Drasiana Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The entire "isn't it nice to see pro-gun news" thing, probably The point I've been making since the beginning of this topic is not GUNS ARE THE DEVIL'S STEELY INCARNATE, it's been "huh this is a cool story but calling it pro-gun is kind of a stretch". Because it is. The gun does not get the keys to the city or to shake hands with Superman or whatever because a trained professional happened to use it in a bizarre incident. And yes, that was the quote. The statement "I love when pro gun news happens" directly followed by the statement "what do you think of this news (that i believe to be pro gun)" demonstrates a clear linkage to intended discussion. No one at any point has "jumped down his throat", everyone is just giving a complete batshit response over the fact that I personally did not see the article as being "pro-gun" to begin with. I sincerely apologize if I in any way have hurt the feelings of any gun present in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The entire "isn't it nice to see pro-gun news" thing, probably The point I've been making since the beginning of this topic is not GUNS ARE THE DEVIL'S STEELY INCARNATE, it's been "huh this is a cool story but calling it pro-gun is kind of a stretch". Because it is. The gun does not get the keys to the city or to shake hands with Superman or whatever because a trained professional happened to use it in a bizarre incident. And yes, that was the quote. The statement "I love when pro gun news happens" directly followed by the statement "what do you think of this news (that i believe to be pro gun)" demonstrates a clear linkage to intended discussion. No one at any point has "jumped down his throat", everyone is just giving a complete batshit response over the fact that I personally did not see the article as being "pro-gun" to begin with. I sincerely apologize if I in any way have hurt the feelings of any gun present in this discussion. I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW DRAS THAT MY BROTHER'S SKS IS VERY OFFENDED BY YOU. but its ok because its chinese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 we need to stop this racism towards guns, damn it guns should never be forced to stand on the bus or made to drink from seperate water fountains; they deserve equal treatment, in real life AND in the media! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Milky, Xort, and yourself seemed to be rather on him about it, hence why I said "jumping down his throat." Whether unintentional or a misunderstanding on my part, that's how it seemed. I also don't know what "everyone" you speak of, given it's been only me and Arashikage, and all I was saying was that I do not think his entire point was that the story was about guns. I honestly read the final two sentences as, "It's nice to see guns in the news in a story that's not gun hate. What do you think of this story as a whole?" Which is why I put my statement, which had nothing to do with firearms, something that should speak volumes what with how little it takes to get me to talk about them. If I read it otherwise, I'd of said something myself. I also wasn't accusing you of claiming guns are pure evil and devil incarnate, but the media does that, but fails to point out the the gun is a mindless tool, and anything and everything it does is caused by the action and will of the ones using it. As the saying goes, "All technology is inherently neutral, it is when used by man that it becomes truly good or evil." Firearms are no different than automobiles (and before someone says they aren't even close, keep in mind that by law, automobiles are considered lethal weapons). If everyone follows all the safety rules and guidelines, and everything goes legally, then barring a mechanical failure, no one should get harmed in any way. Someone decides to be a dumb ass and/or do something illegal, and someone can wind up seriously injured or dead. Also, now you're just being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 well, gee, taking an unrelated story and trying to crowbar a political agenda into it is kind of tacky and distasteful... and hey, oh look, there you go trying to do it too oh yeah and I honestly read the final two sentences as, "It's nice to see guns in the news in a story that's not gun hate. What do you think of this story as a whole?" that is an embarrassingly unreasonable reading of those two sentences. you are adding a phrase in there that completely alters the meaning of the two sentences and is clearly not supported by the context just to backtrack your way out of a hole. it's ridiculously disingenuous. so we're back to Arashikage--and now, you--trying to crowbar an unrelated political agenda into what was a nice cool human interest "hey isn't this guy a hero" kinda story. which is, you know, tacky and distasteful. and that brings us back to where "we should all have guns because you never know when you'll have to shoot out the windows of a car to rescue children from a freezing river" was implied, i.e. this entire thread and the purpose for which Arashikage started it, and now we come full circle, it's the circle of life, and it moves us all, through despair and hope, through faith and love, 'til we find our place, on the path unwinding, in the circle of life, the circle of life and the best part is, if you