yeh… and this one… “And if [i’m] willing to suspend [my] disbelief enough to accept at face value all the other absurdities of the Star Fox universe, refusing to accept this one is just kind of pedantic.†Sorry there Uno, I guess misunderstood what the General Star-Fox board was meant for… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well tactically perhaps Andross' army is capable of planetary domination, but they weren't prepared for the 4 most skilled people to invade. It's like the Death Star, one man got past all the defences and actually destroyed te thing, but no capital ship could have. (but mostly it's because of game playability and such) Also maybe Andross caught them on the hop, a system wide synchronized invasion, all the chaos needed to make a successful takeover. very possible, remember andross has beened banned to a seemingly lifeless planet. and only a short while later he attacks with a massive force, i assume it to be larger then anything the cornerians had, and over runs every thing. i for one would have never presumed the attack, the same with the apariods and the anglars. they poped right out of the darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 well, see, Lord O Donnell, that way you spare yourself a whole lot of bashing your head against the wall trying to figure out something not even the writers cared about enough to figure out. 'cuz, y'know, it's a plot device. you're supposed to accept it for the sake of the story and move on. if you want a world full of details, where this sort of thing gets fleshed out, you are simply barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 well, see, Lord O Donnell, that way you spare yourself a whole lot of bashing your head against the wall trying to figure out something not even the writers cared about enough to figure out. 'cuz, y'know, it's a plot device. you're supposed to accept it for the sake of the story and move on. if you want a world full of details, where this sort of thing gets fleshed out, you are simply barking up the wrong tree. while its true that this is somthing we can never conclud on it doesn't mean it isn't somthing we can make presumptions and ideas on. Thats is after all one of the funnest things to do (speculate) when the answer isn't clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 while its true that this is somthing we can never conclud on it doesn't mean it isn't somthing we can make presumptions and ideas on. Thats is after all one of the funnest things to do (speculate) when the answer isn't clear FINALLY SOMEONE WHO CATCHES MY DRIFT... !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCPeppyTc Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Perhaps Peppr just had full confidence in Starfox, and did not want to patronize them, by helping in any meaningful way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 No offense, but that's a stupid justification. If the fate of Corneria was at stake, I'm sure the freaking General of their armies would be much more worried about winning the war than he would be about offending some mercenaries that he'd hired. He wouldn't just let them do their own thing and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shaper Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 No offense, but that's a stupid justification. If the fate of Corneria was at stake, I'm sure the freaking General of their armies would be much more worried about winning the war than he would be about offending some mercenaries that he'd hired. He wouldn't just let them do their own thing and hope for the best. Add to that the General has told Star Fox how he wants tasks to be done in the past., so I don't think he cares about them doing it their way if he has a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 while its true that this is somthing we can never conclud on it doesn't mean it isn't somthing we can make presumptions and ideas on. not really, no. there is virtually no guidance on this subject from the Star Fox games. so there is no way of actually presuming anything. hence, we've seen all kinds of suggestions in this thread, that Corneria is a democracy, a dictatorship, a republic, and then there's TCPeppy's weird obsession with Muammar Qaddafi. none of those ideas is any more or less valid than any other--so it's impossible to actually come to a conclusion unless you can somehow argue everyone else into believing your conclusion, and that's not very likely. so, if you're really looking for depth in Star Fox, write a fanfic. you're not gonna find it in the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 i think he didn't really want to have to use his ace in the hole (star fox) at first . you notice that its no intill general pepper's forces seem completly expended does he call for them. what a party pooper uno. we are pretty much throwing crap at the wall right now. and guess what i and a few other members seem to be enjoying it even if we get no where. and trust me we are getting no where. the point isn't a conclusion. we arn't working towords one. we are all just stating our ideas and debating weather they are possible or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gestalt Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Lets all be freinds, guys :friends: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggsnipa Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ever heard of the fall of Rome? 1.Corrupt and disorganized politicians 2.Dependence on Mercenaries 3.Their empire is too fucking huge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 what a party pooper uno. we are pretty much throwing crap at the wall right now. and guess what i and a few other members seem to be enjoying it even if we get no where. and trust me we are getting no where. the point isn't a conclusion. we arn't working towords one. we are all just stating our ideas and debating weather they are possible or not. uhhhhhh yes you are. the point of this thread to find an answer. in fact, that's the entire point of "stating our ideas and debating weather they are possible or not." on the other hand, if there is no point to this thread, then why is it still open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Sorry there Uno, I guess misunderstood what the General Star-Fox board was meant for… okay here's the thing There is an ocean of difference between exploring a vast and thriving imaginary world created for the purpose of discovery and speculation, and lying awake at night because something doesn't make sense in a game that not even the writers want to admit they wrote. Star Fox is not Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter, or Star Wars. And I'm sorry if saying that hurts your feelings, but it's your fault if you find me to be a party-pooper because I and a couple others have a different method of explaining the problem that you brought up to begin with--that we have no obligation to discuss in the first place, but we felt like it, because there was enough interest in the topic either positive or negative to concoct a post about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Having a fan-speculative idea on things that are not in the canon is fine. I have many myself. But, you also need to recognize that such speculation is just that: speculation. And a reminder of that is sometimes needed. That said, I'm not fond of the idea of implying that people shouldn't share their ideas. This is a discussion community, as such, those kinds of implications are counterproductive. If we limited our discussion to what is canon, then we're in for really boring discussion, considering how little canon Star Fox actually has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zorro de la Estrella Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ever heard of the fall of Rome? 1.Corrupt and disorganized politicians 2.Dependence on Mercenaries 3.Their empire is too fucking huge I feel this post got overlooked. Snipa you seem to have hit the nail right on the head for what could be (one of) the most likley cause(s) for what's wrong with Corneria. Also, it adds just that much more to the mythos/universe if you look at it this way. Great analysis and comparison dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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