wanted to randomly flog the cult of firearms horse again, there are actually better stories in the news that you could have used! but really that's just one of those private delights i take in these dumb internet arguments in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Talking about guns being racially discriminated is silly? By god you heartless bastard, take seriously the plights that I profess to the wise and just knights of the internet Speaking of knights, you're white-knighting for something that doesn't really need white-knighting and jumping to inane conclusions based on the fact that I have argued with you about guns before. Funny, it's almost as if someone here is jumping to some pretty tough conclusions based on my simple statement of "well, no, I DON'T think this is pro-gun" , even though it's for the same reason I don't think any "driver killed in accident" story is "anti-car". Again, it's really funny how despite the gun being a "mindless tool" there's a handful of you so eager to jump to the defense of said mindless tool with the melodramatic plead for more "pro-gun" stories in the news. The gun don't give a fuck about its portrayal in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 What happened to this topic damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashikage Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Okay perhaps I didn't choose my words correctly when I started this topic. I meant to say that it's nice to see news that isn't condemning firearms as instruments of death or "Satan's Steely Incarnate." And when I asked what you thought of the article, I basically meant to ask what you thought of the article, not what you thought of the article in regards to firearms. This man was a good resourceful person, and I believe had he not had his gun, those children could have drowned trapped in that car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 What happened to this topic damn ikd man i jus idk shits crazy goddamn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Okay perhaps I didn't choose my words correctly when I started this topic. I meant to say that it's nice to see news that isn't condemning firearms as instruments of death or "Satan's Steely Incarnate." And when I asked what you thought of the article, I basically meant to ask what you thought of the article, not what you thought of the article in regards to firearms. This man was a good resourceful person, and I believe had he not had his gun, those children could have drowned trapped in that car. But following up a statement about the article being pro-gun with a call for opinions basically asks for an opinion on those that you formed previously. It's not like the only parts of a post anyone can comment on are restricted to the last handful of words. And again, I still think it's stupid that people are so relieved to see news that "isn't condemning firearms as instruments of death" when first off that's kind of what guns are usually for and secondly, the gun still doesn't give a shit what people think of it. Yes, I do believe the cop was a good resourceful person, and I've said that before. It's not every day you see something like that rescue unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashikage Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 But following up a statement about the article being pro-gun with a call for opinions basically asks for an opinion on those that you formed previously. That's not how I see it though, how I saw my post was, I stated my opinion, and I asked for other opinions on that article. I did not think it would escalate to this scale. It's not like the only parts of a post anyone can comment on are restricted to the last handful of words. Then how come you restricted your comment to the last handful of words I said? I'm genuinely confused here, you are telling me that I was asking what you guys thought of the article being pro gun, when in reality I asked what you thought of the article. And then you're telling me that you should be able to comment on the article, not just it being pro gun, to which, nobody's stopping you. That was kind of what I asked for. Forgive me if I misunderstand, but I don't think I have. And again, I still think it's stupid that people are so relieved to see news that "isn't condemning firearms as instruments of death" when first off that's kind of what guns are usually for and secondly, the gun still doesn't give a shit what people think of it. However, I on the other hand don't see what's so stupid about it. To every debate, there's someone who is ambivalent, the more articles and news stories we get about some lame brained moron who doesn't use proper safety procedures, or some homicidal psychopath who goes on a shooting spree in a crowded department store gives guns a bad name, not just the people. Every time this happens, it gives these politicians an excuse to infringe on our second amendment. The truth is, would you rather fend off an AK47 with a handgun, or fend off a handgun with a pencil? I fully support our second amendment, and it saddens me to see people use it improperly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Alright, topic served its purpose, take it to the debate forum if you wish to continue the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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